Portola High - more testing hearing

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irvinehomeowner said:
That's why qwertoxic is raising his kids on Tustin Legacy soil so that when he moves to the Great Park, they will be immune when they go to Portola High.

Hah!

Speaking of "due diligence", none of those links are relevant to what's going on here.  A messenger becomes irrelevant if the message itself is irrelevant.
 
IrvineRes88 said:
Did some more digging, incredible. ... cancer cluster near the site, this is from an operational site in the 1940s-1950s, so almost 65 years ago?!!  These residents lived near the toxic site, not on the toxic site.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/01/15/survey-blames-high-cancer-rate-on-coldwater-creek/

These things are hard to proof, it takes tragedies and many years before people start looking for answers,  by then the damage is done.

BTW, I notice some on this forum engage in personal attack, I am merely the messenger, I ask questions, learn what I feel is valuable from this forum and post what I learned on the subject to share. Anything else is irrelevant to me.

Personal attacks are the only refuge when your argument is weak.
 
IUSD?said that because there is 17 sites instead of the initial 10 sites to be tested?so the results will be delayed until mid May.
 
"because DTSC ?tends to be particularly protective of schools.?  does this mean that if it's not a school...they are less protective?

"to test for the presence and levels of petroleum hydrocarbons." was that the only toxic they were testing for, no other chemicals were used at the site?
 
Perspective said:
IrvineRes88 said:
Did some more digging, incredible. ... cancer cluster near the site, this is from an operational site in the 1940s-1950s, so almost 65 years ago?!!  These residents lived near the toxic site, not on the toxic site.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/01/15/survey-blames-high-cancer-rate-on-coldwater-creek/

These things are hard to proof, it takes tragedies and many years before people start looking for answers,  by then the damage is done.

BTW, I notice some on this forum engage in personal attack, I am merely the messenger, I ask questions, learn what I feel is valuable from this forum and post what I learned on the subject to share. Anything else is irrelevant to me.

Personal attacks are the only refuge when your argument is weak.

Except yo mama jokes
 
IrvineRes88 said:
BTW, I notice some on this forum engage in personal attack, I am merely the messenger,

Why is it that people like Yaliu, Gang Chen and IrvineRes88 always claim to be a mere messenger?  If you want us to take you seriously, please grow some balls and take ownership of your words.
 
Happiness said:
Why is it that people like Yaliu, Gang Chen and IrvineRes88 always claim to be a mere messenger?  If you want us to take you seriously, please grow some balls and take ownership of your words.

Because accountability, self-awareness, and credibility don't exist in their editions of Webster's Dictionary.
 
Since this thread had the latest post date:
Irvine Unified School District
Dear IUSD Community,

I am pleased to inform you that the Portola High School site has been affirmed safe by the California Department of Toxic Substance Control (DTSC).  Today, DTSC provided the District with the environmental site approval, also known as a ?No Further Action? notice.  This designation affirms the site is environmentally safe for students, families, staff and the community, and supports the 2014 and 2015 environmental site approvals previously granted by the DTSC.  To read the final report, click here.   

During this third series of testing, 17 additional locations were selected throughout the school site by DTSC with more than 100 tests conducted at two depths of five and 15 feet, which is the industry standard.  To date, more than 300 tests have been conducted at more than 100 locations site-wide.  Below is a map with the comprehensive test locations and information.

IUSD expected the final report at the end of April; however, during a March 22 Special Board Meeting, after hearing feedback from the public, the Board of Education requested that DTSC identify additional test locations beyond the eight the state agency initially selected.  The additional locations expanded the timeframe and the time needed for DTSC to review the data and make its own independent determination.

As explained by DTSC Division Chief Dot Lofstrom during the March 22 Special Board Meeting, there are three potential ?outcomes? of the confirmation soil sampling.  She explained that ?Outcome Two? is the current status of the site and that if the testing supports this status, no further action will be required of IUSD.  Chief Lofstrom stated: 

Outcome One

?One outcome is that all samples come back non-detect.  That means that no contaminants were discovered above the capabilities of our laboratory instruments to detect them.  In that case, the concerns described by me tonight would have been met by the District and no further action will be requested of the School District.?

Outcome Two

?A second outcome might be that contaminants are discovered but at very low concentrations.  So low as to constitute no health risk to occupants of the school.  That?s the current status of the site ? our current conceptual model that there are very low concentrations of some contaminants ? scattered areas underground.  These contaminants that do exist are sometimes as low as 600 times below the health concentrations, so I?m talking very low concentrations.

A few scattered concentrations of low level contaminants would confirm the current conceptual site model that there is no risk to future occupants of the school.  Very low levels of contaminants in the soil do not trigger cleanup requirements, because walking or running on a field, playing on the ground, or sitting inside rooms with concrete floors and walls do not result in any exposures that are a health concern.

In this case again, the concerns of DTSC would have been met and no further action will be requested of the School District.?

Outcome Three

?There is a third outcome, that is contaminants are present and at sufficiently high concentrations to have possible health impacts.  In that case, additional investigation will be required of the District.?

To view a video of Chief Lofstrom?s presentation during the March 22 public meeting, click here.

Chief Lofstrom and DTSC Geologist Dan Gallagher will join IUSD staff for a presentation to the Board of Education Tuesday, May 24 at 6:30 p.m. at the District Office.  The public is invited.  If you are unable to attend in person, you may view the meeting live on Cox channel 39 and AT&T U-verse channel 99.

For more information about the Portola High School site, including a comprehensive site history and District communications, please visit iusd.org/portolaconstruction.  See the following links for recent IUSD communications about the school site.

Portola High School Testing Update ? May 11, 2016
Portola High School Update ? April 29, 2016
IUSD Board Held 17th Public Meeting to Ensure Highest Standards for Portola High ? March 25, 2016
Portola High School Meeting Reminder and Procedures ? March 21, 2016
Portola High School Update and Public Meeting Notice ? March 17, 2016
Portola High School Update from Terry Walker ? March 4, 2016

Thank you for your support and engagement throughout this independent and rigorous process to ensure the Portola High School site is safe for our students, staff, families and community.  We look forward to welcoming the inaugural Portola High School freshman class this August and we share in the community?s excitement about this state-of-the-art educational facility that will be home to generations of Irvine students.

Sincerely,



Terry L. Walker
Superintendent of Schools, Irvine Unified School District

BOARD OF EDUCATION
PAUL BOKOTA  /  LAUREN BROOKS  /  IRA GLASKY  /  MICHAEL PARHAM  /  SHARON WALLIN

TERRY L. WALKER, Superintendent of Schools
JOHN FOGARTY, Assistant Superintendent, Business Services  /  BRIANNE FORD, Chief Technology Officer
EAMONN O?DONOVAN, Assistant Superintendent, Human Resources  /  CASSIE PARHAM, Assistant Superintendent, Education Services

IUSD . . . providing the highest quality educational experience we can envision.
 
WTTCHMN said:
abosch00 said:
Does anyone know if they did this level of testing and gave home buyers this much reassurance for beacon park?

No and no.

If you check the city records, there was a bunch of contaminated soil/area all over Beacon Park.  Of course they did the cleanup before beginning to build homes on top of it.

In PS, they only had a small localized patch which was cleaned up and the Irvine Company made sure NOT to build any homes on it. 

Notice how Irvine Company passed on building homes at Columbus Grove and the Great Park where they had contaminated soil, even though those communities could have brought them a lot of $$.  Irvine Company does not want to do harm to their very pristine reputation.

I think if you want your kids to go to the next best HS, then buy in PS.  Lot's of new communities coming up, current new community is selling well, and prices going up.  Wait until the new HS proves itself, prices are going to go up even higher.  Wished I had signed up to buy at one of the new PS homes...
 
IrvineNinja said:
WTTCHMN said:
abosch00 said:
Does anyone know if they did this level of testing and gave home buyers this much reassurance for beacon park?

No and no.

If you check the city records, there was a bunch of contaminated soil/area all over Beacon Park on top of which they built homes. 

At least in PS, they only had a small localized patch and the Irvine Company made sure NOT to build any homes on it.  Instead they put a park on it and did very expensive and extensive cleanup even though it was only a park. 

Notice how Irvine Company passed on building homes at Columbus Grove and the Great Park where they had contaminated soil, even though those communities could have brought them a lot of $$.  Irvine Company does not want to do harm to their very pristine reputation.

I think if you want your kids to go to the next best HS, then buy in PS.  Lot's of new communities coming up, current new community is selling well, and prices going up.  Wait until the new HS proves itself, prices are going to go up even higher.  Wished I had signed up to buy at one of the new PS homes...

Cressa sales have stalled.  Wonder how the others are doing?  Seems like it has slowed down.
 
IrvineNinja said:
WTTCHMN said:
abosch00 said:
Does anyone know if they did this level of testing and gave home buyers this much reassurance for beacon park?

No and no.

If you check the city records, there was a bunch of contaminated soil/area all over Beacon Park on top of which they built homes. 

At least in PS, they only had a small localized patch and the Irvine Company made sure NOT to build any homes on it.  Instead they put a park on it and did very expensive and extensive cleanup even though it was only a park. 

Notice how Irvine Company passed on building homes at Columbus Grove and the Great Park where they had contaminated soil, even though those communities could have brought them a lot of $$.  Irvine Company does not want to do harm to their very pristine reputation.

BUT - they STILL built a park on top of a contaminated site where kids and families play on every day.
 
Are you talking about the area in red that is North of Irvine Blvd?  Looks like they are building homes there.

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http://m.ocregister.com/articles/site-716673-soil-school.html

State toxics agency: Irvine's Portola High site is safe - The Orange County Register

May 20, 2016
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Updated 9:06 p.m.

By SARAH de CRESCENZO, STAFF WRITER ?
IRVINE ? A state agency that in March ordered additional soil and soil gas testing at the site of Irvine Unified School District?s future Portola High School has determined the site poses no risk to those who will study or work there.

A report issued this week by the Department of Toxic Substances Control said the tests ? prompted by community concerns over stained soil discovered at the site, once part of the former El Toro Marine base ? revealed traces of chemicals at levels ?well below? those that could cause harm.

The campus, which stretches about 40 acres at the northeast side of the Orange County Great Park, will eventually enroll as many as 2,600 students in grades 9 through 12. The Portola High freshman class ? about 400 students are expected to enroll ? is slated to kick off its first year Aug. 24.

?We?re happy there?s a conclusion to the report and hopefully that will put to rest any kind of concern that a few of our community members might have had,? John Pehrson, principal of Portola High, said on Friday.

Pehrson, who was previously principal at University High School, said the testing hasn?t affected preparations for the opening of the school, the district?s fifth comprehensive high school.

?To be quite honest, what?s been going on in the site along these lines hasn?t caused us to lose any focus,? he said. ?We haven?t received a whole lot of concern from our parent constituents here.?

The report, finalized Tuesday and shared online by Irvine Unified late Thursday, summarizes the latest round of testing done of the soil and soil gas ? the air in the spaces between soil ? at the site. In total, 109 new samples were taken, at depths of up to 15 feet, the report states.

No petroleum hydrocarbons were detected in the soil samples. Low levels of volatile organic compounds were detected in the soil gas samples. The concentrations in which the compounds were found were similar to the levels found in previous testing done at the site, according to the report.

At those levels, the compounds wouldn?t pose a risk to people or the environment even if the site was used for housing, the report states.

Dozens of people packed a school board meeting in late March about the additional testing ordered earlier that month by the state?s toxics regulator. In response to residents? pleas for more tests than initially proposed, the school board voted to increase the number of sites that would be tested.

Irvine resident Harvey Liss, who has written extensively about his concerns over potential contamination at the school site in the Irvine Community News & Views, a monthly community newspaper co-owned by longtime Irvine politician Larry Agran, said Friday he remains unconvinced of the site?s safety.

?The contamination is clearly site-wide and the sources, which would have higher concentrations of these contaminants, have not been found,? Liss said.

The report from the state agency concludes that the likely source of the compounds detected in the soil gas is recycled irrigation water.

Liss said that doesn?t comport with the 2014 discovery of a deposit of soil stained with such compounds at the northern side of the site.

The report will discussed at a school board meeting 6:30 p.m. Tuesday at Irvine Unified headquarters, 5050 Barranca Parkway in Irvine.

Contact the writer: sdecrescenzo@ocregister.com
 
aquabliss said:
Are you talking about the area in red that is North of Irvine Blvd?  Looks like they are building homes there.

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That looks like the new Great Park Neighborhood coming up (by 5 Points developer).  Not sure if they will be building homes or not on top of the red area although the cleanup and inspection should already be done on it.

I am not against buying in the 5 points communities.  I like Beacon Park.  I think they have a lot of very nice homes and they wouldn't get funding from the banks for the community if there were any problems (the bank will do their due diligence before lending.)

I will buy either in PS or BP.  Just deciding which one.  Depends on the price and location of the lot.
 
Re:  Cressa

Some plan 1s are still for sale but no plan 2s or 3s.  I think the prices are so close to each other that people would rather go for the bigger plan 2s and 3s than the plan 1 for the similar price. Also, the plan 2s and 3s each have a loft in addition to the 4 bedrooms, which is something a lot of buyers seem to be looking for.  The plan 1 has a desk area upstairs but no loft.  I would really like to get a plan 2 or 3 but did not phone in when the list opened up.  Maybe if it is really stalling then I had better get myself in their and sign up. :)

I would consider a plan 1 which is cheaper compared to other sfr with true driveway, after the upgrades have been selected and included for the same price.  ie after the construction cutoff dates and upgrade deadlines for the property.  Now that would be a great deal.

After I sign up at PS, I will still be looking at both BP and PS  to try to get the best deal and location but either way want to buy before the new HS opens up.  I remember how things went down when Northwood HS was opening and how the homes were pretty cheap in NW Point until Northwood HS earned itself a great reputation.  I wish I had bought in that community then, and now I don't plan to miss the boat on this coming new HS. :)
 
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