graphrix said:
Okay... lets do the break down compared to N. Tustin.
1 - Irvine is more culturally diverse than your city
No really it is not. There is plenty of ethnic diversity in N. Tustin, and there are plenty of restaurants that prove this. You can get Korean BBQ, Pho, some awesome Japanese food, one of the top restaurants in Black Sheep, and the best Italian food in OC in Tustin. You can and can't get that Irvine.
I'm no expert on N. Tustin but I didn't realize there was so much ethnic diversity there. There is also plenty of good Korean BBQ, Pho, and Japanese food in Irvine. Along with Indian, Persian, Chinese, Mexican, Greek restaurants etc. The "best" of anything will probably be where the large ethnic shopping/restauants are.. perhaps Rowland Heights, or Pioneer or K-Town. The city of Irvine also has a
Global Village festival each year. I'm not convinced N. Tustin has more cultural diversity compared to Irvine.
2 - Irvine has better schools
Says the parent who is codependent on the school making their kid better. It's about the parent stupid, not the school. I grew up in a high school where the parents loved that their kids went there, only to become complete and total f*ck ups. Ask me about the time the golden child had to get the fax machine down from the shelf of office depot for me. The kid will either excel or become a heroin addict from the pressure of their peers. If you don't think this will happen to your kid, then you are living in the false reality that the same parent whose kid stole the car of a "friend" in the high school parking lot for a fix that happened to them.
Are you implying that the schools in N. Tustin are better than those in Irvine? One measure of how 'good' a school is in comparison to another school, is the API and the IUSD
does extremely well here compared to other districts in Orange County.
3 - Irvine has better neighborhoods
How so? This is a loaded and opinion based question. More details please. As far as I know most Irvine neighbors keep to themselves, and you will never see them. Unless your neighbor is CK, and he steals you beer because he needs to make up for Deuce stealing his.
Yes, this is a loaded question and from the article it still isn't clear to me what is meant by better neighborhoods: a place where things are within walking distance? offering lots of amenities and programs? fostering a sense of community?
When I read the heading, I thought about well planned neighborhoods. I think that Irvine does have well planned neighborhoods with pockets parks, retail, schools located pretty close to the residents. thank you bk!
It isn't just Irvine neighbors that keep to themselves. This happens in all cities here. There are some neighborhoods in OC where everyone shuts down the street to have a neighborhood BBQ on Memorial Day, July 4th, Labor Day and where everyone (not just one or two homes on the street) decorates their home with lights during Christmas, etc. Those are treasured neighborhoods and are unfortunately not the norm anymore. Are there any neighborhoods like this in Irvine? in N. Tustin?
4 - Irvine has superior housing
Irvine housing is crap. You have small lots, and you are restricted by the CC&Rs on what you can do. Meaning you are stuck with an inferior and cheaply built stucco box from a mass producing builder. Many of which have or will go BK. Let me know how that mold issue is in ten years. You can't do what you want in Irvine, and you will never have the quality of a home in N. Tustin from someone who cares and knows construction.
Are you comparing a mass produced tract stucco home in Irvine (and most everywhere in the county) with a custom? home in N. Tustin?
bk has mentioned several times that architects and planners from all over the world travel to Irvine to study the newest floorplans.
5 - Irvine has more parks and open space
Says who? There is plenty of open space in N. Tustin, more that will ever be advertised. Can you say Peter's canyon? Those parks and tot lots are just minutes away. And I will thank you every day I visit Peter's canyon and the parks for you paying for them in your mello roos. Sucker!
My Mello Roos are paying for your park?! Damn it! Well, I guess I'm glad I take advantage of Peter's Canyon too
All the marketing collateral I've seen over the last 15 years has gone on and on about how much open space there is in Irvine. Is it all a lie?
There are
plenty of parks and open space in Irvine. Do other cities have more?
6 - Irvine has better streets
Huh? You mean they are well paved? Awesome... that means the FOBs in their rice rockets can rear end you at 120 MPH because the streets are smooth. Good point.
I like the wide streets and the high speed limits on them. If it weren't for that, it would take so much longer than it already does to get around.
7 - Irvine has a more progressive government
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. They suck any developers &*^% that makes them look better. Go ahead, do a google search of Ray Watson, the BJs are free flowing. They got a STD when they gave the go ahead for the high rise developments like CPW.
What is meant by progressive government? The article states "96 percent of Irvine residents said they were pleased or very pleased with the community and the services we provide to them" and that parks, streets, sidewalks, and trees are constantly maintained. ???
8 - Irvine has bigger corporations and more jobs
Who? UCI? They are the biggest employer. Have you heard about the layoffs at Fluor? How about the industrial space market imploding? Gawd help Irvine, it is suffering as bad as any other "job center" in OC, and in fact it is worse.
The article mentions Broadcom, Conexant, St. John Knits, O'Neill, Claim Jumper, Taco Bell, Edwards Lifesciences, and Standard Pacific. Does N. Tustin have a bunch of corporations and jobs?
9 - Irvine has its own transit system
Yup, it's called your car. Has anyone on IHB ever taken the bus in Irvine. No... seriously... anyone?
No, never in Irvine. Does N. Tustin have its own transit system?
Point 9 has to do with the iShuttle or whatever system. I've never met anyone who has used that system and I work right in the area it serves.
10 - Irvine is safer than your city
BS, you live in your bubble, and you chose to not see what is happening. Fine. throw out the crime stats for 92705, but they are skewed from the parts that are just off Tustin Ave. When in reality it is just as safe, and not safer than Irvine because much of the crime stats are hidden and even tossed over to 92705.
The only point you have that makes Irvine better, and it is a matter of opinion, is Irvine has sidewalks... ewe... I'm so excited. Again, thanks for paying for the mello roos so I can enjoy many of the things you pay for, for free.
So the crime stats are fudged to make Irvine look safer than other cities? Irvine pwns the FBI? Go Bren! or go Agran! Or is it Bragran?!
In 2007, Irvine had a total of 143 incidents of murder, rape, robbery, and assault. Costa Mesa, with half as many residents, had almost twice as many violent crimes. Huntington Beach with the same size population had 2? times as many. Garden Grove, with three-quarters of Irvine?s population, had more than four times as many violent crimes.
