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Are you sure?
Even the sycophants are staying away from this dip$hitery. DeSantis distanced himself from Trump on this! Imagine that. He won't do much more than that though, which is already a bridge too far for him. Otherwise, he'll receive the wrath of Breitbart crowd, and maybe even Trump.
Liar Loan
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This is another long but comprehensive article about Jim Comey's actions leading up to the election. Many Democrats blame him for Hillary's loss, which I tend to think has some merit. Nobody will ever know for sure.
Despite Comey Assurances, Vast Bulk of Weiner Laptop Emails Were Never Examinedhttps://www.realclearinvestigations...k_of_weiner_laptop_emails_never_examined.html
What this article illustrates is that the FBI team in charge of the Hillary e-mail investigation had no intention of reopening this case. They sat on the discovery of the Wiener laptop for a month, which is why, when Comey was forced to make an announcement, it was only a week before the election.
Agents in the NY field office were threatening to leak discovery of the laptop to the press and a top DOJ official caught wind of it, not only telling the FBI leadership to get their asses in gear, but to notify Congress in writing (ensuring it would leak to the press anyway). Basically, Comey had no choice but to comply by reopening the investigation.... and yet... a thorough and conclusive examination of the e-mails on the laptop never occurred.
Despite Comey's sworn testimony that the FBI forensics team created new technology that could scan 300,000+ e-mails for duplicates in a week, it was not true. None of the e-mails were exact duplicates because Huma had forwarded them to her personal e-mail address. It would require labor intensive scrutiny by actual people to determine the content of the e-mails.
Yet the review they conducted for classified info was a sample of only about 1% of the e-mails on the laptop.
Despite Comey Assurances, Vast Bulk of Weiner Laptop Emails Were Never Examinedhttps://www.realclearinvestigations...k_of_weiner_laptop_emails_never_examined.html
What this article illustrates is that the FBI team in charge of the Hillary e-mail investigation had no intention of reopening this case. They sat on the discovery of the Wiener laptop for a month, which is why, when Comey was forced to make an announcement, it was only a week before the election.
Agents in the NY field office were threatening to leak discovery of the laptop to the press and a top DOJ official caught wind of it, not only telling the FBI leadership to get their asses in gear, but to notify Congress in writing (ensuring it would leak to the press anyway). Basically, Comey had no choice but to comply by reopening the investigation.... and yet... a thorough and conclusive examination of the e-mails on the laptop never occurred.
Despite Comey's sworn testimony that the FBI forensics team created new technology that could scan 300,000+ e-mails for duplicates in a week, it was not true. None of the e-mails were exact duplicates because Huma had forwarded them to her personal e-mail address. It would require labor intensive scrutiny by actual people to determine the content of the e-mails.
Yet the review they conducted for classified info was a sample of only about 1% of the e-mails on the laptop.
Liar Loan
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Gallup chief: Americans have 'dismissed' idea that Trump acted illegally with Russia
http://thehill.com/hilltv/what-amer...ief-americans-have-dismissed-that-trump-acted
TRUMP ? ?3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000...?
this latest tweet is not just Trump being Trump -
The President of the United States just denied the official death toll from Hurricane Maria and blamed it on Democrats.
This is among the lowest statements made by any American president
Yet we know his cult members will buy it hook , line and sinker .
This is what our ?democracy? has deranged down to at this point in times .
But those tax cuts and gorsuch and kavanaugh, boy they are sure worth it !!
this latest tweet is not just Trump being Trump -
The President of the United States just denied the official death toll from Hurricane Maria and blamed it on Democrats.
This is among the lowest statements made by any American president
Yet we know his cult members will buy it hook , line and sinker .
This is what our ?democracy? has deranged down to at this point in times .
But those tax cuts and gorsuch and kavanaugh, boy they are sure worth it !!
nosuchreality
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fortune11 said:
Are you sure?
So every argument boils down to this 
GOP: *throws you down a pit*
DEM: my leg's broken
GOP: I'm sure you have proof. I'll wait
DEM: YOU THREW ME DOWN A PIT
GOP: so sick of people always bringing up pits
DEM: YOU THREW ME DOWN ONE
GOP: wow victim card much
DEM: A PIT
GOP: that talk's exactly why you got thrown down a pit
GOP: *throws you down a pit*
DEM: my leg's broken
GOP: I'm sure you have proof. I'll wait
DEM: YOU THREW ME DOWN A PIT
GOP: so sick of people always bringing up pits
DEM: YOU THREW ME DOWN ONE
GOP: wow victim card much
DEM: A PIT
GOP: that talk's exactly why you got thrown down a pit
Perspective
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fortune11 said:
Even the sycophants are staying away from this dip$hitery. DeSantis distanced himself from Trump on this! Imagine that. He won't do much more than that though, which is already a bridge too far for him. Otherwise, he'll receive the wrath of Breitbart crowd, and maybe even Trump.
Perspective
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Any chance Reps (Freedom Caucus) vote against welfare for repairing/rebuilding areas affected by Hurricane Florence. Remember, we couldn't afford it for Hurricane Sandy, or so was the argument.
sgip
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Say what you will about The Donald and the tweets - but dig deeper with me please:
As of July 9th, 2018 the "official estimated death toll" from Hurricane Maria was 1,427
http://www.p3.pr.gov/assets/pr-draft-recovery-plan-for-comment-july-9-2018.pdf
( a 14mb file to sift through if there's any interest )
By August 2018, a study commissioned by Puerto Rico through George Washington University reported the number as 2,975 - still an estimate. Note that the deaths "could be attributed directly or indirectly to Hurricane Maria".
https://www.businessinsider.com/hurricane-maria-death-toll-corrected-from-64-to-2975-2018-8
So there are wildly variable numbers that could or could not be verified. The variable numbers are similar to how the 9-11 Attack victims are counted. People list 9-11 dead at "3,000".... but should we also add in those clean up volunteers who are dying now due to dust inhalation? How about people who couldn't get on the NYC subway on 9-11 and get their insulin refills, causing them to die earlier than expected? Note this scenario is part of the calculations being used to come up with Puerto Rico's estimated death toll numbers.
What I hoped would have come out of these investigations?:
Could have any of the deaths been prevented with better preparation?
Were any deaths directly attributed to the initial and ongoing Federal response?
How much of the blame lies with the local and territorial government?
What were conditions like in the months leading up to the hurricane making landfall?
and generate some solutions based on those solid and verifiable facts. These issues aren't discussed because it takes real thinking and doesn't make for easy headlines.
The President is right to challenge these unsubstantiated estimates. It's a fools game, because it will never be a clearly articulated message that will "win" IMHO
My .02c
As of July 9th, 2018 the "official estimated death toll" from Hurricane Maria was 1,427
http://www.p3.pr.gov/assets/pr-draft-recovery-plan-for-comment-july-9-2018.pdf
( a 14mb file to sift through if there's any interest )
By August 2018, a study commissioned by Puerto Rico through George Washington University reported the number as 2,975 - still an estimate. Note that the deaths "could be attributed directly or indirectly to Hurricane Maria".
https://www.businessinsider.com/hurricane-maria-death-toll-corrected-from-64-to-2975-2018-8
So there are wildly variable numbers that could or could not be verified. The variable numbers are similar to how the 9-11 Attack victims are counted. People list 9-11 dead at "3,000".... but should we also add in those clean up volunteers who are dying now due to dust inhalation? How about people who couldn't get on the NYC subway on 9-11 and get their insulin refills, causing them to die earlier than expected? Note this scenario is part of the calculations being used to come up with Puerto Rico's estimated death toll numbers.
What I hoped would have come out of these investigations?:
Could have any of the deaths been prevented with better preparation?
Were any deaths directly attributed to the initial and ongoing Federal response?
How much of the blame lies with the local and territorial government?
What were conditions like in the months leading up to the hurricane making landfall?
and generate some solutions based on those solid and verifiable facts. These issues aren't discussed because it takes real thinking and doesn't make for easy headlines.
The President is right to challenge these unsubstantiated estimates. It's a fools game, because it will never be a clearly articulated message that will "win" IMHO
My .02c
Perspective
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Accepting every criticism above of the estimates of deaths directly and indirectly related to the hurricane, now reconcile that with Trump's tweets on the topic, please.
Perspective
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You're conflating issues. "How many deaths resulted?" is a different question than "Who is responsible for the deaths that occurred?" Trump is disputing the death toll.
Perspective
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For those Trump enthusiasts who feel compelled to defend ("Trumpsplain") Trump, you should read Gaslighting America: Why We Love It When Trump Lies to Us:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062748009/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I highly recommend it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062748009/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I highly recommend it.