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He was under oath, and he blatantly lied multiple times. In his attempt to win ascension to SCOTUS, he may have sacrificed his Circuit Court seat. Not too big a deal though. He can return to more clearly partisan political activities.
..and right on cue...
Brett Kavanaugh denies ANOTHER sex assault claim ? this time by a 'Jane Doe' who accuses Supreme Court nominee of 'raping me several times' and hitting her after offering a ride home from a party and saying: 'No one will believe you'
Sixth sexual misconduct allegation leveled against Brett Kavanaugh
Latest claim is more violent than the others but sent to a senator anonymously
Kavanaugh flatly denied it during a conference call last Wednesday with Senate Judiciary Committee staff
California Democratic Sen. Kamala Harris had the accusation beforehand but didn't question Kavanaugh about it during a hearing one day later
Letter bore no return address, was signed only 'Jane Doe,' and provided nothing about when and where the attack was to have taken place
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6227585/Jane-Doe-accuses-Brett-Kavanaugh-raping-times-calls-B-S.html
We'll see. It's not even clear what the scope of the FBI's investigation is today. If the FBI report is damning, maybe Kavanaugh simply withdraws his nomination, the Reps keep the report sealed, and the DOJ does not pursue any FBI recommended charges.
What do the following historical events have in common?:
1. Spanish Inquisition
2. Salem Witch Trials
3. McCarthy Hearings
4. Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution
5. Cavanaugh Confirmation Hearings
They all involve wild accusations in a hysterical environment and powerful actors taking advantage of the situation to silence or destroy their political and economic competitors.
1. Spanish Inquisition
2. Salem Witch Trials
3. McCarthy Hearings
4. Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution
5. Cavanaugh Confirmation Hearings
They all involve wild accusations in a hysterical environment and powerful actors taking advantage of the situation to silence or destroy their political and economic competitors.
zubs
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If the FBI discovers that Brett loved to drink a lot 30+ years ago and was black out drunk a lot of the times, does that mean he lied in his testimony?
Often times it's not that actual actions that gets you in trouble, it's the lying part 35 years later.
In his yearbook:
Devils Triangle (2 guys stuffing a girl end to end and high fiving) - not a drinking game (my friends called it making an eiffel tower, but u know different times different vocab)
Call Renate if you dont' have a date (Renate a girl that is like the town bicycle)
Does it matter he lied under oath about this stuff?
Often times it's not that actual actions that gets you in trouble, it's the lying part 35 years later.
In his yearbook:
Devils Triangle (2 guys stuffing a girl end to end and high fiving) - not a drinking game (my friends called it making an eiffel tower, but u know different times different vocab)
Call Renate if you dont' have a date (Renate a girl that is like the town bicycle)
Does it matter he lied under oath about this stuff?
Trump said FBI can investigate anything they want regarding Kavenaugh. But the White House is limiting the scope according to many articles. For example limiting the questions they can ask Mike Judge.
So this is just like the senate judiciary committee. People think it?s open investigation but it really is not.
(I will update my statement regarding the inquiry if I find more info in the news.)
So this is just like the senate judiciary committee. People think it?s open investigation but it really is not.
(I will update my statement regarding the inquiry if I find more info in the news.)
Perspective
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zubs said:
He was under oath, and he blatantly lied multiple times. In his attempt to win ascension to SCOTUS, he may have sacrificed his Circuit Court seat. Not too big a deal though. He can return to more clearly partisan political activities.
morekaos
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morekaos said:
..and right on cue...
Brett Kavanaugh denies ANOTHER sex assault claim ? this time by a 'Jane Doe' who accuses Supreme Court nominee of 'raping me several times' and hitting her after offering a ride home from a party and saying: 'No one will believe you'
Sixth sexual misconduct allegation leveled against Brett Kavanaugh
Latest claim is more violent than the others but sent to a senator anonymously
Kavanaugh flatly denied it during a conference call last Wednesday with Senate Judiciary Committee staff
California Democratic Sen. Kamala Harris had the accusation beforehand but didn't question Kavanaugh about it during a hearing one day later
Letter bore no return address, was signed only 'Jane Doe,' and provided nothing about when and where the attack was to have taken place
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6227585/Jane-Doe-accuses-Brett-Kavanaugh-raping-times-calls-B-S.html
Perspective
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zubs said:
We'll see. It's not even clear what the scope of the FBI's investigation is today. If the FBI report is damning, maybe Kavanaugh simply withdraws his nomination, the Reps keep the report sealed, and the DOJ does not pursue any FBI recommended charges.
Americans evenly divided on believing Kavanaugh or Ford:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/four-10-believe-allegations-against-kavanaugh-three-10-214237381.html
But:
"When it came to the allegations of sexual misconduct, the poll found that Americans who are younger, more educated and single were more likely to believe the allegations than those who are older, less educated and married."
Getting married makes you dumber? Who knew.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/four-10-believe-allegations-against-kavanaugh-three-10-214237381.html
But:
"When it came to the allegations of sexual misconduct, the poll found that Americans who are younger, more educated and single were more likely to believe the allegations than those who are older, less educated and married."
Getting married makes you dumber? Who knew.
Long post but let?s lay this out ?
The evidence that he?s a sexual assaulter is Ford?s testimony that he?s a sexual assaulter.
The fact that he offered deceptive testimony about yearbooks and drinking, is evidence that his denials aren?t credible.
If Ford had been caught up lying about ?anything? they?d have said that impeached her credibility ? that?s why there was all the fussing about fear of flying. Instead, Kavanaugh was caught offering misleading testimony on a range of subjects and not for the first time.
?The victim says he did it? + ?the accused is a huge liar? is not necessarily going to win you a criminal conviction, but it?s plenty to lose you a Supreme Court seat.
the presumption of innocence serves two critical functions, neither of which are relevant here (IMPORTNT) ?
There is a strong and appropriate presumption that people shouldn?t be in jail ? that?s one reason people get a presumption of innocence at a criminal trial.
But there?s obviously no presumption that you are entitled to a Supreme Court seat.
Second, the presumption is a counterweight to the overwhelming power of the state in a criminal trial. But Kavanaugh has the full weight of the White House and of senate leadership on his side with them controlling the pace and scope of investigation as eyephone pointed out .
The evidence that he?s a sexual assaulter is Ford?s testimony that he?s a sexual assaulter.
The fact that he offered deceptive testimony about yearbooks and drinking, is evidence that his denials aren?t credible.
If Ford had been caught up lying about ?anything? they?d have said that impeached her credibility ? that?s why there was all the fussing about fear of flying. Instead, Kavanaugh was caught offering misleading testimony on a range of subjects and not for the first time.
?The victim says he did it? + ?the accused is a huge liar? is not necessarily going to win you a criminal conviction, but it?s plenty to lose you a Supreme Court seat.
the presumption of innocence serves two critical functions, neither of which are relevant here (IMPORTNT) ?
There is a strong and appropriate presumption that people shouldn?t be in jail ? that?s one reason people get a presumption of innocence at a criminal trial.
But there?s obviously no presumption that you are entitled to a Supreme Court seat.
Second, the presumption is a counterweight to the overwhelming power of the state in a criminal trial. But Kavanaugh has the full weight of the White House and of senate leadership on his side with them controlling the pace and scope of investigation as eyephone pointed out .
zubs
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The Ford accusation of sexual misconduct doesn't matter anymore.
Kavanaugh told outside counsel Rachel Mitchell during the hearing that he has never "passed out" from drinking. "I?ve gone to sleep," he said. "But I?ve never blacked out, that?s the allegation. And that?s, that?s wrong."
The FBI is going to find out Brett was a blackout drunk belligerent alcoholic 35 years ago and establish a pattern.
Lying to congress is sinking this boat.
Brett is very accomplished. Probably goes by the motto work hard party harder. It's great he got into Yale and was #1 student. But he shouldn't lie about his drinking.
Kavanaugh told outside counsel Rachel Mitchell during the hearing that he has never "passed out" from drinking. "I?ve gone to sleep," he said. "But I?ve never blacked out, that?s the allegation. And that?s, that?s wrong."
The FBI is going to find out Brett was a blackout drunk belligerent alcoholic 35 years ago and establish a pattern.
Lying to congress is sinking this boat.
Brett is very accomplished. Probably goes by the motto work hard party harder. It's great he got into Yale and was #1 student. But he shouldn't lie about his drinking.