University of California

[Mety]

Since we already mandate shots, just adding another one is not a big deal.
Your argument is against mandating the covid 19 shot, but we already mandate so many other ones.

What's the difference if we add another one?

I'm not arguing anything to be honest. I'm only QUESTIONING if you're ok with those who don't get vaccinated being unqualified to go to school.

If you ask me what the difference is with those already existing lists and the covid vaccine, I think there are many differences in terms of what type of diseases they are. I mean, why not mandate influenza shots then? So many kids get it from schools, right?

I thought COVID19 is worse than Influenza by I dunno 5X?
So since it kills more than influenza, it should be mandated.

To be more accurate, influenza has higher death rate than Covid-19. We had more Covid-19 cases thus more deaths occurred, but strictly speaking of percentage rates, Influenza has higher death rate. Covid is about 1.6% while influenza about 7% in general.

I guess you're saying you're ok with kids not being able to go to school if they're unvaccinated.

 

[Mety]

Yeah, most of those are shots you get when you're 3-4 years old. You think the Covid shot should be added to that list? And what about your answer on those who don't get covid shots? They can't go to schools?

Currently, there's no mandate for 12-17 year olds yet, so high school students can still go to school, but there are universities that will dismiss students who refuse to get COVID vaccine. I'm pretty sure UC and Cal State schools are following the mandate and don't let unvaccinated students on campus.

I see. Didn't California just make it mandate for K-12 to be vaccinated?

 

[Ready2Downsize]

Because lets face it..this is not much of a "vaccine", is it?  When I got my Polio shot, I never got polio.  When I got my Measles shot...I never got Measles, and neither did anyone else.  This doesn't seem to do that...It seems more of a treatment then a vaccine. 

I don't understand your line of thinking. The reason for you to get the polio shot is to help prevent you from getting polio. Same thing with measles. So you got those shots and you didn't get polio or measles, then the vaccines did their job. Then why aren't they called vaccines?

Correct, people get a "vaccine" and they don't get the disease.  My family, for example, some got the "vaccine"  and some did not but vaccinated or not...everyone got Covid.  The vaccine did not stop anything.  That seems to be quite comon now.  Those other Vaccines prevented anyone who got one from getting infected...these don't. It shouldn't be called a "vaccine"...its a treatment.

It's not a treatment. A treatment, treats the disease after the fact, like the pill Merck wants approval for.

It does seem to lessen disease severity (but really who knows what any one person's symptoms and outcome would be without the vaccine?). So that is something but people still die double vaxxed.

 

[nosuchreality]

Mety, that?s just wrong.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Since we already mandate shots, just adding another one is not a big deal.
Your argument is against mandating the covid 19 shot, but we already mandate so many other ones.

What's the difference if we add another one?

I'm not arguing anything to be honest. I'm only QUESTIONING if you're ok with those who don't get vaccinated being unqualified to go to school.

If you ask me what the difference is with those already existing lists and the covid vaccine, I think there are many differences in terms of what type of diseases they are. I mean, why not mandate influenza shots then? So many kids get it from schools, right?

I thought COVID19 is worse than Influenza by I dunno 5X?
So since it kills more than influenza, it should be mandated.

To be more accurate, influenza has higher death rate than Covid-19. We had more Covid-19 cases thus more deaths occurred, but strictly speaking of percentage rates, Influenza has higher death rate. Covid is about 1.6% while influenza about 7% in general.

I guess you're saying you're ok with kids not being able to go to school if they're unvaccinated.

 

[zubs]

I wanna know where Mety got the idea influenza kills more than covid 19.  LOL


It's just the flu bro!!!!!!

 

[morekaos]

I don?t know if you guys get out of your bubble much but I?ve been as far north as Thousand Oaks and south into San Diego, I?ve been to football games, baseball games, in bars. I went to an Oktoberfest in Encinitas that had thousands of people at it and had two beer gardens with hundreds of people in them. Had a beer and brot with my 91-year-old mother and I only counted two masks. One of the kids sitting near me apologize for wearing it because he was on duty. No one seems to be paying much attention to the stuff anymore as far as mask mandates are concerned.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Spinning a screw up. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-01/coronacheck-martin-foley-vaccination-gaffe/100504420

? A spokeswoman for Mr Foley confirmed to Fact Check, however, that 78 per cent of those in hospital were unvaccinated, while 17 per cent had received just one dose. That means a mere 5 per cent of hospitalised COVID-19 patients in Victoria were double-jabbed.?

It?s 95% none or only one jab.  Just like every where else, the unvaccinated are vast majority in the hospitals.

Well the numbers coming in make the message about vaccine effectiveness all the muddier....

Victoria Australia Records 867 New COVID Cases, 375 in Hospital and 95% of Those Hospitalized are Vaccinated
September 28, 2021

Health Minister Foley announced 867 new COVID cases recorded yesterday.  During the statistical outline Foley identifies 375 people as hospitalized, 81 people in intensive care and 61 people on a ventilator.  Then comes the statistic everyone in government and media ignore.  Amid the recorded cases ?78% of the hospital cases are fully vaccinated, and 17% are partially vaccinated (1 dose)??.
That means 95% of the COVID patients in Victoria hospitals are vaccinated.

356 people out of 375 patients are vaccinated, yet 81 people are still in intensive care with 61 on a ventilator.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/28/truth-being-ignored-victoria-australia-records-867-new-covid-cases-375-in-hospital-and-95-of-those-hospitalized-are-vaccinated/

morekaos won't respond to this. He wears anti-vax colored glasses... or he will respond with "virus gonna virus".

 

[morekaos]

?sure I will. Like politics?I don?t believe anyone?there are no reliable sources any more. All sides lie so I depend on no one. It?s why this whole thing confuses everyone.  Kaos is the only truth.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

?sure I will. Like politics?I don?t believe anyone?there are no reliable sources any more. All sides lie so I depend on no one. It?s why this whole thing confuses everyone.  Kaos is the only truth.

Keep dancing. All your alternative facts are piling up.

 

[morekaos]

?sure I will. Like politics?I don?t believe anyone?there are no reliable sources any more. All sides lie so I depend on no one. It?s why this whole thing confuses everyone.  Kaos is the only truth.

Keep dancing. All your alternative facts are piling up.

My exact point?there are no facts. Too many diametrically opposite angles?too much data. The internet has flooded the field and all opinions are covered in mud. I?ll go with my current reality. Natural immunity and pretty much everything outside of LA open for biz.  Live life, come out of the hole. We did.

 

[nosuchreality]

Body bags going to pile up.

 

[morekaos]

Nah? unless they change how they define death by or with?.again.

 

[fatduck]

"all sides lie so i get my news from theconversativetreehouse.com"

makes sense

 

[morekaos]

I quote from all sides, you?ll find cnn, msnbc and vox in my posts?they ALL lie. Think for yourself.

 

[Mety]

You're right. Thanks for proving me wrong. I counted hospitalization instead of estimated symptomatic illnesses. Calculated again and Influenza death rates have been less than 0.1%. I admit I miscalculated here. My apologies.

Mety, that?s just wrong.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Since we already mandate shots, just adding another one is not a big deal.
Your argument is against mandating the covid 19 shot, but we already mandate so many other ones.

What's the difference if we add another one?

I'm not arguing anything to be honest. I'm only QUESTIONING if you're ok with those who don't get vaccinated being unqualified to go to school.

If you ask me what the difference is with those already existing lists and the covid vaccine, I think there are many differences in terms of what type of diseases they are. I mean, why not mandate influenza shots then? So many kids get it from schools, right?

I thought COVID19 is worse than Influenza by I dunno 5X?
So since it kills more than influenza, it should be mandated.

To be more accurate, influenza has higher death rate than Covid-19. We had more Covid-19 cases thus more deaths occurred, but strictly speaking of percentage rates, Influenza has higher death rate. Covid is about 1.6% while influenza about 7% in general.

I guess you're saying you're ok with kids not being able to go to school if they're unvaccinated.

 

[CalBears96]

I quote from all sides, you?ll find cnn, msnbc and vox in my posts?they ALL lie. Think for yourself.

Nah, you only quote from conservative sites that use misinformation. I've never seen you mention some facts that are close to home. Like hospitals in Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, and other states with low vaccination rate, are filled with COVID patients of whom 95% are unvaccinated.

 

[morekaos]

And who are you citing? Each side seems to have their own ?facts?

 

[nosuchreality]

And who are you citing? Each side seems to have their own ?facts?

You mean like the horribly liberal biased Republican governor Little of Idaho?  He?s the publishing Idaho stats saying the hospitals are full of unvaccinated?

The liberal wackadoodle Republican Governor of Alabama Ivey who said back in July it?s time to start blaming the unvaccinated?

Or pretty much any other Red State that publishes data which shows the same thing?

 

[zubs]

You're right. Thanks for proving me wrong. I counted hospitalization instead of estimated symptomatic illnesses. Calculated again and Influenza death rates have been less than 0.1%. I admit I miscalculated here. My apologies.

Mety, that?s just wrong.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Since we already mandate shots, just adding another one is not a big deal.
Your argument is against mandating the covid 19 shot, but we already mandate so many other ones.

What's the difference if we add another one?

I'm not arguing anything to be honest. I'm only QUESTIONING if you're ok with those who don't get vaccinated being unqualified to go to school.

If you ask me what the difference is with those already existing lists and the covid vaccine, I think there are many differences in terms of what type of diseases they are. I mean, why not mandate influenza shots then? So many kids get it from schools, right?

I thought COVID19 is worse than Influenza by I dunno 5X?
So since it kills more than influenza, it should be mandated.

To be more accurate, influenza has higher death rate than Covid-19. We had more Covid-19 cases thus more deaths occurred, but strictly speaking of percentage rates, Influenza has higher death rate. Covid is about 1.6% while influenza about 7% in general.

I guess you're saying you're ok with kids not being able to go to school if they're unvaccinated.

Are you changing your vote to pro mandate now?

 

[CalBears96]

And who are you citing? Each side seems to have their own ?facts?

You mean like the horribly liberal biased Republican governor Little of Idaho?  He?s the publishing Idaho stats saying the hospitals are full of unvaccinated?

The liberal wackadoodle Republican Governor of Alabama Ivey who said back in July it?s time to start blaming the unvaccinated?

Or pretty much any other Red State that publishes data which shows the same thing?

Exactly, there's REAL facts. And then there's morekaos's alternative "facts".