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@Kings:

Let me ask you from the other side, after hearing his own responses, are you comfortable with Kavanaugh being on the Supreme Court?
 
irvinehomeowner said:
@Kings:

Let me ask you from the other side, after hearing his own responses, are you comfortable with Kavanaugh being on the Supreme Court?
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yes.  i watched the confirmation hearings and he presented himself as an extremely well-read scholar with a level head and a high level understanding of many prominent cases over the years.

it wasn't until the left paraded out these accusers, who have no corroboration in a clear political smear to "stop the nomination at all costs" - their words, that any question about his temperament came to the forefront.

so what about his temperament?  i don't blame kav one bit for his emotional and powerful response after ford's testimony.  let's say he is completely innocent to each and every claim and none of these accusations are true.  i think someone who worked to get to where he is and holds an image as an upstanding citizen would be very offended and even a little emotional if all of the sudden you are being painted as a serial rapist and blackout drunk.

now you tell me, how would you react if your good name was torn down and you were labeled a sex offender, your kids read baseless stories about how you drugged and gang raped women, and you received death threats for political purposes?  wouldn't feel good, would it?

if the fbi investigation comes back with nobody corroborating any of these sexual assault claims, and the presumption of innocence is upheld like we should in this country, would you change your views?
 
now, do we still believe all women?

Kavanaugh accuser has 'psychological' problems, likes group sex, says former Democratic candidate

A former Democratic candidate for Congress has raised new questions about Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh?s accuser Julie Swetnick's credibility by saying she has "psychological" problems.

Dennis Ketterer, a former weatherman for WJLA Channel 7 in Washington, sent a signed statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday claiming that Swetnick had psychological problems and liked to engage in sexual intercourse with more than one male partner at the same time.

Ketterer had a relationship with Swetnick in the early 1990s.

?During a conversation about our sexual preferences, things got derailed when Julie told me that she liked to have sex with more than one guy at a time. In fact sometimes with several at one time,? Ketterer told the committee in a letter. ?She wanted to know if that would be ok in our relationship.?

Ketterer said that Swetnick told him that the first time she engaged in sexual intercourse with multiple men at the same time was in high school.

Swetnick, the third women to come out with accusations against Kavanaugh, alleged that she was gang raped in high school at a party. She said Kavanaugh was present at the party and that she also saw Kavanaugh engaging in aggressive behavior toward girls at these parties. Kavanaugh has denied all allegations of sexual misconduct.

?Julie never said anything about being sexually assaulted, raped, gang-raped or having sex against her will,? Ketterer said. ?She never mentioned Brett Kavanaugh in any capacity.?

He said that when he was running for Congress in 1996 he called Swetnick?s father to try and get back in contact with her to ask for her help with the campaign.

?When I talked to him about possibly bringing [Julie Swetnick] on to help with my campaign, he told me that she had psychological and other problems at the time,? Ketterer said.

Ketterer submitted his statement to the committee under penalty of felony if he is lying.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/kavanaugh-accuser-has-psychological-problems-likes-group-sex-says-former-democratic-candidate
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This is not mutually exclusive to her accusations of Kavanaugh. Her accusations can still be true. Many times, sexual abuse victims are messed up psychologically. Just look at the history of most people who are porn stars - high percentage were sexually abused in the past. Based on this timeline it is indeed plausible that what she said about Kavanaugh could have happened.

I don't know much about her story but this article does nothing for me in terms of moving the needle.

I do like that you deliberately cut out a huge chunk of the article that does not support your narrative though that talks about a letter from someone that corroborates Ford and Swetnick's depiction of Kavanaugh.

The woman, whose name is blacked out in the statement, said she was friends with Kavanaugh?s first accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, and Swetnick in high school.

?The house parties I attended were a common occurrence in the area,? the statement said. ?I know of many instances during these house parties where Brett and Mark would drink excessively and be overly aggressive and verbally abusive towards girls.?

She also said she would witness Kavanaugh, and his friend Mark Judge, inappropriately touch girls and spike drinks at parties.
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Even People Who Like Kavanaugh Are Jumping Ship
Benjamin Wittes offers a detailed and regretful assessment of the nomination.

We are in a political environment in which there are no rules, no norms anymore to violate. There is only power, and the individual judgments of individual senators?facing whatever political pressures they face, calculating political gain however they do it, and consulting their consciences to the extent they have them.

As much as I admire Kavanaugh, my conscience would not permit me to vote for him.

? Benjamin Wittes, Lawfare editor-in-chief and senior fellow at the Brookings Institute describing his assessment of the Kavanaugh confirmation at this point. Wittes describes his long, friendly relationship with Kavanaugh and his neutral feelings about Kavanaugh?s jurisprudence but concludes that he cannot support a nominee who behaved the way Kavanaugh behaved in last week?s hearing.
https://abovethelaw.com/2018/10/even-people-who-like-kavanaugh-are-jumping-ship/
 
@Kings:

I?m not even taking the allegations into consideration.

He is going to be a Supreme Court judge, in my opinion he needs to react better under pressure and duress.

Innocent or not, I?m not confident in who he is... and again, this is just a casual observation.
 
On Benjamin Wittes, from a 2017 Buzzfeed article:

Three months later, in March of the following year, I elaborated on that post. And I wrote a long post identifying seven threats to national security posed by the Trump candidacy, let alone presidency. And that post was entitled, "Trump As National Security Threat."

Sorry, Wittes might say in fact that he likes BK, by words and deeds is no supporter of BK.

The only document that remains important is CBF's 2012 therapists notes - the originals, and nothing more. CBF said in testimony she mentioned BK to her therapist during that session. Odd that the WaPo, who was given a copy of the notes, hasn't leaked out confirmation of this as fact.

As for temperament, when CBF cries, that's called putting on a "brave face", if BK displays a tear it's being "unstable". Anyone put under this level of pressure would respond with righteous anger. I'd be more concerned if they didn't. If you've gone through a nationally spread campaign of condemnation like this, can you really tell me you wouldn't be pissed? Please. I so full I can't take another slice of baloney on this subject.

My .02c
 
Soylent Green Is People said:
On Benjamin Wittes, from a 2017 Buzzfeed article:

Three months later, in March of the following year, I elaborated on that post. And I wrote a long post identifying seven threats to national security posed by the Trump candidacy, let alone presidency. And that post was entitled, "Trump As National Security Threat."

Sorry, Wittes might say "in fact" that he likes BK, by words and deeds is no supporter of BK.

The only document that remains important is CBF's 2012 therapists notes - the originals, and nothing more. CBF said in testimony she mentioned BK to her therapist during that session. Odd that the WaPo, who was given a copy of the notes, hasn't leaked out confirmation of this as fact.

My .02c
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Brookings Institute is liberal propaganda. If you want to follow an objective think tank, try Cato Institute.
 
Happiness said:
Brookings Institute is liberal propaganda. If you want to follow an objective think tank, try Cato Institute.
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You realize the way you are stating this ?fact? and using ?objective ? in the same sentence makes it sound comical , to say the least

And ah yes , who funded and founded Cato ? Miracle ! It is the Koch brothers .

I have nothing against the Koch?s . And having gotten their tax cuts , looks like they may have gotten religion about trump

But let me use this opportunity to expose the scam , esp among some Orange County dyed in the wool Republicans , about the myth and allure of ?libertarianism ? . Sounds pretty nice and cool at parties and barbecues right ? What could be wrong w ?liberty ? and ?leave me alone? ?

Bulls***

What libertarians want is all of the benefits of civilization and none of the responsibilities. Libertarians are simply conservatives boiled down to "I got mine, so F you."

Look here ? Libertarianism ONLY works if you have large swaths of unclaimed territory. The disaffected can wander off into the mountains far from civilization, build a cabin, hunt for food, dump in a hole, and murder the indigenous people and invaders with impunity.

Free from the burden of having to be civilized, free from government, free from taxes and other social obligations, free from law and regulation, free from security, free from any neighbors.

But while that idea appeals to those who buy whole-hog into the legend of the American Mountain Man and the idea of Manifest Destiny, the truth of the matter is that in a world of 8 billion people , that time is long gone.

Eight Billion people cannot live together without civilization -- and even then, it's a dicey thing.

The fundamental flaw of libertarianism is that it always begins with "if people would just..."

Guess what?

They won't just. They won't. Will not.

I get the appeal of libertarianism, I do. But until there are empty worlds to conquer and an easy way to get there, or until the fundamental nature of humanity changes, libertarianism is utterly non-viable beyond a single selfish individual in the world we live in.

The likes of Cato have faith that business will always do good and therefore needs no regulation or checks whatsoever ? But how many depressions/recessions, deaths, lawsuits, Ponzi schemes, bankruptcies do we have to have before we learn?  The system we have is socialism for the super rich, and rugged individualism for the poor
 
I subscribed to Reason magazine for a few years. I realized it was time to cancel the subscription when I found myself throwing it away without bothering reading it.

I'm still searching for a socially liberal fiscally conservative party, that isn't full of cooks and idiots, like the Libertarian party.
 
eyephone said:
Limited scope investigation?
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Of course, but we knew that.

Hook Kavanaugh up to a lie detector machine. He extolled the virtues of the probative value to police investigations of lie detector tests as a judge.
 
well, there goes the farm.  are we still talking about perjury?

Christine Blasey Ford ex-boyfriend says she helped friend prep for potential polygraph; Grassley sounds alarm

In a letter released Tuesday and obtained by Fox News, an ex-boyfriend of Christine Blasey Ford, the California professor accusing Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, seemingly contradicts her testimony under oath last week that she had never helped anyone prepare for a polygraph examination.

The former boyfriend, whose name was redacted, also said Ford neither mentioned Kavanaugh nor said she was a victim of sexual misconduct during the time they were dating from about 1992 to 1998. He said he saw Ford helping a woman he believed was her "life-long best friend" prepare for a potential polygraph test. He added that the woman had been interviewing for jobs with the FBI and U.S. Attorney's office.

He also claimed Ford never voiced any fear of flying (even while aboard a propeller plane) and seemingly had no problem living in a small, 500 sq. ft. apartment with one door -- apparently contradicting her claims that she could not testify promptly in D.C. because she felt uncomfortable travelling on planes, as well as her suggestion that her memories of Kavanuagh's alleged assault prompted her to feel unsafe living in a closed space or one without a second front door.

Ford "never expressed a fear of closed quarters, tight spaces, or places with only one exit," the former boyfriend wrote. On Thursday, Ford testified, "I was hoping to avoid getting on an airplane. But I eventually was able to get up the gumption with the help of some friends and get on the plane." She also acknowledged regularly -- and, in her words, "unfortunately" -- travelling on planes for work and hobbies.

In a pointed, no-holds-barred letter Tuesday evening that referenced the ex-boyfriend's declaration, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley demanded that attorneys for Ford turn over her therapist notes and other key materials, and suggested she was intentionally less than truthful about her experience with polygraph examinations during Thursday's dramatic Senate hearing.

"Your continued withholding of material evidence despite multiple requests is unacceptable as the Senate exercises its constitutional responsibility of advice and consent for a judicial nomination," Grassley, R-Iowa, wrote.

Under questioning from experienced sex-crimes prosecutor Rachel Mitchell last week, Ford said that she had "never" had "any discussions with anyone ... on how to take a polygraph" or "given any tips or advice to anyone who was looking to take a polygraph test." She repeatedly said the process was stressful and uncomfortable.

But in his declaration, the ex-boyfriend wrote that, "I witnessed Dr. Ford help [Monica L.] McLean prepare for a potential polygraph exam" and that Ford had "explained in detail what to expect, how polygraphs worked and helped [her] become familiar and less nervous about the exam," using her background in psychology.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/christine-blasey-ford-ex-boyfriend-says-she-helped-friend-prep-for-potential-polygraph-grassley-sounds-alarm
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irvinehomeowner said:
@Kings:

I?m not even taking the allegations into consideration.

He is going to be a Supreme Court judge, in my opinion he needs to react better under pressure and duress.

Innocent or not, I?m not confident in who he is... and again, this is just a casual observation.
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then it's a good thing you're not voting on his confirmation  :)
 
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