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[quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1224108436][quote author="acpme" date=1224074986]blackacre, you've never been contentious on the forums before so i'm not going to make personal attacks. i've never gotten the impression you're anything but a decent human being so i agree that's a bit far-fetched for people to make you out as some sort of monster.
although i DO think you're being a bit stubborn and trying to play the victim. its not that anyone is trying to change your opinion. i think we all understand how people might not feel a lot of sympathy if angelo mozillo's house burned down, and yet some people might find harboring such feelings in poor taste no matter who or what he's done. but i don't think what set people off is the great philosophical debate about society's ill-well vs forgiveness toward bad people.
at least for me, i'm still baffled at HOW you came to apply your particular opinion to this particular this situation and neighborhood... and why you conveniently ignored half a dozen posts by people who tried explaining the character of the neighborhood.
if it turns out that people in the neighborhood are not:
1) millionaires only losing one of multiple million dollar mansions
2) able to afford to waiting out a potential disaster at the ritz carlton
3) people who made their fortunes by flipping houses, underwriting bad mortgages, and cheating investors
... would you still not feel remorse for their situation?</blockquote>
I think I may regret stepping in, but . . .
There were ways to read both BA's and round corners' original posts that expressed a POV that, while poorly worded, were not evil.
For example, when RC said that he/she "loved" the comments at the OCR, I read the "loved" as sarcastic, and not as agreement. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall RC being the "bring on the class warfare" type.
Nor do I recall BA as a bomb-thrower. As for BA's original post, I took it as a quickly drafted point that while well off people do suffer from a fire, so long as the damage extends only to property their economic cushion allows them to be, what I will call, "up to their knees" in suffering. It is sad, inconvenient, and something that no one wants to go through. Contrasting that to someone of small economic means who under the same circumstances would be "up to their shoulders" in suffering because they may not have the money to move into a hotel, go buy some new clothes, and afford to eat out while their home or apartment is being reconstructed. I may be wrong, but I read BA's original post as "well, it could be worse, as these are people of means."
May I suggest that unless a person has a history of being obnoxious that we all ask for clarification of a shocking statement before casting aspersions? Seek first to understand, and all.</blockquote>
Eva,
Your comment about the OC Register, may very well be correct. However, RC's statement saying "Yippee" <em>I thought Newport Coast was on fire</em>, was really the disturbing comment. I think it's pretty safe to say people in Newport Coast have more money (generally) than residents of Spyglass /Port Streets. Even knowing that, I still wouldn't ever celebrate a fire in their neighborhood. Can some people in Newport Coast afford to re-build--YES. Does that mean it doesnt matter for them to lose babybooks, family heirlooms, or worse a pet or family member, in a fire--NO. Saying "yippee" to a neighborhood on fire is what is the issue here. Blackacre--instead of suggesting Psychiatrists to TR4, take a look at RC--celebrating fires, and talking about poverty in Africa? Who is this guy?
although i DO think you're being a bit stubborn and trying to play the victim. its not that anyone is trying to change your opinion. i think we all understand how people might not feel a lot of sympathy if angelo mozillo's house burned down, and yet some people might find harboring such feelings in poor taste no matter who or what he's done. but i don't think what set people off is the great philosophical debate about society's ill-well vs forgiveness toward bad people.
at least for me, i'm still baffled at HOW you came to apply your particular opinion to this particular this situation and neighborhood... and why you conveniently ignored half a dozen posts by people who tried explaining the character of the neighborhood.
if it turns out that people in the neighborhood are not:
1) millionaires only losing one of multiple million dollar mansions
2) able to afford to waiting out a potential disaster at the ritz carlton
3) people who made their fortunes by flipping houses, underwriting bad mortgages, and cheating investors
... would you still not feel remorse for their situation?</blockquote>
I think I may regret stepping in, but . . .
There were ways to read both BA's and round corners' original posts that expressed a POV that, while poorly worded, were not evil.
For example, when RC said that he/she "loved" the comments at the OCR, I read the "loved" as sarcastic, and not as agreement. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall RC being the "bring on the class warfare" type.
Nor do I recall BA as a bomb-thrower. As for BA's original post, I took it as a quickly drafted point that while well off people do suffer from a fire, so long as the damage extends only to property their economic cushion allows them to be, what I will call, "up to their knees" in suffering. It is sad, inconvenient, and something that no one wants to go through. Contrasting that to someone of small economic means who under the same circumstances would be "up to their shoulders" in suffering because they may not have the money to move into a hotel, go buy some new clothes, and afford to eat out while their home or apartment is being reconstructed. I may be wrong, but I read BA's original post as "well, it could be worse, as these are people of means."
May I suggest that unless a person has a history of being obnoxious that we all ask for clarification of a shocking statement before casting aspersions? Seek first to understand, and all.</blockquote>
Eva,
Your comment about the OC Register, may very well be correct. However, RC's statement saying "Yippee" <em>I thought Newport Coast was on fire</em>, was really the disturbing comment. I think it's pretty safe to say people in Newport Coast have more money (generally) than residents of Spyglass /Port Streets. Even knowing that, I still wouldn't ever celebrate a fire in their neighborhood. Can some people in Newport Coast afford to re-build--YES. Does that mean it doesnt matter for them to lose babybooks, family heirlooms, or worse a pet or family member, in a fire--NO. Saying "yippee" to a neighborhood on fire is what is the issue here. Blackacre--instead of suggesting Psychiatrists to TR4, take a look at RC--celebrating fires, and talking about poverty in Africa? Who is this guy?
but...for those of us that have multiple friends in the area, and know how they got where they are, it was a shocking, ruthless, and uneducated post on blackacre's part.
