The truth: Im not sure where this belongs but Im going to start here...

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<blockquote> let me guess nancybotwin's response to this - "why should i move, he is the sex offender" as if her right to live there is greater than the sex offender's - just another case of NIMBY. Like i said, i wouldnt want them near me either, but they have to live somewhere.</blockquote>


Let me guess NIMBY = Not in my backyard? Nice attitude, so lets round them all up and put them near your kids school and in your neighborhood and see how long your snark lasts then. Sound good?
 
[quote author="alan" date=1223071026]I'll bet most of the sex offenders are just kids.</blockquote>


Wrong. They are all ages, ethnicities, religions, etc., and both male and female. They aren't just horny 18 year old boys who want to get it on with their 16 year old girlfriends.



As far as I'm concerned, they should be castrated and thrown out into the desert to die a painful death. They are <strong>never</strong> cured, even if they undergo therapy in prison.



I'm sorry you found this out about your neighborhood, Nancy. I would be worried, too.
 
EvaLSeraphim:



I read the link you provided and I don't understand how that will make Nancy or anyone else feel better. It says:



"Does this law apply to all sex offenders convicted of a sex offense?

No, the law pertains to only those individuals who have been previously convicted of sex offenses listed above, and all other legal and clinical criteria. (...Persons committed as SVP's have been previously convicted of specified sex offenses against one or more victims and determined to have a diagnosed mental disorder that makes it likely that they will engage in sexually violent predatory behavior upon release into the community)



There is no single "cause" of sexual offending; there are many factors that contribute to an offender's pattern of crimes and there are demonstrated treatment approaches that are useful in addressing these factors. The practitioners in this field do not claim to "cure" but rather the treatment strategy is to manage the risk of re-offending."



I would like to see some statistics on just how well this kind of therapy minimizes their odds of re-offending. Also I'm not sure how much that relates specifically to pedophiles as offenders who have committed acts against minors (it seems to be referring to sex offenders in general.)
 
[quote author="Astute Observer" date=1223037187][quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1223033674]As some of you know I am married to bkshpr. He is my husband, my best friend and without a question, the love of my life. We live in Floral Park, In Santa Ana. We moved here from Irvine, probably primarily because I am from LA and because I found Irvine to be such a Stepford type of community.



He is amazing at what he does, without exaggeration he is probably within the top 5 best in the country. I adore him. There is no question there. And he is a much more likable personality wise than I am. I am extremely straight forward, Im not a genius, but he is. I am just a normal person and think the world of my husband. Do not let that be a question. I am of average intelligence but he is extraordinary.



A week ago I did a search for sex offenders in my area and what I found was that there is a motel 4/5 of a mile away from me that housed 5 convicted sex offenders currently under probation for crimes against children under the age of 14. . I want them gone. I spoke to the police who said that they were very happy to have them in the same location, but I do not want them in my area, anywhere that they can cause danger to kids. And i will keep fighting for them to live somewhere else. The policeman said that if someone sneezes in floral park they know if it. And thats fine, but hundreds of children walk home in front of this motel daily and I do not want to see a single one of them dealing with this issue.



I will not under any circumstances apologize for my beliefs here. I do not think its wrong for kids to live in a world where pedophilia is not an issue.



Best



I'm confused as well...I read it twice to make sure I didnt miss anything. I'm happy for you that you love your husband so much, and understand your anger about the pedophiles. BUT...what do they have to do with eachother? ? ?



JK</blockquote>


I am confused.... why you started your discussion with what a wonder fellow your husband is, then go on to issue with pedos in your neighborhood? I think I maybe a bit too analytical at times... ;)</blockquote>
 
SoCal, it was a subtle (perhaps too subtle) suggestion for her to talk to the police about whether any of the people she is concerned with should be subject to that program. It would provide her a way, if it applies, to possibly have them removed from the community.
 
[quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1223054399][quote author="Astute Observer" date=1223037187][quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1223033674]As some of you know I am married to bkshpr. He is my husband, my best friend and without a question, the love of my life. We live in Floral Park, In Santa Ana. We moved here from Irvine, probably primarily because I am from LA and because I found Irvine to be such a Stepford type of community.



He is amazing at what he does, without exaggeration he is probably within the top 5 best in the country. I adore him. There is no question there. And he is a much more likable personality wise than I am. I am extremely straight forward, Im not a genius, but he is. I am just a normal person and think the world of my husband. Do not let that be a question. I am of average intelligence but he is extraordinary.



A week ago I did a search for sex offenders in my area and what I found was that there is a motel 4/5 of a mile away from me that housed 5 convicted sex offenders currently under probation for crimes against children under the age of 14. . I want them gone. I spoke to the police who said that they were very happy to have them in the same location, but I do not want them in my area, anywhere that they can cause danger to kids. And i will keep fighting for them to live somewhere else. The policeman said that if someone sneezes in floral park they know if it. And thats fine, but hundreds of children walk home in front of this motel daily and I do not want to see a single one of them dealing with this issue.



I will not under any circumstances apologize for my beliefs here. I do not think its wrong for kids to live in a world where pedophilia is not an issue.



Best



JK</blockquote>


I am confused.... why you started your discussion with what a wonder fellow your husband is, then go on to issue with pedos in your neighborhood? I think I maybe a bit too analytical at times... ;)</blockquote>


You guys are tough and not really welcoming to people who are new here. But whatever. I started that way because I am just a regular person while I know that BK is well respected in this forum.</blockquote>


Now I get it!!! I was sincerely confused, but being new your explanation makes perfect sense! Nobody's really welcoming here, not even sure why I continue to post soemtimes, but whatever? :)
 
I did a brief anyalysis of my town. Encinitas, Ca. since there are only 8 offenders, as listed on city-data it was quite easy.



8 offenders

avg age= 56

youngest offender= 51.



-so much for the teenagers in love theory.



From what I remember when I took Abnormal psycology in College. Your all correct. pedophiles-specificly are the hardest type of sex offender to reform they are basicly unreformable.



-drowning is a much much much bigger problem for young kids though. So statiscicly speaking there a many more things to worry about.



Nancy I think you should look up the stats on Santa Ana on city-data.



-your fighting a losing battle. totaly.

-crime rates, ethnicitys(which can be tied to crime), education levels, avg income. it does not compare well to many other towns in orange county.



maybe there really is something to the irvine appeal.

I don't think you can have it both ways.



suburbs= boring, but safe.



Urban city scene= diverse, exciting, nightlife etc. but not as safe.
 
<em>Let me guess NIMBY = Not in my backyard? Nice attitude, so lets round them all up and put them near your kids school and in your neighborhood and see how long your snark lasts then. Sound good? </em>



bk's wife or not, you need to chill out.



Most of us are on your side in one way or another.



Sheesh.
 
And just a little food for thought (apparently I can't think <em>straight</em> today)...... ;-)



<em>Some</em> of the sex offenders on your town rosters will be gay males that were arrested having consensual sex back in the day...... So some are just old, horny gay guys.....it was quite illegal back then.....but they were still required to register.



* damn, can't get the link to work ...standby



OK, here is one from So Cal. .....it is unknown how many of the gay men on the registry, never had their names removed.



<a href="http://www.aclunc.org/news/press_releases/individuals_convicted_for_consensual_gay_sex_before_1976_to_be_dropped_from_sex_offender_registry.shtml">ACLU case</a>



<em>Prior to the decriminalization of consensual gay sex in the mid-1970's, a number of men were convicted and placed on California's sex offender registry. The registry was allowed to languish for a number of years. However, with the recent passage of Megan's Law, many of these individuals were contacted by the Department of Justice (DOJ) and told that they, like those convicted of rape and child molestation, must also register as convicted sex offenders and face possible community notification.



"Gay men no longer face the indignity of having to undergo annual registration as sex offenders, forced to submit fingerprints and photographs to the police like common criminals," said Elizabeth Schroeder of the ACLU of Southern California. "They will no longer live in fear that neighbors will shun them by mistakenly lumping gays convicted under out-dated laws with felons convicted of child molestation and rape. This law is long overdue; the state should, on its own, have purged these records more than twenty years ago." </em>
 
Hi Nancy,



I imagine parents like me would agree with your concern for children. I was outraged a couple years back to discover a sexual predator registered in the same Woodbridge condo complex I rent in Irvine. After calming down, I investigated and found the occupant had since moved. I don't know how I would have handled bumping into him at some point if he had not. In response to one of the other posts, I have to wonder what would happen if all felons were registered.



As someone who also tries to think about the other person's viewpoint, I also have to agree people have to live somewhere, even ex-cons. And as we all seem to agree the conflict between these two views grows with the proximity of the registered sex offender.



I've noticed Santa Ana is quite the deal these days while most of Irvine is still out of reach for me. Yet, when I consider the safety of my wife and kids, I feel like I should do what I can to stay here.



Looking to the future, unless more parents take more responsibility for the supervision of their kids (i.e. not allowing such molestation opportunities to exist) we will be looking at programs that educate children about the dangers. Possibly we might expect some sort of handheld device given to kids as part of an alert system not unlike LifeAlert where children are instructed to press a button if they are in danger. How awful that would be. I agree with you that children should not have to live with the knowledge some grownups want to violate them.



ventouxbob - Thanks for shining light on a common misconception. This also suggests TV has a way of stretching truth into falsehood.
 
[quote author="Astute Observer" date=1223077773][quote author="BMP 309" date=1223076391]Now I get it!!! I was sincerely confused, but being new your explanation makes perfect sense! Nobody's really welcoming here, not even sure why I continue to post <strong>soemtimes</strong>, but whatever? :)</blockquote>


To be accepted here, you first ned to work on your speelings, <strong>BMP 309</strong>.</blockquote>


very funny.. I used to care--but then I saw how many spelling errors are in other posts, so I don't lose sleep over it. ;)
 
[quote author="Astute Observer" date=1223077773][quote author="BMP 309" date=1223076391]Now I get it!!! I was sincerely confused, but being new your explanation makes perfect sense! Nobody's really welcoming here, not even sure why I continue to post <strong>soemtimes</strong>, but whatever? :)</blockquote>


To be accepted here, you first ned to work on your speelings, <strong>BMP 309</strong>.</blockquote>


This coming from someone who wrote: "maybe" instead of "may be", and "extend" instead of "extent" in this very thread? come on...
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1223093550]<em>Let me guess NIMBY = Not in my backyard? Nice attitude, so lets round them all up and put them near your kids school and in your neighborhood and see how long your snark lasts then. Sound good? </em>



bk's wife or not, you need to chill out.



Most of us are on your side in one way or another.



Sheesh.</blockquote>


I don't mean to speak for Mrs. BK but that isn't really fair. Her comment was in reply to a person saying she has a NIMBY attitude. We should be thanking Mrs. BK for her care about the safety of the kids in the community instead of getting cocky with her.
 
[quote author="SoCal78" date=1223099392][quote author="Trooper" date=1223093550]<em>Let me guess NIMBY = Not in my backyard? Nice attitude, so lets round them all up and put them near your kids school and in your neighborhood and see how long your snark lasts then. Sound good? </em>



bk's wife or not, you need to chill out.



Most of us are on your side in one way or another.



Sheesh.</blockquote>


I don't mean to speak for Mrs. BK but that isn't really fair. Her comment was in reply to a person saying she has a NIMBY attitude. We should be thanking Mrs. BK for her care about the safety of the kids in the community instead of getting cocky with her.</blockquote>


The truth is it is a NIMBY attitude. It is practically the definition of a NIMBY attitude. For as much as Nimbyism is decried, it is a natural reaction of people not to want to have negatives in their neighborhood. Where to put pedophiles is a problem. Nobody wants it to be <em>their </em>problem. I can empathize with her. I don't want them in my neighborhood either.
 
I don?t disagree with the definition of NIMBY. I think labeling her ?just another case of NIMBY? is rather derogatory, though. Questioning her motives such as her being more ?deserving? of living there than the offenders or telling her "you need to chill out" when she feels strongly about something is uncalled for. Many of us are passionate about various things on these boards and wouldn?t appreciate getting the same attitude. We have to be kinder with each other if we hope to keep the lines of communication open. Thanks for reading.
 
The Hangman

by Maurice Ogden









<>



Into our town the Hangman came, smelling of gold and blood and flame. And he paced our bricks with a diffident air. And built his frame on the courthouse square.



The scaffold stood by the courthouse side, only as wide as the door was wide; a frame as tall, or little more, than the capping sill of the courthouse door.



And we wondered, whenever we had the time, who the criminal, what the crime, that Hangman judged with the yellow twist of knotted hemp in his busy fist.



And innocent though we were, with dread we passed those eyes of buckshot lead; till one cried: "Hangman, who is he for whom you raise the gallows-tree."



Then a twinkle grew in the buckshot eye, and he gave us a riddle instead of reply: "He who serves me best," said he, "Shall earn the rope on the gallows-tree."



And he stepped down, and laid his hand on a man who came from another land and we breathed again, for another's grief at the Hangman's hand was our relief.



And the gallows-frame on the courthouse lawn by tomorrow's sun would be struck and gone. So we gave him way, and no one spoke, out of respect for his hangman's cloak.



<>



The next day's sun looked mildly down on roof and street in our quiet town and, stark and black in the morning air, the gallows-tree on the courthouse square.



And the Hangman stood at his usual stand with the yellow hemp in his busy hand; with his buckshot eye and his jaw like a pike and his air so knowing and businesslike.



And we cried: "Hangman, have you not done, yesterday, with the alien one?" Then we fell silent, and stood amazed: "Oh, not for him was the gallows raised."



He laughed a laugh as he looked at us: "Did you think I'd gone to all this fuss to hang one man? That's a thing I do to stretch the rope when the rope is new."



Then one cried, "Murderer!" One cried, "Shame!" And into our midst the Hangman came to that man's place. "Do you hold," said he, "With him that was meant for the gallows-tree?"



And he laid his hand on that one's arm, and we shrank back in quick alarm, and we gave him way, and no one spoke out of fear of his hangman's cloak.



That night we saw with dread surprise the Hangman's scaffold had grown in size. Fed by the blood beneath the chute the gallows-tree had taken root;



Now as wide, or a little more, than the steps that led to the courthouse door, as tall as the writing, or nearly as tall, halfway up on the courthouse wall.



<>



The third he took ? we had all heard tell ? was a usurer and infidel, And: "What," said the Hangman, "have you to do with the gallows-bound, and he a Jew?"



And we cried out: "Is this one he who has served you well and faithfully?" The Hangman smiled: "It's a clever scheme to try the strength of the gallows-beam."



The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched out comfort hard and long; and "What concern," he gave us back, "Have you for the doomed - the doomed and black?"



The fifth.The sixth. And we cried again: "Hangman, Hangman, is this the man?" "It's a trick," he said, "that we hangmen know for easing the trap when the trap springs slow."



And so we ceased, and asked no more, as the Hangman tallied his bloody score; and sun by sun, and night by night, the gallows grew to monstrous height.



The wings of the scaffold opened wide till they covered the square from side to side; and the monster cross-beam, looking down, cast its shadow across the town.



<>



Then through the town the Hangman came and called in the empty streets my name - and I looked at the gallows soaring tall and thought: "There is no one left at all for hanging, and so he calls to me to help pull down the gallows-tree." And I went out with right good hope to the Hangman's tree and the Hangman's rope.



He smiled at me as I came down to the courthouse square through the silent town, and supple and stretched in his busy hand was the yellow twist of the hempen strand.



And he whistled his tune as he tried the trap and it sprang down with a ready snap? and then with a smile of awful command he laid his hand upon my hand.



"You tricked me, Hangman!" I shouted then. "That your scaffold was built for other men. And I no henchman of yours," I cried, "You lied to me, Hangman, foully lied!"



Then a twinkle grew in his buckshot eye: "Lied to you? Tricked you?" he said, "Not I. For I answered straight and I told you true: The scaffold was raised for none but you.



"For who has served me more faithfully than you with your coward's hope?" said he, "And where are the others that might have stood side by your side in the common good?"



"Dead," I whispered; and amiably "Murdered," the Hangman corrected me; "First the alien, then the Jew... I did no more than you let me do."



Beneath the beam that blocked the sky, none had stood so alone as I - and the Hangman strapped me, and no voice there cried "Stay" for me in the empty square.
 
<a href="http://www.apa.org/monitor/2008/09/jn.html">This</a> is a good place to start reading about the subject. It's easy to look into a database and pretend that my exiling convicted offenders from society the problem just goes away. The truth of the matter is that abuse occurs more often within peers and members of the immediate family than with predatory strangers. It's ironic how much Obama got criticized for addressing this very issue by educating children on acceptable interactions with people.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1223093550]<em>Let me guess NIMBY = Not in my backyard? Nice attitude, so lets round them all up and put them near your kids school and in your neighborhood and see how long your snark lasts then. Sound good? </em>



bk's wife or not, you need to chill out.



Most of us are on your side in one way or another.



Sheesh.</blockquote>






get over yourself
 
<blockquote> let me guess nancybotwin?s response to this - ?why should i move, he is the sex offender? as if her right to live there is greater than the sex offender?s - just another case of NIMBY. Like i said, i wouldnt want them near me either, but they have to live somewhere. </blockquote>


My response to Qwertys post was based on the condescending tone. Nothing more nothing less.
 
[quote author="NancyBotwin" date=1223111507]<blockquote> let me guess nancybotwin?s response to this - ?why should i move, he is the sex offender? as if her right to live there is greater than the sex offender?s - just another case of NIMBY. Like i said, i wouldnt want them near me either, but they have to live somewhere. </blockquote>


My response to Qwertys post was based on the condescending tone. Nothing more nothing less.</blockquote>




Nancy your making friends in spades here. The thing that I always liked about this blog was the level of professionalism and respect. I do go a bit overboard my self but it is generally directed at some one else.ie. palin or some scoundrel politician.



There are very few trolls here.
 
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