Veterans Cemetery coming to Irvine

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zubs said:
If any of you go to this meeting, please take pix and upload it here.  It would be interesting to see how many people show up.
I predict more pro-cemetery folx cause retired people ain't got shit to do.
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would be nice to see the vet supporters on one side and then GP home residents on the other. 

Ching Chong Chang!

AMERICA!!! AMERICA!!!
 
eyephone said:
SoCal said:
Happiness said:
It's too bad Wally George isn't around anymore.  This town hall meeting would have been perfect on Hot Seat.  Do any of you old timers remember the debate on Hot Seat between Tom Metzger (grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan) and Irv Rubin (president of the Jewish Defense League)?  That was epic.  They jumped on each other and tore down the entire set of the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW-6Xis-81o

watch
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Yes, or the famous chair-throwing incident on Geraldo Rivera. Black dude vs. Skinheads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1KT1QoSCT8
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The Chinese may be passive aggressive by nature (per IHS). But Americans... not as much. This, however, isn't so passive. Add a little flagrant disregard for our Vets - or a lot - and you are inviting trouble. You're almost begging for it. Honestly, this was not well thought-out by those who planned it.
 
jmoney74 said:
zubs said:
If any of you go to this meeting, please take pix and upload it here.  It would be interesting to see how many people show up.
I predict more pro-cemetery folx cause retired people ain't got shit to do.
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would be nice to see the vet supporters on one side and then GP home residents on the other. 

Ching Chong Chang!

AMERICA!!! AMERICA!!!
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I predict there will a lot of shouting, finger pointing, name calling
 
eyephone said:
jmoney74 said:
zubs said:
If any of you go to this meeting, please take pix and upload it here.  It would be interesting to see how many people show up.
I predict more pro-cemetery folx cause retired people ain't got shit to do.
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would be nice to see the vet supporters on one side and then GP home residents on the other. 

Ching Chong Chang!

AMERICA!!! AMERICA!!!
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I predict there will a lot of shouting, finger pointing, name calling
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They've already managed to piss off other Asians. So, one might expect to see the American side look a bit more like the other than first imagined. I noticed these comments written by two Asian Americans on the OCVMP page: Petite Cherie is a Public Relations Executive and Andy Nguyen is a Veteran.

Petite Cherie says: "As an Asian American, I am insulted that the petitioners are using our community to place the blame on. This is misrepresentation of our culture and people. I am embarrassed that there are SOME Asians that feel this way and use our culture as a weapon. I am in support of establishing a Veterans Cemetery and it is a huge part of the Asian culture to show gratitude to those who sacrificed for us. I thank all the veterans, especially Vietnam Veterans for saving my family. Please don't think that this petition reflects the thoughts of all Asians!"

Andy Nguyen says: "I'm Asian. I'm American. And most of all, I'm an Air Force Veteran, and I will shove point number 2 into the mouth of the politician(s) that it came out of. Out!" (He is referring to point #2 on the petition.)
 
5P should be taking the laboring oar in providing an alternative site for the cemetery, if that's what 5P wants, since they were the ones who sold PP without telling buyers a cemetery was a possibility.
 
US Vets have done a great job of defending other people's freedom also.  If not for US vets, all of Korea, not just the North half, would be living under the maniac Kim Jong Un.  If not for US vets, free and democratic Taiwan ROC would have been "liberated" by Red China decades ago.  So, yes, SoCal, many people in Asia appreciate US Vets.
 
Happiness said:
US Vets have done a great job of defending other people's freedom also.  If not for US vets, all of Korea, not just the North half, would be living under the maniac Kim Jong Un.  If not for US vets, free and democratic Taiwan ROC would have been "liberated" by Red China decades ago.  So, yes, SoCal, many people in Asia appreciate US Vets.
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Well..that's a little simplistic...US had a lot of self-interested in mind in "protecting" Taiwan.
 
Can the cemetery be built along the southern edges of the base?
Why not move it south?

It looks like there is a train station down there...would be nice.

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So if it's moved to an area near a train, the ectoplasm leeching out is then not going to be strong enought to make the 1/2 mile journey to everyone's home in the GP? It's not OK in my back yard, but it is ok a 1/2 mile away, just as long as it's not visible? Not understanding quite when / how this ends. 
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
So if it's moved to an area near a train, the ectoplasm leeching out is then not going to be strong enought to make the 1/2 mile journey to everyone's home in the GP? It's not OK in my back yard, but it is ok a 1/2 mile away, just as long as it's not visible? Not understanding quite when / how this ends. 
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NIMBY is annoying but it's also the residents' right to voice their opinion.  So far, nothing the "move the cemetery please" group has done has been wrong or illegal. People may not agree with them and that's ok too.  What is more annoying than NIMBY-ism is when people who don't live in GP start saying things like... "i wouldn't object to a cemetery being built in my neighborhood".  Well, that's great.  Those people can support THAT cemetery if and when it comes into their backyard. 
 
bones said:
Soylent Green Is People said:
So if it's moved to an area near a train, the ectoplasm leeching out is then not going to be strong enought to make the 1/2 mile journey to everyone's home in the GP? It's not OK in my back yard, but it is ok a 1/2 mile away, just as long as it's not visible? Not understanding quite when / how this ends. 
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NIMBY is annoying but it's also the residents' right to voice their opinion.  So far, nothing the "move the cemetery please" group has done has been wrong or illegal. People may not agree with them and that's ok too.  What is more annoying than NIMBY-ism is when people who don't live in GP start saying things like... "i wouldn't object to a cemetery being built in my neighborhood".  Well, that's great.  Those people can support THAT cemetery if and when it comes into their backyard.
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I don't have a problem with NIMBY as long as people are honest about it.  None of these "toxic leakage" or "traffic" concern...people don't want a cemetery in their neighborhood.  Understandable and reasonable...but not very politically sound.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
bones said:
Soylent Green Is People said:
So if it's moved to an area near a train, the ectoplasm leeching out is then not going to be strong enought to make the 1/2 mile journey to everyone's home in the GP? It's not OK in my back yard, but it is ok a 1/2 mile away, just as long as it's not visible? Not understanding quite when / how this ends. 
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NIMBY is annoying but it's also the residents' right to voice their opinion.  So far, nothing the "move the cemetery please" group has done has been wrong or illegal. People may not agree with them and that's ok too.  What is more annoying than NIMBY-ism is when people who don't live in GP start saying things like... "i wouldn't object to a cemetery being built in my neighborhood".  Well, that's great.  Those people can support THAT cemetery if and when it comes into their backyard.
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I don't have a problem with NIMBY as long as people are honest about it.  None of these "toxic leakage" or "traffic" concern...people don't want a cemetery in their neighborhood.  Understandable and reasonable...but not very politically sound.
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I think most people on this board who are against putting the cemetery in the proposed location are honest about it.  Some fear the dead.  Some fear how it affects resale values.  Some fear added traffic.  All these arguments lead back to the overall NIMBY umbrella.
 
Just wanted some clarification, which neighborhoods will the cemetery have the biggest impact (home value)? Based on the map I'm guessing Beacon Park and Pavillion park only?
 
OC troll said:
Just wanted some clarification, which neighborhoods will the cemetery have the biggest impact (home value)? Based on the map I'm guessing Beacon Park and Pavillion park only?
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No.  If i'm reading the map correctly, the future neighborhoods will be the closest - neighborhood 4 (or maybe it's 5) is adjacent to it on the same side of the street and neighborhood 5 (or maybe it's 4) is across Irvine Blvd.
 
OC troll said:
Just wanted some clarification, which neighborhoods will the cemetery have the biggest impact (home value)? Based on the map I'm guessing Beacon Park and Pavillion park only?
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Go to the meeting and find out ;)
 
The veterans get their cemetery in the Great Park, and the residents get it moved 0.5 mile further south.  Not the optimal solution, but a better one than the current location.  Or is that area Broadcom's new offices?

Let's say every 0.1 miles the grave yard is away from a property, that property goes up 1%....That's a shitload of money...
 
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