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Movingup said:
Perspective said:
much like an abused wife tries to convince her friends and family that, "He really does love me. See, he made me dinner last night and brought flowers."

Wow, let's give you a standing ovation. You are comparing Trump to a domestic abuser? I guess you are soft on Trump by not comparing him to a child molester.

Let me help you understand the analogy. I am comparing CNBC folks' reaction to Trump's speech, to domestic abuse victims' rationalizing many episodes of prior bad behavior by focusing solely on last night's loving behavior.
 
Keeping up that level of rage and indignation for two years will be a difficult task indeed

If Republicans could do it for eight years, two should be a piece of cake. Eight years of flat out refusing to do anything even if it benefited their constituents.

I love when the people who criticized everything Obama did get mad at the people who criticize Trump by saying, but Obama did it. Yes he did, and you hated everything about it then, so why do you like it when Trump does the same thing.
 
The problem for the Dems is they have to climb out of a major electoral hole.  Repubs were not out of control of every branch of government in 2008 or if they were the edge was close.  With two years of Repub redistricting and gerrymandering and the 2018 slate in the Senate favoring the Repubs the horizon looks stormy at best for the Dems.  You are in serious trouble. Especially if Trump delivers on just a sliver of his platform.
 
morekaos said:
The problem for the Dems is they have to climb out of a major electoral hole.  Repubs were not out of control of every branch of government in 2008 or if they were the edge was close.  With two years of Repub redistricting and gerrymandering and the 2018 slate in the Senate favoring the Repubs the horizon looks stormy at best for the Dems.  You are in serious trouble. Especially if Trump delivers on just a sliver of his platform.

Whom are you addressing? I am not a Democrat, and judging by the reasonable well considered comments by others criticizing Trump here, I'll speculate most of them aren't either, at least not die-hard "agree with everything in HRC's platform" democrats.

I'll be very pleased if we reform taxes, both individual and corporate, eliminating most deductions, exemptions and credits and lower rates.
 
Perspective said:
morekaos said:
The problem for the Dems is they have to climb out of a major electoral hole.  Repubs were not out of control of every branch of government in 2008 or if they were the edge was close.  With two years of Repub redistricting and gerrymandering and the 2018 slate in the Senate favoring the Repubs the horizon looks stormy at best for the Dems.  You are in serious trouble. Especially if Trump delivers on just a sliver of his platform.

Whom are you addressing? I am not a Democrat, and judging by the reasonable well considered comments by others criticizing Trump here, I'll speculate most of them aren't either, at least not die-hard "agree with everything in HRC's platform" democrats.

I'll be very pleased if we reform taxes, both individual and corporate, eliminating most deductions, exemptions and credits and lower rates.

And hopefully no more AMT ... and yay ballooning deficit !!!!!! Unless there are cuts in entitlements and defense which is not going to happen.
 
Loco_local said:
Keeping up that level of rage and indignation for two years will be a difficult task indeed

If Republicans could do it for eight years, two should be a piece of cake. Eight years of flat out refusing to do anything even if it benefited their constituents.

I love when the people who criticized everything Obama did get mad at the people who criticize Trump by saying, but Obama did it. Yes he did, and you hated everything about it then, so why do you like it when Trump does the same thing.

It's different. Obama had 8 years of congress not helping him out. Of course it didn't help that he had net loss of democrat seats. He didn't have constant criticism from those who counted their chickens before they hatched (Clinton win) and can't get over it, deciding instead to whine and cry over everything every day.

If it's being funded by and egged on by a well funded organization it won't die down. But the bitterness they exhibit will just eat away their happiness.

My grandson would say some of the people on here are like Eeyore. Maybe humorous in a cartoon but after a while in real life it just serves to push other people away who either pity them for their bitterness or pray for them. 

Oh bother........ End of the road and no hope of anything getting better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQI0E1WCLMU

I rather have the peace that passes all understanding.
 
Perspective said:
morekaos said:
The problem for the Dems is they have to climb out of a major electoral hole.  Repubs were not out of control of every branch of government in 2008 or if they were the edge was close.  With two years of Repub redistricting and gerrymandering and the 2018 slate in the Senate favoring the Repubs the horizon looks stormy at best for the Dems.  You are in serious trouble. Especially if Trump delivers on just a sliver of his platform.

Whom are you addressing? I am not a Democrat, and judging by the reasonable well considered comments by others criticizing Trump here, I'll speculate most of them aren't either, at least not die-hard "agree with everything in HRC's platform" democrats.

I'll be very pleased if we reform taxes, both individual and corporate, eliminating most deductions, exemptions and credits and lower rates.

Here we go again.

You agree with the programs that the Democrats push. BUT you like not to pay taxes. How are they going to pay for all the free programs that the Democrats are pushing for without high taxes. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
 
We can grow our way out of most of that new spending.  A corp tax holiday for overseas cash will do wonders to fill the hole.  Think about it, 10-15% tax on 1-2 trillion dollars, then all those cash flush corps are going to re-distribute a huge chunk of that cash in the form of special dividends to shareholders (mark my word, that will become a big play in the markets.)  Then the government gets to tap that pool again in the form of income tax on the distribution to shareholders.  That's a double tap on the same piece of money.  Probably close to 40% for the GOV coffers that they  never had before...it's an elegant piece of funding trickery.
 
"And hopefully no more AMT ... and yay ballooning deficit !!!!!! Unless there are cuts in entitlements and defense which is not going to happen."

Seriously. The AMT hits hard. And there's the crux - Nearly everyone will cheer eliminating all income taxes. Yay! But then we have to talk about what that means, and folks aren't so supportive ...
 
eyephone said:
Perspective said:
morekaos said:
The problem for the Dems is they have to climb out of a major electoral hole.  Repubs were not out of control of every branch of government in 2008 or if they were the edge was close.  With two years of Repub redistricting and gerrymandering and the 2018 slate in the Senate favoring the Repubs the horizon looks stormy at best for the Dems.  You are in serious trouble. Especially if Trump delivers on just a sliver of his platform.

Whom are you addressing? I am not a Democrat, and judging by the reasonable well considered comments by others criticizing Trump here, I'll speculate most of them aren't either, at least not die-hard "agree with everything in HRC's platform" democrats.

I'll be very pleased if we reform taxes, both individual and corporate, eliminating most deductions, exemptions and credits and lower rates.

Here we go again.

You agree with the programs that the Democrats push. BUT you like not to pay taxes. How are they going to pay for all the free programs that the Democrats are pushing for without high taxes. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

That might be your perception, but that's not in the comments I've made here. I defend ACA against hyperbole and hysteria, but I've never been a big fan of it. It's a tough complex issue.

What Democrat programs have I supported? Criticizing the vitriolic demagoguery and daily falsehoods from Trump does not mean I am a Democrat. I am much closer to a "Romney Republican" than I am an "Obama Democrat."
 
morekaos said:
Ready2Downsize said:
Perspective said:
morekaos said:
Loco_local said:
morekaos said:
jmoney74 said:
Trump first thing was to denounce hate and all the crimes associated with it. So there you go.

I thought that was evil genius! You think he reads this board? >:D

He's got Russian gypsy blood in him

So you people who call the po-po better watch out

It was a good speech, you gotta give him that.

How was it a "good speech"? Was it "good" because he continued to repeat falsehoods and continued to mislead and misconstrue facts? Or was it a "good speech" because he toned down the White Nationalist fire and brimstone rhetoric where the Mexicans are coming to rape your daughters and the Muslims are coming to shoot you?

Some CNBC talking heads are celebrating the much more reserved tone of this speech, much like an abused wife tries to convince her friends and family that, "He really does love me. See, he made me dinner last night and brought flowers."

Does the bitterness extend to other areas in your life or just towards Republicans and Trump?

I got up and said whoa......... what happened to the stock market?

I'm still wondering why the fact that we were all going to lose thousands the morning after the election never materialized. Clearly a whole lot of other people have another Perspective on the matter.

Oh but wait................... when the market drops THEN is the time Trump made it go down and made us all poor beggars and it's our own fault for not being bitter.

As I said the fear on the left is not that he fails...its that he succeeds.  Giving no quarter or even acknowledging any positive about Trump is strictly forbotten. Keeping up that level of rage and indignation for two years will be a difficult task indeed

Yes indeed. But we are "due" for a recession. You do not repeal the business cycle, so good chance we get it before the next election.

I remember when Reagan was elected. A lot of FUD at that time........ omg he's an actor! omg he'll start a war! omg this and that and lo and behold after he was shot the dems shut up and passed his legislation and he got re-elected.

I'm sure there are people on here who will have some negative thing (or lots) to say about Ronnie but I did quite well when he was president.

If a community organizer can run the country for 8 years, Trump can do it too.

If an actor who relied on astrology can run the country for 8 years, Trump can do it too.

Instead of brow beating us every day with every doom and gloom (which we'll become numb too anyway) why not just be happy? We live in the best country  in the world and we live in a darn good area. Life has treated us well.

And btw, I wasn't responding to you in this thread.
 
Perspective said:
"And hopefully no more AMT ... and yay ballooning deficit !!!!!! Unless there are cuts in entitlements and defense which is not going to happen."

Seriously. The AMT hits hard. And there's the crux - Nearly everyone will cheer eliminating all income taxes. Yay! But then we have to talk about what that means, and folks aren't so supportive ...

It's ohhh-kay!

Always barely missed the ATM but looking forward to not having to do our taxes twice (which we do on our own) and if that means our taxes go up, SO BE IT! Not going to be unhappy about it. Going to be happy to do our taxes one time and be done.



 
Perspective said:
eyephone said:
Perspective said:
morekaos said:
The problem for the Dems is they have to climb out of a major electoral hole.  Repubs were not out of control of every branch of government in 2008 or if they were the edge was close.  With two years of Repub redistricting and gerrymandering and the 2018 slate in the Senate favoring the Repubs the horizon looks stormy at best for the Dems.  You are in serious trouble. Especially if Trump delivers on just a sliver of his platform.

Whom are you addressing? I am not a Democrat, and judging by the reasonable well considered comments by others criticizing Trump here, I'll speculate most of them aren't either, at least not die-hard "agree with everything in HRC's platform" democrats.

I'll be very pleased if we reform taxes, both individual and corporate, eliminating most deductions, exemptions and credits and lower rates.

Here we go again.

You agree with the programs that the Democrats push. BUT you like not to pay taxes. How are they going to pay for all the free programs that the Democrats are pushing for without high taxes. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

That might be your perception, but that's not in the comments I've made here. I defend ACA against hyperbole and hysteria, but I've never been a big fan of it. It's a tough complex issue.

What Democrat programs have I supported? Criticizing the vitriolic demagoguery and daily falsehoods from Trump does not mean I am a Democrat. I am much closer to a "Romney Republican" than I am an "Obama Democrat."

Are you joking around? I don't know if Trump's speech last night turned you around. There's too many to list. 

programs, positions, your comments about Trump

* I never heard one thing good about Trump. How about increasing the funding for African American colleges?
 
eyephone said:
Perspective said:
eyephone said:
Perspective said:
morekaos said:
The problem for the Dems is they have to climb out of a major electoral hole.  Repubs were not out of control of every branch of government in 2008 or if they were the edge was close.  With two years of Repub redistricting and gerrymandering and the 2018 slate in the Senate favoring the Repubs the horizon looks stormy at best for the Dems.  You are in serious trouble. Especially if Trump delivers on just a sliver of his platform.

Whom are you addressing? I am not a Democrat, and judging by the reasonable well considered comments by others criticizing Trump here, I'll speculate most of them aren't either, at least not die-hard "agree with everything in HRC's platform" democrats.

I'll be very pleased if we reform taxes, both individual and corporate, eliminating most deductions, exemptions and credits and lower rates.

Here we go again.

You agree with the programs that the Democrats push. BUT you like not to pay taxes. How are they going to pay for all the free programs that the Democrats are pushing for without high taxes. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

That might be your perception, but that's not in the comments I've made here. I defend ACA against hyperbole and hysteria, but I've never been a big fan of it. It's a tough complex issue.

What Democrat programs have I supported? Criticizing the vitriolic demagoguery and daily falsehoods from Trump does not mean I am a Democrat. I am much closer to a "Romney Republican" than I am an "Obama Democrat."

Are you joking around? I don't know if Trump's speech last night turned you around. There's too many to list.

So, indulge me. Name one. I support the Democrats on most social issues. I may have said something about those here.

How quickly we forget many Republicans despised Trump before the election, publicly. Despising this man does not make you a Democrat.
 
Catching up on this thread after a while, reading some of the bizarre comments about Trump being Anti-Semite in Chief.

Ah, yes. Trump the anti-Semite who created an Evangelical Advisory Board. A Who's-Who of Christian leaders such as Greg Laurie - one of many pastors who profoundly understands the Biblical significance of protecting Israel. Trump, the anti-Semite, who has expressed interest in moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. Jerusalem! The home of Solomon's Temple. That's a bold move. Do you have any idea how many people in the world mistakenly believe that Tel Aviv is the capital, not Israel? Their Arab enemies don't want Israel to exist, let alone for Jerusalem to be its seat of authority.

Funny enough, there are posts in different threads here excusing muslim animosity towards the United States (their hatred goes for Israel, too), rolling out the red carpet for mass muslim immigration. And how many of you had condemned the nuclear deal with Iran? If you love the Jews so much, these things would matter to you. Either you love the Jews or you don't. You either want to protect them or you don't. You want to empower their enemies who would love to wipe them off the map or you don't. Anything else is just sanctimonious b.s.
 
SoCal said:
Catching up on this thread after a while, reading some of the bizarre comments about Trump being Anti-Semite in Chief.

Ah, yes. Trump the anti-Semite who created an Evangelical Advisory Board. A Who's-Who of Christian leaders such as Greg Laurie - one of many pastors who profoundly understands the Biblical significance of protecting Israel. Trump, the anti-Semite, who has expressed interest in moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. Jerusalem! The home of Solomon's Temple. That's a bold move. Do you have any idea how many people in the world mistakenly believe that Tel Aviv is the capital, not Israel? Their Arab enemies don't want Israel to exist, let alone for Jerusalem be its seat of authority.

Funny enough, there are posts in different threads here excusing muslim animosity towards the United States (their hatred goes for Israel, too), rolling out the red carpet for mass muslim immigration. And how many of you had condemned the nuclear deal with Iran? If you love the Jews so much, these things would matter to you. Either you love the Jews or you don't. You either want to protect them or you don't. You want to empower their enemies who would love to wipe them off the map or you don't. Anything else is just sanctimonious b.s.

You are smart just like many of us here. But there are also a lot of people who get brain-washed by the liberal talking points(lies). Seriously, they can't accept they lost the election and they will do anything to make the President fail.
 
SoCal said:
Catching up on this thread after a while, reading some of the bizarre comments about Trump being Anti-Semite in Chief.

Ah, yes. Trump the anti-Semite who created an Evangelical Advisory Board. A Who's-Who of Christian leaders such as Greg Laurie - one of many pastors who profoundly understands the Biblical significance of protecting Israel. Trump, the anti-Semite, who has expressed interest in moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. Jerusalem! The home of Solomon's Temple. That's a bold move. Do you have any idea how many people in the world mistakenly believe that Tel Aviv is the capital, not Israel? Their Arab enemies don't want Israel to exist, let alone for Jerusalem to be its seat of authority.

Funny enough, there are posts in different threads here excusing muslim animosity towards the United States (their hatred goes for Israel, too), rolling out the red carpet for mass muslim immigration. And how many of you had condemned the nuclear deal with Iran? If you love the Jews so much, these things would matter to you. Either you love the Jews or you don't. You either want to protect them or you don't. You want to empower their enemies who would love to wipe them off the map or you don't. Anything else is just sanctimonious b.s.

Not speaking for others, but I don't think anyone called Trump an anti-Semite (bit of a strawman here). The general complaint was that Trump has spewed so much hate at so many groups for so long, that it has emboldened all hate groups, regardless of whether Trump intended hate be directed at Jews. There's a reason the White Nationalist movement and its associated groups love Trump.
 
Perspective said:
The general complaint was that Trump has spewed so much hate at so many groups for so long, that it has emboldened all hate groups, regardless of whether Trump intended hate be directed at Jews. There's a reason the White Nationalist movement and its associated groups love Trump.

Liberal talking points (lies).
 
Movingup said:
Perspective said:
The general complaint was that Trump has spewed so much hate at so many groups for so long, that it has emboldened all hate groups, regardless of whether Trump intended hate be directed at Jews. There's a reason the White Nationalist movement and its associated groups love Trump.
Liberal talking points (lies).

Conclusory. Please identify the talking point and the lie.
 
Analysis: Trump's Lofty Vision of Renewal Comes with a Huge Price Tag
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...s-with-a-huge-price-tag/ar-AAnG43p?li=BBnbfcN

Delivering his first address to a joint session of Congress as chief executive, Donald Trump on Tuesday night achieved something that has largely eluded him in the weeks since taking the oath of office: he managed to look presidential.

His hour-long address was sober and focused, avoiding the discursive rambling that characterizes much of his public speaking. He hit on the issues that animated both his campaign and the first days of his presidency: restricting immigration, repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act, funding a massive infrastructure program, and investing huge sums in a military buildup. At the same time, he failed to address many of the challenges the country faces on the world stage, including Russian aggression and the ongoing crises in Syria and across the Middle East.

Trump?s performance earned immediate accolades from pundits accustomed to watching him deliver unscripted speeches in which he lurches from topic to topic, hurling epithets at his opponents and red meat to his base. CNN commentator Van Jones and Fox News host Chris Wallace, hardly ideological soulmates, independently proclaimed that with the speech Trump ?became president of the United States.?

It?s worth pausing to consider just how far the bar has been lowered here. As presidential addresses go, this was not Lincoln?s Second Inaugural or even FDR?s first. For the most part, Trump delivered a workman-like recitation of the words on his teleprompter and avoided saying anything too outrageous. The rapturous reception seems to reflect as much surprise at his ability to behave like a president for the space of an hour as it does the reaction to the actual content of his remarks.

As many presidents have done before him, Trump populated the audience with guests meant to magnify the emotional punch of some parts of his remarks. In a particularly memorable moment, he drew attention to Carryn Owens, the widow of Navy SEAL William Ryan Owens, who died during a raid in Yemen six days into Trump?s term.

The president has faced considerable criticism for the operation, which also took the lives of more than a dozen civilians. No senior terrorist figures were captured or killed in the raid, and there have been conflicting reports about the value of the intelligence that was gathered from it. And, in a sharp break from precedent, Trump suggested in an interview with Fox News that the responsibility for Owens? death lay with ?the generals? who devised the operation, not with him as commander-in-chief.

However, Trump lingered on the subject for some time Tuesday night, leading a lengthy standing ovation for Mrs. Owens, and quoting Secretary of Defense James Mattis as saying, ?Ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemies.?

Directing his words to a weeping Mrs. Owens, he added, ?Ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. Thank you. Ryan is looking down right now. You know that. And he is very happy because I think he just broke a record.? The ?record? appeared to be a reference to the long round of applause.

A recurring theme in Trump?s remarks was a call to Democrats in Congress to come together with Republicans to pass some of Trump?s legislative priorities. The opposition party, which has little formal power in the capital, has been resisting the confirmation of many of the president?s cabinet appointees and has so far shown little appetite for compromise.

?Everything that is broken in our country can be fixed,? Trump said. ?Every problem can be solved.  And every hurting family can find healing and hope. Our citizens deserve this, and so much more ? so why not join forces to finally get it done?  On this and so many other things, Democrats and Republicans should get together and unite for the good of our country, and for the good of the American people.?

As he summed up, though, he seemed to belittle the concerns of the members of Congress who have opposed his agenda. ?The time for small thinking is over. The time for trivial fights is behind us.?

With the words ?trivial fights,? he gestured to his right, where the Democrats in the audience were sitting, producing audible grumbling.

Trump opened his remarks with a long-awaited condemnation of bigotry and racially charged violence, something he has been sharply criticized for failing to address when given multiple opportunities over the past several weeks.

?Tonight, as we mark the conclusion of our celebration of Black History Month, we are reminded of our Nation's path toward civil rights and the work that still remains. Recent threats targeting Jewish Community Centers and vandalism of Jewish cemeteries, as well as last week's shooting in Kansas City, remind us that while we may be a Nation divided on policies, we are a country that stands united in condemning hate and evil in all its forms.?

In a press conference in February, Trump had suggested that a well-documented surge in anti-Semitic acts and threats following his inauguration might actually be attributable to his political opponents trying to make him look bad.

The overall tone of the speech, hopeful and optimistic, was markedly different from the inaugural address that Trump delivered on January 20, which was replete with dark descriptions of a country in decline and beset by enemies.

Whether or not the speech reflects a lasting change of tone from the Trump administration is something that will only become apparent in the weeks and days ahead, as the president continues to push his agenda through executive orders and calls on Congress to pass legislation.
 
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