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So yes, professors are underpaid.
They also get "other pay", which exceeds $1M. It could be research funding. Either way, it says their total pay is more than $1M.
Its a piece of cake if your tenured. I remember talking to a part time professor that taught multiple classes and he had to teach at a community college. I am guessing for more $? Idk (He was well liked by the students. There was always a line after class to talk to the professor. in my opinion there is kind of school politics to get a kush professor job.) I know another person who has a PHD, and he doesnt teach. I think he just consults.
Salary schedules for school districts are public records.
Certificates teachers in IUSD.https://iusd.org/sites/default/files/documents/2021-certsal_ce.pdf
Link to basically all others.https://iusd.org/about/departments/human-resources/salary-schedules-employee-agreements
Super Max Salary
Teacher ? $118,184 (75 units + 27 years + Master?s/Doctorate Degree)
Again keep in mind this is for working 9 months out of the year, with summer/winter/spring breaks, all public holidays off, done by 3 pm, 1 hour lunch + recess, minimum days on wednesday, full benefits and a pension for life until you die.
You make it sound like once the classes are over, they're done. Like they don't need to grade homework, quizzes, exams, etc? Or they don't need to prepare for lectures? The ones at IUSD probably need to prepare the curriculum for the year during the breaks.
I think the "other pay" are perks and probably research grants or funding. I looked at the list of professors and they all seem to have "other pay", so I don't think it's coming from start-ups.
sleepy5136
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So in engineering, those numbers for professors are not that attractive. You can make millions a year in big tech if you're a distinguished engineer which is equivalent to a prof. So having base salary of 200-300k is nothing relative to industry. Might not be considered "underpaid" to the average joe, but it is in their field as there aren't a lot of them to begin with. Not everyone wants to be in school for that long.zovall said:
So yes, professors are underpaid.
CalBears96
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sleepy5136 said:
They also get "other pay", which exceeds $1M. It could be research funding. Either way, it says their total pay is more than $1M.
zovall said:WTTCHMN said:
Also, there is a large amount of discretion on how their grants, etc are used. I'd definitely have considered the academia route if I knew then what I know now.
Its a piece of cake if your tenured. I remember talking to a part time professor that taught multiple classes and he had to teach at a community college. I am guessing for more $? Idk (He was well liked by the students. There was always a line after class to talk to the professor. in my opinion there is kind of school politics to get a kush professor job.) I know another person who has a PHD, and he doesnt teach. I think he just consults.
nosuchreality
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zovall said:
Salary schedules for school districts are public records.
Certificates teachers in IUSD.https://iusd.org/sites/default/files/documents/2021-certsal_ce.pdf
Link to basically all others.https://iusd.org/about/departments/human-resources/salary-schedules-employee-agreements
nosuchreality said:
Super Max Salary
Teacher ? $118,184 (75 units + 27 years + Master?s/Doctorate Degree)
Again keep in mind this is for working 9 months out of the year, with summer/winter/spring breaks, all public holidays off, done by 3 pm, 1 hour lunch + recess, minimum days on wednesday, full benefits and a pension for life until you die.
CalBears96
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WTTCHMN said:
You make it sound like once the classes are over, they're done. Like they don't need to grade homework, quizzes, exams, etc? Or they don't need to prepare for lectures? The ones at IUSD probably need to prepare the curriculum for the year during the breaks.
sleepy5136
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lol I would love to see a teacher hear this comment. I remember my teacher(s) always complaining how much work it is to be a teacher. Budget cuts here and there that leads to buying things out of your own pocket. You don't reuse the same curriculum forever. Sure, majority or some parts of it can be reused. What about dealing with parents that don't know how to parent or deal with their kids? Grading is only part of it, the crappy part that teachers hate the most is dealing with parents that insist their parenting skills are not the issue and instead blame the teachers. Your comment exactly shows how lots of teachers are always under-appreciated for what they do. There is also training that teachers need to do as well in order to obtain higher pay on their end.WTTCHMN said:
what a load.
except the working 80hr/wk in order to be competitive on the research front. except that you also work all the breaks and during the summer to do the research.
And, you have to be amongst the best in your field even to land the job, and then you start at the state guideline rate ($100k?), and have to raise the rest by securing grants for your 'summer salary'
except the working 80hr/wk in order to be competitive on the research front. except that you also work all the breaks and during the summer to do the research.
And, you have to be amongst the best in your field even to land the job, and then you start at the state guideline rate ($100k?), and have to raise the rest by securing grants for your 'summer salary'
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CalBears96
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freedomcm said:
I think the "other pay" are perks and probably research grants or funding. I looked at the list of professors and they all seem to have "other pay", so I don't think it's coming from start-ups.
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This is actually becoming the norm...we are taking up a motion to hire private security in our area paid for by the residents...thanks Mayor Garcia and Gov. Nuisance for making California such a friendly place...for criminals and vagrants....We're #1!!!
San Francisco residents are hiring private security to patrol their streets in bid to stay safe, amid crime spike that has left many fearful of going outside during the DAY
More than 150 families have hired private patrol officers to monitor their San Francisco neighborhoods as the city see a rash in property crimes
Marina District resident Katie Lyons, who is among those who hired patrol, says she and her neighbors 'don't feel safe'
She shared that she doesn't walk alone at night, and is now growing increasingly worried about her safety even during daylight hours
Officer Alan Byard, who was hired to patrol the area, says his client base has nearly doubled amid the city's crime surge and coronavirus outbreak
Byard was hired after repeated instances of car break-ins and home burglaries
Over 15,000 auto burglaries have been reported in San Francisco this year, but 2021 is on track to fall below the nearly 26,000 auto burglaries reported in 2019
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10128485/San-Francisco-families-hiring-PRIVATE-SECURITY-patrol-streets-amid-crime-spike.html
San Francisco residents are hiring private security to patrol their streets in bid to stay safe, amid crime spike that has left many fearful of going outside during the DAY
More than 150 families have hired private patrol officers to monitor their San Francisco neighborhoods as the city see a rash in property crimes
Marina District resident Katie Lyons, who is among those who hired patrol, says she and her neighbors 'don't feel safe'
She shared that she doesn't walk alone at night, and is now growing increasingly worried about her safety even during daylight hours
Officer Alan Byard, who was hired to patrol the area, says his client base has nearly doubled amid the city's crime surge and coronavirus outbreak
Byard was hired after repeated instances of car break-ins and home burglaries
Over 15,000 auto burglaries have been reported in San Francisco this year, but 2021 is on track to fall below the nearly 26,000 auto burglaries reported in 2019
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10128485/San-Francisco-families-hiring-PRIVATE-SECURITY-patrol-streets-amid-crime-spike.html