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Trudeau is not a real man.  Any hesitancy to shake someone's hand is patently effeminate.  Girls give the WTF look when someone offers their hand.  Men don't behave that way.
 
what have we done ... elected a Russian asset as a president --- what movie are we living through right now !


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/opinion/what-trump-is-doing-is-not-ok.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=1&referer=https://t.co/pzNEjmZPqt

From Tom Friedman --

Thank God for the resignation in shame by Mike Flynn, President Trump?s national security adviser. And not just because he misled the vice president and engaged in deeply malignant behavior with Russia, but, more important, because maybe it will finally get the United States government, Congress and the news media to demand a proper answer to what is still the biggest national security question staring us in the face today: What is going on between Donald Trump and the Russians?

Sorry, Kellyanne Conway, I am not ready to just ?move on.?

Every action, tweet and declaration by Trump throughout this campaign, his transition and his early presidency screams that he is compromised when it comes to the Russians.

I don?t know whether Russian oligarchs own him financially or whether Russian spies own him personally because of alleged indiscreet behavior during his trips to Moscow. But Trump?s willingness to attack allies like Australia, bluster at rivals like China, threaten enemies like Iran and North Korea and bully neighbors like Mexico ? while consistently blowing kisses to Russian President Vladimir Putin ? cannot be explained away by his mere desire to improve relations with Moscow to defeat the Islamic State. And the Flynn ouster gives our government another, desperately needed opportunity to demand the answers to these questions, starting with seeing the president?s tax returns.

We need to know whom Trump owes and who might own him, and we need to know it now. Save for a few patriotic Republican senators like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, the entire Republican Party is complicit in a shameful act of looking away at Trump?s inexplicable behavior toward Russia.

If Republicans want to know how they should be behaving on this issue, they should ask themselves what they would be saying and doing right now if a President Hillary Clinton had behaved toward Russia the way Trump has, and had her national security adviser been found hinting to the Russian ambassador to hold tight because a softer United States policy toward Russia was on its way.

House Speaker Paul Ryan and Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, what are you thinking by looking away from this travesty? You both know that if the C.I.A., N.S.A. and F.B.I. had concluded that the Russians had intervened to help Hillary Clinton get elected you would have closed the government and demanded a new election. Now it?s all O.K.? So you can get some tax cuts? Gens. Jim Mattis and John Kelly, our new secretaries of defense and homeland security, you are great patriots who both put your lives on the line in uniform to defend American values from precisely the kind of attack Putin perpetrated. Are you O.K. with what?s going on?

We need to rerun the tape. Ladies and gentlemen, we were attacked on Dec. 7, 1941, we were attacked on Sept. 11, 2001, and we were attacked on Nov. 8, 2016. That most recent attack didn?t involve a horrible loss of lives, but it was devastating in its own way. Our entire intelligence community concluded that Russia hacked our election by deliberately breaking into Democratic National Committee computers and then drip-by-drip funneling embarrassing emails through WikiLeaks to undermine Clinton?s campaign. And what have we done about it? Other than a wrist slap against Moscow, we?ve moved on.

That is not O.K.
 
Happiness said:
Trudeau is not a real man.  Any hesitancy to shake someone's hand is patently effeminate.  Girls give the WTF look when someone offers their hand.  Men don't behave that way.
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This is sarcasm, hopefully.
 
Perspective said:
Happiness said:
Trudeau is not a real man.  Any hesitancy to shake someone's hand is patently effeminate.  Girls give the WTF look when someone offers their hand.  Men don't behave that way.
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This is sarcasm, hopefully.
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that's actually classic trolling on his part - I like it :) 
 
This example is why no one believes all the other BS headlines. What is the point of making a 1300 word accusation that they admit is total speculation?
 
morekaos said:
This example is why no one believes all the other BS headlines. What is the point of making a 1300 word accusation that they admit is total speculation?
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Only read what you quoted, and the headline mentions "contacts" while the excerpt mentions "no cooperation." Why the outrage?
 
Because the headline implication is there was rampant collusion with Russian intelligence by Trump people.  This furthers the lefts accusations that the Russians unduly influenced the elections and feeds the undermining the legitimacy of this president. Then in the same story they admit they have no proof but make the accusation anyway.  This headline was all the news cycle saw and they ran with it.  The lie fed the news cycle the BS they spewed.
 
Here's the headline you quoted:

Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

This is pretty benign, and factually accurate.
 
In this environment its hardly benign and it was not only in the print, they sent that out as a flash breaking story on email and ap at 9:30 the night before.  It was released with intent to be the headline narrative for the morning news cycle...it worked.
 
:-\ This seems like Fake Outrage directed at Real News. I'd expect your reaction if the headline were more appropriately written as:

Reasons for Trump's Man Crush on the Russian Dictator Becoming Clearer

Now that's a sensationalized headline click baiting folks.
 
What's the end game with Russia?  Do we want them to get more hostile?  Do we want to escalate tensions?  Do we want war?  Do we want mutually assured destruction?  Do we want to try working with them?  Do the sanctions work or do they just add more fuel to the fire?

What should we do?  What can we do?  Tensions with Russia have been escalating for some time now.  Russia has been preparing it's citizens for war. 

 
spootieho said:
What's the end game with Russia?  Do we want them to get more hostile?  Do we want to escalate tensions?  Do we want war?  Do we want mutually assured destruction?  Do we want to try working with them?  Do the sanctions work or do they just add more fuel to the fire?

What should we do?  What can we do?  Tensions with Russia have been escalating for some time now.  Russia has been preparing it's citizens for war.
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Those are all fair questions we should be discussing. Do we need the flattery of the Russian dictatorship from POTUS?
 
morekaos said:
What a load of crap...fake headline that they admit in their own story lacks any proof. 

Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

But in the third paragraph....
"The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html
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There may have been no proven collusion in the hacking, but there certainly was contact to discuss other things (possibly the lifting of sanctions). Contact did happen and the headline is still true.

Negative news != fake news.
 
Perspective said:
spootieho said:
What's the end game with Russia?  Do we want them to get more hostile?  Do we want to escalate tensions?  Do we want war?  Do we want mutually assured destruction?  Do we want to try working with them?  Do the sanctions work or do they just add more fuel to the fire?

What should we do?  What can we do?  Tensions with Russia have been escalating for some time now.  Russia has been preparing it's citizens for war.
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Those are all fair questions we should be discussing. Do we need the flattery of the Russian dictatorship from POTUS?
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Possibly.  I don't know.  Maybe?  I'm not sure anything morally wrong was done.  I'm not properly educated on the matter.

Obama, in his last week, gave Russia one more spiteful jab.  You can argue that Russia deserved it, they probably did deserve it.  The timing of Obama's move, though, was very questionable.  IMO, he was playing a dangerous version of chess here. 
 
Maybe , just maybe , we are taking this " Enemy of my Enemy is My Friend " thing  too far

I mean we all know our country is bitterly divided and all the wounds are exposed for the entire world to see - but is a regime that

1) poisons dissidents
2) carpets bombs civilians including children's hospitals
3) annexes territory a la Saddam hussein
4) tightly controls media and what people can say

hold the possibility of being a friend for a true and diverse democracy like ours ?

Our allies are democracies like the UK, Australia, Germany not thuggish autocracies  like Russia

Maybe one day when Putin is out of power things will be different .  But for now , all we can do is maintain caution and remain extremely vigilant.
 
Those are good points. 

What road should we take? 
- Escalate tension and push for mutually assured destruction? 
- Work with them and see if we can resolve issues peacefully?
- Shut them out and not listen to them at all? 
- ??? suggestions please ???

I don't know.

Many thought that taking out Saddam was a good idea because he was so evil.  It turns out that he also kept order in a place full of chaos.  I'm not saying that Putin does that, but think about the consequences of escalating tension.

The media in the US has been hiding and disregarding Russia tensions for a while.  This summer tensions were very high.  It's very scary.  Russia was/is preparing for war.  If you push a wild animal into a corner what do you think might happen?  What happens if we push too far?

 
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