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eyephone said:
Trump takes a brake from campaign and promotes hotel.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/donald-trump-washington-hotel/index.html
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So to take a break to do business is shameful but to sit down for an Adele concert is just savvy?

Miami (AFP) - Hillary Clinton took time off from storming the campaign trail in the key state of Florida to take in a pre-birthday concert by pop icon Adele.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-miami-gets-adele-her-team-033356144.html



 
morekaos said:
eyephone said:
Trump takes a brake from campaign and promotes hotel.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/donald-trump-washington-hotel/index.html
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So to take a break to do business is shameful but to sit down for an Adele concert is just savvy?

Miami (AFP) - Hillary Clinton took time off from storming the campaign trail in the key state of Florida to take in a pre-birthday concert by pop icon Adele.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-miami-gets-adele-her-team-033356144.html
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Fair point, but it's a bit of a false equivalency. The used car salesman feel of Trump's grand opening would be like Clinton not only attending the Adele concert, but promoting it beforehand, introducing Adele to the stage, and having an ownership interest in the concert revenue.
 
The sleeze equivalency is staggering...

The pay-to-play Clinton Foundation

We have a former president and a prospective future president selling access, the appearance of access and the Clinton aura to Wall Street giants, governments such as Saudi Arabia and Germany, tycoons from several nations, multinational corporations and more. The foundation has collected $2 billion since its 2001 founding. Since then, the Clintons have also amassed more than $150 million in speaking fees, often from the same donors.

These special interests are not giving money because the foundation is such an effective charitable organization; a 2013 New York Times investigation made it seem chaotic. They are not paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to hear shopworn speeches because they expect to obtain profound insights. They want the Clintons? help, and they?re willing to pay for it.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/editorials/sdut-clinton-foundation-pay-to-play-enterprise-2016aug19-story.html

An aide says he once arranged for $50 million in payments for Bill Clinton

A close aide to Bill Clinton said he arranged for $50 million in payments for the former president, part of a complicated mingling of lucrative business deals and charity work of the Clinton Foundation mapped out in a memo released by WikiLeaks on Wednesday.

?Rightly or wrongly,? Band said, because other fundraisers couldn?t deliver, he and Kelly pushed their clients to donate to the foundation; he also lined up speaking and consulting deals for Bill Clinton. In some cases, it worked the other way, with Teneo winning consulting contracts from foundation donors.

One example, he said, was Laureate International University, the for-profit international school that donated more than $1.4 million to the Clinton Foundation and was paying Bill Clinton $3.5 million a year to serve as ?honorary chancellor.?

The company paid Clinton more than $17 million before the relationship ended last year, as Hillary Clinton was launching her presidential bid.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-doug-band-memo-20161026-story.html
 
Clinton has serious issues. She's a typical politician, just on steroids due to her State Dept position and her husband being a former two-term President. If the Republican party were reasonable, they'd have found a way to nominate a Romney type (Kasich) and might actually be leading in the polls today.
 
Perspective said:
Clinton has serious issues. She's a typical politician, just on steroids due to her State Dept position and her husband being a former two-term President. If the Republican party were reasonable, they'd have found a way to nominate a Romney type (Kasich) and might actually be leading in the polls today.
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Yes and no. A more conventional candidate (ie Bush, Walker) would still get steamrolled, however, because it's Trump news like this that would ordinarily kill Hillary's candidacy is tolerated.  This is why I keep insisting that this can go either way and it wouldn't surprise me.
 
I dunno... in the end I think people will see how crazy it would be to have Trump as POTUS.

I'll call it now... Trump will not win.

(Disclaimer: I didn't think Obama would win 8 years ago either)
 
irvinehomeowner said:
I dunno... in the end I think people will see how crazy it would be to have Trump as POTUS.

I'll call it now... Trump will not win.

(Disclaimer: I didn't think Obama would win 8 years ago either)
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Trump will tell you Obama didn't win, because he is ineligible due to his Muslim foreign born history (i.e. not one of "us"). Rigged!
 
Regardless of who wins the Presidency, the Republican Party has to decide what it is in 2016 and beyond, and isn't. I don't know if that would be easier, or more difficult, with a President Trump.
 
So will the Dems, If he wins, let the Inquisition begin. If she does these scandals will only get worse with her administration dogged by the charge that it is nothing more than a criminal enterprise. Repub controlled congress will fall over itself to investigate.  Dems will be on the defensive for 4 years.
 
I think we can expect a very political four years in Congress with a President Clinton. Two Senators have already suggested that no SCOTUS nominee should move forward during Clinton's full term in office. Congressmen are suggesting the Benghazi investigation will continue, in addition to new investigations.

Speaking of, Issa, a chief Benghazi conspiracy theorist, might not return to Congress:

The non-partisan analysts at the Cook Political Report have moved the 49th Congressional District to a "toss-up," a striking move in what has become a surprisingly competitive race between eight-term Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista) and political newcomer Doug Applegate.

The district had previously been considered "leans Republican," which meant the analysts thought it was still more likely Issa would win.

"As it turns out, it's possible to be the wealthiest member of Congress and still run a very poor campaign. Issa, the former House Oversight chair, has cruised to reelection over a decade, but recently he's been high-profile Trump booster in a rapidly changing, well-educated district where Trump is toxic," the analysts wrote in their ratings change explanation. "Issa could have spent millions over the summer to boost his own image and put Democrat Doug Applegate, a retired Marine colonel, away."
http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...eelection-bid-named-1476485337-htmlstory.html
 
Trump continues to amaze, even fewer than two weeks out from election day.  :o

Donald Trump Says He'll Teach Military Expert 'a Couple of Things' About Mosul
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-tr...rt-couple-214005494--abc-news-topstories.html

Donald Trump went on the offensive against a military expert and former dean of the Army War College, Jeff McCausland, who said the Republican nominee?s comments this weekend about the battle to reclaim Mosul in Iraq show he doesn?t have a firm grasp of military strategy.

?You can tell your military expert that I?ll sit down and I?ll teach him a couple of things,? Trump told ABC?s George Stephanopoulos in an exclusive interview.

On Sunday, Trump tweeted that the ongoing offensive against the ISIS stronghold of Mosul is turning out to be a ?total disaster.?

?We gave them months of notice. U.S. is looking so dumb. VOTE TRUMP and WIN AGAIN!? he tweeted.

Trump doubled down on his assertion that the element of surprise is an important military strategy.

?I?ve been hearing about Mosul now for three months. ?We?re going to attack. We?re going to attack.? Meaning Iraq?s going to attack but with us. OK? We?re going to attack. Why do they have to talk about it?? he asked Stephanopoulos.

?Element of surprise. One of the reasons they wanted Mosul, they wanted to get ISIS leaders who they thought were, you know, in Mosul. Those people have all left. As soon as they heard they?re going to be attacked, they left,? Trump added. ?The resistance is much greater now because they knew about the attack. Why can?t they win first and talk later??

But according to The New York Times, some military experts disagree with Trump?s claims that the element of surprise is crucial to win the fight against ISIS.

?What this shows is Trump doesn?t know a damn thing about military strategy,? McCausland told the Times.

Defense Secretary Ash Carter is on the ground in Iraq and told ABC?s Martha Raddatz in an interview earlier this week that he?s ?encouraged? by the progress in the fight against ISIS because it ?is going according to plan ... ISIL will surely be destroyed.?

Trump blamed Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama for the need to reclaim Mosul.

?We had Mosul. We have to take it because Hillary Clinton and Obama left that big vacuum, and ISIS went in, and they took Mosul,? he said.
 
morekaos said:
So will the Dems, If he wins, let the Inquisition begin. If she does these scandals will only get worse with her administration dogged by the charge that it is nothing more than a criminal enterprise. Repub controlled congress will fall over itself to investigate.  Dems will be on the defensive for 4 years.
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It has already begun...

Grifters-in-Chief

The Clintons don?t draw lines between their ?charity? and personal enrichment.

In an election season that has been full of surprises, let?s hope the electorate understands that there is at least one thing of which it can be certain: A Hillary Clinton presidency will be built, from the ground up, on self-dealing, crony favors, and an utter disregard for the law.

This isn?t a guess. It is spelled out, in black and white, in the latest bombshell revelation from WikiLeaks. It comes in the form of a memo written in 2011 by longtime Clinton errand boy Doug Band, who for years worked simultaneously at the Clinton Foundation and at the head of his lucrative consulting business, Teneo.

It is astonishingly detailed proof that the Clintons do not draw any lines between their ?charitable? work, their political activity, their government jobs or (and most important) their personal enrichment. Every other American is expected to keep these pursuits separate, as required by tax law, anticorruption law and campaign-finance law. For the Clintons, it is all one and the same?the rules be damned.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/grifters-in-chief-1477610771
 
Cruz hints GOP won't vote on Scalia replacement if Clinton wins; the idea gains some support

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/cruz_hints_gop_wont_vote_on_scalia_replacement_if_clinton_wins_the_idea_gai/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email
 
Rich people should vote for Hillary & poor people should vote for Trump.
It's a strange thought, but mostly true.

Since this is TalkIrvine, I expect Hillary would win if we took a poll.
 
morekaos said:
Your statement reminds me of Pauline Kael's famous quote when Nixon won in '72

?I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don?t know. They?re outside my ken. But sometimes when I?m in a theater I can feel them.?
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Precisely what I meant with this statement Zubs...we live surrounded by precious snowflakes that don't accurately reflect the national mood.  We will see who's right very soon.
 
eyephone said:
He brought up calling Hillary a nasty woman, at the charity event.

?Last night, I called Hillary ?a nasty woman.? But this stuff is all relative,? he said. ?After listening to Hillary rattle on and on and on, I don't think so badly of Rosie O'Donnell anymore. In fact I'm actually starting to like Rosie a lot.?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-trade-jokes-al-smith/story?id=42947939

My comment: this definately doesn't help with the women voters
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Well, I'm a woman. I'm offended that he called her "nasty".... because nasty doesn't even begin to describe Hillary Clinton. Her actions are so beyond nasty. Straight up evil. She should be ashamed of herself... I know I am. She does not represent me. She is no role model for young women. She should be held accountable for her misdeeds.

TL;DR - I vote with my lady smarts, not with my lady parts.
 
eyephone said:
FBI informs congress that the email investigation is reopened.
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Crazy timing. I'm not too knowledgeable but it's amazing someone can run for president while under criminal investigation.  Apparently new found evidence showing the mismanagement of classified information "perjury and impropriety" is what is being said. 

11 days before the election is interesting as well.  According to some TI folks here, it reopens the theory that a Trump victory may be possible and the FBI is now protecting itself.  Trump wins, they made the right call. 

Question, if she does win, can she pardon herself? Or would Obama be the one to pardon her?
 
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