speeding, racing car during normal traffic hour 7pm on sand canyon

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Paris said:
Happiness said:
Paris said:
When you drive by the next car accident in Irvine just look at what type of cars are involved and the type of drivers standing outside. It is very rare to see a sports car like Porsche, a sport BMW, sport Audi involved.

The reason most accidents involve non-sports cars is simply because there are more non-sports cars on the road. This is jr. high probability and statistics. The insurance industry keeps a massive database of accidents and the cars involved and this data is incorporated into the price of insurance.  Your insurance agent should be able to give you a pretty accurate picture of the drivers of what type of vehicles are more likely to get into accidents.

Fine happiness, I'll give you that, good point. But sports car enthusiasts in general are usually more focused while driving and very protective of their vehicles on the road (and in parking lots).
Lol. I have seen so many dumbies in their new sports cars loose control and take someone out, nearly take someone out, or just take themself out.  Your logic is laughable and I fully disagree. There might be some that are good drivers, but very rarely, do people who drive a fancier car have any better driving skills as a non-fancy car driver.  I would digress for said drivers who have done a lot of training / practice on tracks, etc, but again, tracks are far more controlled environments vs. standard streets and a person driving like an ahole can and does make it more dangerous for everyone else (yes, even if they are Dale Jr or whomever else....other drivers aren't looking around checking mirrors on a 50 MPH road looking for the car that flies by at 90 or 100. 

Paris - I do think there are some things done in Germany that differ in the US which do account for some of the items. More cost / scrutiny on getting a license would be one area to highlight along with laws against passing on the right side, but I also believe that per capita their are less cars / drivers on the road which potentially skew a lot of the statistics and I don't know if there are good enough stats which truly give you an apples to apples comparison (but again, I don't think it is necessarily the "faster" is "safer").  There probably is a little something to the if you are going really fast you probably are more attentive by nature (or so you'd hope) but there are still just general reaction times, what if scenarios, where the faster you are going the less potential their is to mitigate a wreck, etc. 
 
Ballsack brings up a good point.  Just because someone tries to drive better because the stakes are higher does not mean they will actually succeed. Of course speeders try to drive as carefully as possible, but does that extra effort overcome the inherent danger from the physics of speeding?  Drunk drivers also always try to drive as carefully as possible but does that extra effort overcome the inherent danger from alcohol impairment? Both speeders and drunks try to drive as alert as possible to avoid the law but it doesn't change the fact that both speeding and driving drunk decreases the driver's reaction time.
 
lnc said:
Sports car may handle better, break faster and the driver might be more focus while driving  but a lot of drivers overestimate their talent and underestimate just how quickly things can go wrong. 

Nowadays, these sports car are quite powerful and can be quite a challenge to handle them.  Here's video of M4 lose control just from a simple quick acceleration. 
https://youtu.be/miA5qj5ergM

The tire PSI was off 3.0
 
Like I said before, I do not endorse driving recklessly On the roads, driving 90 on a 50 limit and in general driving like a maniac. Those moves need to be taken to a controlled track. I am not a proponent of street racing. That said my argument is that in general car enthusiasts are better drivers than the regular joe in their minivan with the food, iPhones, Pokemon and other distractions. Often my fellow car enthusiast friends have had track time, high performance driving lessons at places like thermal. If it's your passion you are better at it than the general public. Please don't tell me that these drivers are more of a hazard to the road than the FCB that just got their license yesterday or the 80 year old with cataract in both eyes and yet is miraculously still driving. And the spoilt rich teenager with their luxury sport vehicle trying to "race" on the streets.
Germany does have better drivers because their driving exam is brutal and extremely stringent. Sometimes I don't know how half the people on the road got a driver's license.
 
That's right, don't believe the hype. 
I mean look at Jason Bourne, driving beat up cars outgunning modified Benz sedan and suv ftw
 
AW said:
That's right, don't believe the hype. 
I mean look at Jason Bourne, driving beat up cars outgunning modified Benz sedan and suv ftw

How was the new Bourne movie? Worth seeing in theatres?
 
Happiness said:

Lol, this is funny.  ;D basically 3 articles on the same observational study. Often in medical journals these studies are much Less valued at proving something (unlike RCTs) because you are in an uncontrolled setting and it's flawed with cognitive and selection biases. They also lack a representative sample based on the specific location (Berkley subgroup based on age, social class, race etc is not exactly representative of the rest of the country) and less reliable in establishing cause and effect relationships.
Of course this observational study comes out of socialist Berkley, where they love to stick it to the "haves". lol.
 
MagicJ1zz said:
BMWs may speed real fast, but the car is more than capable of braking on a dime and making quick turns.  At least the speeder is always in full control with full attention as to what he's doing.  The road on sand canyon is in decent condition for speeding and that's why you see 55+mph speed limit and 60mph on irvine blvd.

I have owned Toyotas, Acuras, Nissans, Hondas, and a BMW.  A Toyota Camry doing 80MPH on Sand Canyon is far worse than a BMW 3 series doing 80MPH on Sand Canyon.

Funny, because this BMW driver just died.  Toyota Camry survives.  And it call started near Sand Canyon.  Pictures are gnarly.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bmw-724170-driver-driving.html
 
WTTCHMN said:
MagicJ1zz said:
BMWs may speed real fast, but the car is more than capable of braking on a dime and making quick turns.  At least the speeder is always in full control with full attention as to what he's doing.  The road on sand canyon is in decent condition for speeding and that's why you see 55+mph speed limit and 60mph on irvine blvd.

I have owned Toyotas, Acuras, Nissans, Hondas, and a BMW.  A Toyota Camry doing 80MPH on Sand Canyon is far worse than a BMW 3 series doing 80MPH on Sand Canyon.

Funny, because this BMW driver just died.  Toyota Camry survives.  And it call started near Sand Canyon.  Pictures are gnarly.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bmw-724170-driver-driving.html

Well, that's to be expected if you drive going in the wrong directly on the freeway.  Can't believe he drove that long the wrong way before he hit someone....obviously he was drunk and/or high on something.
 
qwerty said:
Man you guys are really buying that BMW marketing bullshit. Just don't fucking speed!
That is why I have a hybrid... Instead of the MPH, I get my kicks out of the MPG's.  8)
 
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