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Let's not rewrite history here. The Left is not alone in finding Trump a despicable person. Many on the Right were vocal about this, some overtly, some in more subtle terms, about their concern regarding Trump.

We should define "what makes America horrible" today, and how we'll know when "America is great again," in specific terms, and how we'll be able to attribute this greatness to Trump.
 
History rarely repeats exactly but in carries a similar tune.

1. Like Reagan, Trump is a Washington outsider. Reagan was twice elected governor of California but never served in Congress. Trump has never held political office. And then as now, being an outsider is a virtue to voters who desperately want change.

2. Reagan was dismissed as a serious candidate, and so was Trump. "The establishment critics said the exact same things about Reagan," Jeffrey Lord, a former Reagan aide who is close to the Trump campaign, told The Telegraph. "Reagan was ridiculed as 'not serious' and a B-movie actor, and they said over and over he could never win ? until he did. It's happening again. I really feel it."

3. Trump and Reagan were both attacked by the establishment as being extreme and simplistic. Yet people were so fed up with the state of the country under Jimmy Carter that Reagan beat him in a landslide. As Trump's showing in the polls demonstrates, people are once again fed up with establishment politics.

4. Trump shares Reagan's "passion" for what he believes in. Reagan son's Michael Reagan recently told Newsmax that Trump speaks with the kind of passion his father so brilliantly conveyed. "That's why America right now has surrounded Trump, in this case, because he's off the cuff and he speaks from his own passion."

5. Trump espouses similar views as Reagan on illegal immigration. Trump created controversy ? and won support from many ? for his outspoken comments about illegal immigration and the lack of border security. Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986, making it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants and requiring employers to attest to their employees' immigration status.

6. Trump is a straight-talker, like Reagan. He doesn't hide behind political correctness, as his comments about illegal immigration demonstrate. Reagan talked to people from the heart and was dubbed The Great Communicator.

7. Trump began as a Democrat before becoming a Republican. Reagan, too, was initially a liberal Democrat, but he backed Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon and went on to register as a Republican in 1964.

8. Trump, like Reagan, has been a TV star. Reagan hosted "General Electric Theater" in the 1950s and "Death Valley Days" in the 1960s. Trump found TV stardom with "The Apprentice" and "Celebrity Apprentice."

9. Trump seeks to follow in Reagan's footsteps and succeed a liberal, big-government Democratic president. And Barack Obama is even further to the left than Jimmy Carter was.

10. Trump and Reagan both opposed runaway public employees' unions. Trump told Bill O'Reilly that he thought Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is "doing what's right for his state" by reining in public workers' unions. Reagan in August 1981 fired more than 11,000 air traffic controllers after they went on strike in violation of a federal law barring government unions from striking.

11. Trump shares Reagan's overall aim as president: to make America great again. Trump said he began the process of trademarking the slogan "Make America Great Again" and criticized some of his GOP opponents for using it. Reagan prominently featured the slogan on his campaign materials.

12. Trump favors tax reduction, as did Reagan. The reduction in tax rates championed by "Reaganomics" sought to spur economic growth. Trump has called for a repeal of the estate tax, the lowering of taxes on capital gains and dividends, and reducing the corporate tax rate to zero to spur job growth.

13. Trump, like Reagan, is pro-life. In 1982, Reagan stated: "Simple morality dictates that unless and until someone can prove the unborn human is not alive, we must give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it is (alive). And, thus, it should be entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Trump said in April 2011 that he was pro-life after years of being pro-choice.

14. Trump and Reagan both have defended gun rights and the Second Amendment. Reagan in 1986 signed the Firearm Owners Protection Act, which among other things ended federal records-keeping on ammunition sales. He said if we give up "that part of the Constitution" that is the Second Amendment, "we give up part of our freedom and increase the chances that we will lose it all." Trump told Breitbart News in April: "It is so important that we maintain the Second Amendment and that we maintain it strongly. And one of the main reasons is because the good people, the upstanding people, follow laws and norms, but the bad ones don't."

15. Reagan was the first president who had been divorced. President Trump would be the second. Reagan divorced Jane Wyman before marrying Nancy Davis in 1952. Donald and Ivana Trump divorced and he went on to wed Marla Maples in 1993 and Melania Knauss in 2004.

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/trump-reagan-common-things/2015/08/03/id/665217/
 
16. They both showed signs of dementia early in their presidency.

17. Both relied heavily on advisors because they had no clue what was going on around them.

18.Both were paronoid about the enemy.

One illegally aided central american civil wars that resulted in bad hombres seeking asylum in the US. The other deported those bad hombres.
 
Perspective said:
Let's not rewrite history here. The Left is not alone in finding Trump a despicable person. Many on the Right were vocal about this, some overtly, some in more subtle terms, about their concern regarding Trump.

Reagan and Trump were both attacked by the GOP establishment as radical, too polarizing, too simpleminded, and lacking federal and foreign experience.

Prior to Ronald Reagan, the GOP of the ?60s and ?70s was more like the RINOs of today, being more moderate and almost liberal country-club partisans. People like Nelson Rockefeller, Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford typified the Republican brand.

When Reagan arose as a presidential candidate, the Guardian described him well in that political milieu: ?He was too radical for Republicans and too polarizing for Democrats.? Sound like anyone you know?

New York Magazine explained, ?A poll in 1976 found that 90 percent of Republican state chairmen judged Reagan guilty of ?simplistic approaches,? with ?no depth in federal government administration? and ?no experience in foreign affairs.'?

Jeffrey Lord, a former Reagan aide who is also a Trump supporter, echoed the same sentiment to The Telegraph: ?The establishment critics said the exact same things about Reagan. Reagan was ridiculed as ?not serious? and a B-movie actor, and they said over and over he could never win ? until he did. It?s happening again. I really feel it.


http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/top-8-similarities-between-trump-and-reagan/#JiJ5t8BvxBtg6ZlE.99
 
Perspective said:
Many on the Right were vocal about this, some overtly, some in more subtle terms, about their concern regarding Trump.
"Left" and "Right" are not the relevant distinctions between the majority of Trump supporters and detractors.  As one of the Trump haters on this thread who posted David Frum's Atlantic Magazine article pointed out, there are many on the right like Frum, Bill Kristol, etc. who despise Trump,

The correct distinction now is globalist vs nationalist/populist.  The globalist wing of the Republican Party (Frum, Bush, Romney, McCain, Kristol, Weekly Standard, etc) have formed an alliance with Liberals (who are inherently globalist) to bring down Trump. These people do not believe in borders and support global enterprises and institutions.

Keep in mind there are globalist or populist Republicans just as there are globalist or populist Democrats.  So in regards to Trump, it is globalist vs. populist/nationalist and not right vs left.
 
Perspective said:
So share, how will we know when America is great again, and how will we know this greatness is attributable to Trump?

I will defer to Justice Potter Stewart in his opinion..


"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography", "Americas Greatness"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it."
 
morekaos said:
Perspective said:
So share, how will we know when America is great again, and how will we know this greatness is attributable to Trump?

I will defer to Justice Potter Stewart in his opinion..


"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography", "Americas Greatness"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it."

Of course. This is why Trump won't define what this slogan really means either.

Making patently false statements near daily is not indicative of genius. It is however, indicative of something else.
 
Well then, define the terms of making America great again. What needs to change, by what date, and in what definitive terms, to be able to declare success in making America great again?

If we don't achieve 3%+ GDP growth as Trump has promised, should we consider his presidency a failure?
 
I will predict this.  If he is considered a success you will see a very similar commercial like that in 4 years for his re-election campaign.  What you can't measure is what is pointed out in that very commercial, attitude.  People felt "confident, stronger, and better".  People have been down on this country for the last 8 years.  I believe in American exceptionalism, I have traveled all over this world and this is truly the greatest country.  Americans need to be proud of that again, not ashamed of it. They also sight some economic statistics about home ownership and inflation so you can throw that in too but it won't be a specific one like just GDP...although I do think that is one he will deliver on. (its only fair since Obama never had any higher number than 1.9%.).
 
That is some very subjective and difficult to accurately measure stuff - might as well declare victory today, America is great again!
 
Perspective said:
That is some very subjective and difficult to accurately measure stuff - might as well declare victory today, America is great again!

How would you measure a presidents success?
 
Perspective said:
That is some very subjective and difficult to accurately measure stuff - might as well declare victory today, America is great again!

True,  You would find people in 1984 who would say it was not "Morning in America".  But if you counted the votes for Reagan s 2nd term you could conclude more people thought it was Morning in America.  Subjective but votes will tell the tale in the end.  That may be the best arbiter.
 
jmoney74 said:
Perspective said:
That is some very subjective and difficult to accurately measure stuff - might as well declare victory today, America is great again!

How would you measure a presidents success?

It's not easy. The president is just one branch of government, and there are forces and luck, both good and bad, well beyond the president's control that greatly affect the economy.
 
Perspective said:
jmoney74 said:
Perspective said:
That is some very subjective and difficult to accurately measure stuff - might as well declare victory today, America is great again!

How would you measure a presidents success?

It's not easy. The president is just one branch of government, and there are forces and luck, both good and bad, well beyond the president's control that greatly affect the economy.

This thread is getting worthless.
 
jmoney74 said:
Perspective said:
jmoney74 said:
Perspective said:
That is some very subjective and difficult to accurately measure stuff - might as well declare victory today, America is great again!

How would you measure a presidents success?

It's not easy. The president is just one branch of government, and there are forces and luck, both good and bad, well beyond the president's control that greatly affect the economy.

This thread is getting worthless.

I think you are being too polite. I think you mean his answers are worthless.
 
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