The 2020 Presidential Election

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if everyone is so concerned about economic turmoil then what's a measly $25b for a stupid little wall?

surely we lose much more than $25b if we're destroying our international reputation and nobody wants to trade with us anymore.

oh yeah, that's right...rather cut off the nose to spite the face  ;)
 
Kings said:
if everyone is so concerned about economic turmoil then what's a measly $25b for a stupid little wall?

surely we lose much more than $25b if we're destroying our international reputation and nobody wants to trade with us anymore.

oh yeah, that's right...rather cut off the nose to spite the face  ;)
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Ironic that you use that quote in discussions in which Trump imposes tariffs to found a wall.
 
With Cali's primary being moved up to "Super Tuesday", March 2020 rather than June, every pundit is expecting much more canvassing by candidates here in the Golden State - finally.... I might add....

I went to a Bernie rally in 2016 at the Anaheim Convention Center. Pretty interesting time there, not just the speech, but the crown, the energy, etc.  If Candidate X came to OC, would you take a day off to attend a rally? If so, who is your Candidate X?

Full disclosure, I'd see Bernie again. The rest?  ::) not so much. 
 
I think Bernie versus Trump in 2016 was the race we needed.  Now, its a loser IMHO.  I see Trump supporter posts in my social media. To them, scoialism is Venezuela and the USSR not Sweden, Norway, etc.  The there is of course that Trump is closer to Venezuela than he is Sweden.

Then there is the problem, IMHO, the left will have with the dirty secret of Democratic socialism in  places like Sweden.  It isn't that taxes are high, it's that they're relatively flat.  In the USA, you need to make about 8.5x the average income to hit the top bracket.  In Denmark, it's 1.2x, aka top tax bracket would kick in sub $60K. Sweden is 1.5x.
 
Too funny, you knew this was coming...

Stop resisting?: Woman arrested for stabbing Trump baby balloon in London

A Trump supporter fed up with protesters in London demonstrated by stabbing their massive Trump baby balloon.

?I?m going in for it, I?m going,? an unidentified woman said in a video posted Tuesday.

?That?s a disgrace, it?s a national disgrace,? the woman said after she popped the balloon. ?The president of the United States is the best president ever.?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/stop-resisting-woman-arrested-for-stabbing-trump-baby-balloon-in-london
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
With Cali's primary being moved up to "Super Tuesday", March 2020 rather than June, every pundit is expecting much more canvassing by candidates here in the Golden State - finally.... I might add....

I went to a Bernie rally in 2016 at the Anaheim Convention Center. Pretty interesting time there, not just the speech, but the crown, the energy, etc.  If Candidate X came to OC, would you take a day off to attend a rally? If so, who is your Candidate X?

Full disclosure, I'd see Bernie again. The rest?  ::) not so much.
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Andrew Yang!
 
Some times there are not enough rocks...or people to throw them.

London?s Anti-Trump Protests Smaller Than Expected on Damp Day

Protests in London against the state visit of U.S. President Donald Trump were smaller than expected as crowds failed to turn out in the same numbers as last time he visited.

Thousands gathered in central London bearing placards protesting Trump?s policies on minorities, healthcare, climate change and Palestinians. But the crowds on a damp Tuesday failed to rival those on a sunny Friday in July, when organizers estimated some 250,000 took to the streets.

?I heard there were protests; I said, where are the protests?? Trump said at a joint press conference with Prime Minister Theresa May. ?I don?t see any protests. I did see a small protest today when I came. Very small. So a lot of it is fake news.?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-04/london-s-anti-trump-protests-smaller-than-expected-on-damp-day

https://youtu.be/sbqd9ifpe3Y

https://youtu.be/sbqd9ifpe3Y

What happened to the 250,000?  Guess clouds, hate and trying to organize a rally on Facebook aren't enough to get you off your mums couch.
 
update for all you chicken littles a few pages back...WINNING!

US makes deal with Mexico on tariffs, immigration, Trump announces

The U.S. has reached an agreement with Mexico that heads off the start of tariffs on Monday.

The deal, announced by President Trump via tweet on Friday night, is said to include plans to return migrants seeking asylum to Mexico, where they will remain until their claims can be processed.

"I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico. The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended," he said. "Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States. Details of the agreement will be released shortly by the State Department. Thank you!"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-makes-deal-with-mexico-on-tariffs-immigration-trump-announces
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I mean...do Trumpsters even care anymore?  Probably not but hey...those "understandings" were great to resolving problems with North Korea and China!

The Mexican foreign minister says no secret immigration deal exists between Mexico and the US, just hours after President Donald Trump tweeted that a ?fully signed and documented? agreement would be ?be revealed in the not too distant future.?

Marcelo Ebrard, Mexico?s top diplomat, said in a news conference in Mexico City on Monday that there was an understanding that both countries would evaluate the number of migrants crossing the border of Mexico and the United States in the coming months, according to the New York Times. 

If the number is no significantly reduced, Mr Ebrard says, both nations will renew discussions about changes to regional asylum rules. According to American officials, those numbers will be reviewed in 45 days, and again in 90 days.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tter-tariffs-immigration-border-a8952771.html

You might say it?s The Art of the Deal.

First, spark a crisis by threatening harsh consequences if hazy, unspecified demands aren?t met.


Then, torque the suspense as an artificial deadline approaches, while nervous observers warn of the dire consequences of going over the cliff.

And finally, cut a vague, imperfect or constitutionally questionable deal at the last minute, claiming victory and savaging the critics.

This is the pattern, well-worn by now, of President Donald Trump?s negotiations with a host of adversaries, real or perceived ? and it?s getting eerily familiar in Washington.
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In the case of Mexico, Trump didn?t get all he wanted. Mexican negotiators, for instance, would not agree to changes that would make it easier for the United States to turn down asylum-seekers from Central America, though they did assent to allowing some of them to stay in Mexico while their claims are heard in the U.S.

They also agreed to send 6,000 additional troops to their southern border with Guatemala, and they got the U.S. to back off threats to impose a 5 percent tariff on all exports that was set to go into effect Monday.

Those are actions, however, that Mexico has already undertaken, notes Shannon K. O?Neil, senior fellow for Latin America studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, who warned against the tariffs in an op-ed this week. ?So it?s doubling down on what they were doing,? O?Neil told POLITICO, adding that it?s doubtful Mexico has the capacity to meaningfully stem the tide of migration.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/08/trump-trade-deals-mexico-china-1358155
 
whether you guys on the left think it's effective or not, at least trump is trying to do something.

guess who hasn't done anything for years?  congress.  finally we have a leader who is actively trying to work for us to curb illegal immigration, negotiate favorable trade deals, and on and on.

republicans see him as actually making a difference where congress has failed for years - that is why, where you point and laugh or see a big divisive bully, we see a leader who is standing up for us and working to make america even stronger.
 
Kings said:
whether you guys on the left think it's effective or not, at least trump is trying to do something.

guess who hasn't done anything for years?  congress.  finally we have a leader who is actively trying to work for us to curb illegal immigration, negotiate favorable trade deals, and on and on.

republicans see him as actually making a difference where congress has failed for years - that is why, where you point and laugh or see a big divisive bully, we see a leader who is standing up for us and working to make america even stronger.
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Except he has done none of those things while destablizing economies.

I remember the Trumpsters telling me how Trump was going to solve NK and China...how is that going? 

Remember that $1 trillion tax cut that was supposed to take GDP to 4 or 5%?  How is that going...I guess national debt is just a thing for Dem presidents.

We see an emperor with no clothes and you are telling me that nude is the new awesome.

We do not live in a zero-sum world...United States acting as bully just makes everyone else walk away.  It's just stupid.
 
Trump: DO WHAT I SAY OR THERE WILL BE TARIFFS
Mexico:
Trump: I'M WARNING YOU
Mexico:
Trump: THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING
Mexico:
Trump:
Mexico:
Trump:
Mexico:
Trump: ok, just keep on doing what you've been doing
Mexico:
Trump: I WIN! I WIN! I'M THE BEST! THE BEST! EVERYONE SAYS SO
 
JUST DOING THINGS TO SHAKE THINGS UP!

Two accounts, a new book by the Washington Post reporter Anna Fifield and a Wall Street Journal story, report that Kim?s brother Kim Jong Nam was a CIA informant. Kim Jong Nam was killed in a shocking chemical-weapons attack in the Kuala Lumpur airport in February 2017. Trump was asked about the revelation as he left the White House for a trip to Iowa, and his answer was jarring.

?I see that, and I just received a beautiful letter from Kim Jong Un,? Trump said. ?I think the relationship is very well, but I appreciated the letter. I saw the information about the CIA with regard to his brother or half brother, and I would tell him that would not happen under my auspices. I wouldn?t let that happen under my auspices. I just received a beautiful letter from Kim Jong Un.?
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...-north-korea-spying-under-my-auspices/591457/
 
Adventures of the idiot in the White House , part 3,066 ?

?CNN ? President Trump pulls a piece of paper from his jacket he says is one page of a secret agreement with Mexico: "I am going to let Mexico do the announcement at the right time."

The Mexican foreign minister indicated there is no secret or outstanding deal ?
 
Irvinecommuter said:
Kings said:
whether you guys on the left think it's effective or not, at least trump is trying to do something.

guess who hasn't done anything for years?  congress.  finally we have a leader who is actively trying to work for us to curb illegal immigration, negotiate favorable trade deals, and on and on.

republicans see him as actually making a difference where congress has failed for years - that is why, where you point and laugh or see a big divisive bully, we see a leader who is standing up for us and working to make america even stronger.
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Except he has done none of those things while destablizing economies.

I remember the Trumpsters telling me how Trump was going to solve NK and China...how is that going? 

Remember that $1 trillion tax cut that was supposed to take GDP to 4 or 5%?  How is that going...I guess national debt is just a thing for Dem presidents.

We see an emperor with no clothes and you are telling me that nude is the new awesome.

We do not live in a zero-sum world...United States acting as bully just makes everyone else walk away.  It's just stupid.
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you see destabilized economies, we see record low unemployment and record high stock market

you see nk and china unsolved after 2 years of trump in office, we see zero progress with nk and china taking advantage of us over the past 30 years with trump at least making slow progress

you see no effect from the tax cut, we see people paying lower taxes and a booming economy in an otherwise lagging world economy

you see an emperor....we also see an emperor  ;)

btw, still waiting on the rest of the world to turn their back on the us.  trump is throwing his weight around because the rest of the world has been taking advantage of our generosity for years.  finally the american people have a president that is fighting for them!
 
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