joeldo_IHB
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Does anyone have a link to the Orange Coast magazine article from last year describing Irvine as such a great place? It was like the 10 reasons Irvine is better than where you live, something like that. Thanks!
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irvine_home_owner_IHB
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I have a black belt in Internet-Fu:
<a href="http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372">http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372</a>
BTW: Sunday's OC Register article rates the IUSD High School district as #1 again. All of the Irvine high schools were in the top 14... and Northwood actually beat University this year.
<a href="http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372">http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372</a>
BTW: Sunday's OC Register article rates the IUSD High School district as #1 again. All of the Irvine high schools were in the top 14... and Northwood actually beat University this year.
Mcdonna1980_IHB
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[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1243908154]and Northwood actually beat University this year.</blockquote>
Of course it did. Gotta sell those homes in Portola Springs.
Of course it did. Gotta sell those homes in Portola Springs.
bkshopr_IHB
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[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1243908154]I have a black belt in Internet-Fu:
<a href="http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372">http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372</a>
BTW: Sunday's OC Register article rates the IUSD High School district as #1 again. All of the Irvine high schools were in the top 14... and Northwood actually beat University this year.</blockquote>
Orange Coast Magazine similar to OC Metro are 2 magazines who suck up to corporate sponsorship. I have written about them before nothing but marketing craps targeting the naives. OC Register is also another one struggling and tends to favor corporate sponsorships. It is the mother company to Irvine Worlds news.
LA Times Orange County is a lot more reliable as a source.
Believe it or not OC Weekly is quite impartial and do present a point of view that is honest but its complimentary circulation racks were not permitted in many retail centers.
The writing in the Orange Coast articles are too scripted and I do recognize and have seen the exact phrases in other PR campaigns.
<a href="http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372">http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372</a>
BTW: Sunday's OC Register article rates the IUSD High School district as #1 again. All of the Irvine high schools were in the top 14... and Northwood actually beat University this year.</blockquote>
Orange Coast Magazine similar to OC Metro are 2 magazines who suck up to corporate sponsorship. I have written about them before nothing but marketing craps targeting the naives. OC Register is also another one struggling and tends to favor corporate sponsorships. It is the mother company to Irvine Worlds news.
LA Times Orange County is a lot more reliable as a source.
Believe it or not OC Weekly is quite impartial and do present a point of view that is honest but its complimentary circulation racks were not permitted in many retail centers.
The writing in the Orange Coast articles are too scripted and I do recognize and have seen the exact phrases in other PR campaigns.
Mcdonna1980_IHB
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[quote author="bkshopr" date=1243935384][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1243908154]I have a black belt in Internet-Fu:
<a href="http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372">http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372</a>
BTW: Sunday's OC Register article rates the IUSD High School district as #1 again. All of the Irvine high schools were in the top 14... and Northwood actually beat University this year.</blockquote>
Orange Coast Magazine similar to OC Metro are 2 magazines who suck up to corporate sponsorship. I have written about them before nothing but marketing craps targeting the naives. OC Register is also another one struggling and tends to favor corporate sponsorships. It is the mother company to Irvine Worlds news.
LA Times Orange County is a lot more reliable as a source.
Believe it or not OC Weekly is quite impartial and do present a point of view that is honest but its complimentary circulation racks were not permitted in many retail centers.
The writing in the Orange Coast articles are too scripted and I do recognize and have seen the exact phrases in other PR campaigns.</blockquote>
This is so true. My company is always getting contacted by "research firms" that want to interview our company for articles in the OC Coast Magazine. Of course, there if always some $5,000 fee for the "research" company's time.
<a href="http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372">http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372</a>
BTW: Sunday's OC Register article rates the IUSD High School district as #1 again. All of the Irvine high schools were in the top 14... and Northwood actually beat University this year.</blockquote>
Orange Coast Magazine similar to OC Metro are 2 magazines who suck up to corporate sponsorship. I have written about them before nothing but marketing craps targeting the naives. OC Register is also another one struggling and tends to favor corporate sponsorships. It is the mother company to Irvine Worlds news.
LA Times Orange County is a lot more reliable as a source.
Believe it or not OC Weekly is quite impartial and do present a point of view that is honest but its complimentary circulation racks were not permitted in many retail centers.
The writing in the Orange Coast articles are too scripted and I do recognize and have seen the exact phrases in other PR campaigns.</blockquote>
This is so true. My company is always getting contacted by "research firms" that want to interview our company for articles in the OC Coast Magazine. Of course, there if always some $5,000 fee for the "research" company's time.
bkshopr_IHB
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[quote author="Mcdonna1980" date=1243936174][quote author="bkshopr" date=1243935384][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1243908154]I have a black belt in Internet-Fu:
<a href="http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372">http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372</a>
BTW: Sunday's OC Register article rates the IUSD High School district as #1 again. All of the Irvine high schools were in the top 14... and Northwood actually beat University this year.</blockquote>
Orange Coast Magazine similar to OC Metro are 2 magazines who suck up to corporate sponsorship. I have written about them before nothing but marketing craps targeting the naives. OC Register is also another one struggling and tends to favor corporate sponsorships. It is the mother company to Irvine Worlds news.
LA Times Orange County is a lot more reliable as a source.
Believe it or not OC Weekly is quite impartial and do present a point of view that is honest but its complimentary circulation racks were not permitted in many retail centers.
The writing in the Orange Coast articles are too scripted and I do recognize and have seen the exact phrases in other PR campaigns.</blockquote>
This is so true. My company is always getting contacted by "research firms" that want to interview our company for articles in the OC Coast Magazine. Of course, there if always some $5,000 fee for the "research" company's time.</blockquote>
I know. I have been there and done it. Irvine has censorship that could rival the Chinese government.
<a href="http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372">http://www.orangecoastmagazine.com/article2.aspx?id=10372</a>
BTW: Sunday's OC Register article rates the IUSD High School district as #1 again. All of the Irvine high schools were in the top 14... and Northwood actually beat University this year.</blockquote>
Orange Coast Magazine similar to OC Metro are 2 magazines who suck up to corporate sponsorship. I have written about them before nothing but marketing craps targeting the naives. OC Register is also another one struggling and tends to favor corporate sponsorships. It is the mother company to Irvine Worlds news.
LA Times Orange County is a lot more reliable as a source.
Believe it or not OC Weekly is quite impartial and do present a point of view that is honest but its complimentary circulation racks were not permitted in many retail centers.
The writing in the Orange Coast articles are too scripted and I do recognize and have seen the exact phrases in other PR campaigns.</blockquote>
This is so true. My company is always getting contacted by "research firms" that want to interview our company for articles in the OC Coast Magazine. Of course, there if always some $5,000 fee for the "research" company's time.</blockquote>
I know. I have been there and done it. Irvine has censorship that could rival the Chinese government.
Mcdonna1980_IHB
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May's article on the OC's "best places to live"was pretty good. Bk, you would like it minus the Irvine part. It detail the old rail road towns of Orange County- Fullerton, Santa Ana, Old Town Orange, San Juan Capistrano. Then Irvine was awkwardly thrown into the mix. They tried to justify the fit by saying it was the up and coming rail road city. Whatever.
bkshopr_IHB
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[quote author="Mcdonna1980" date=1243936847]May's article on the OC's "best places to live"was pretty good. Bk, you would like it minus the Irvine part. It detail the old rail road towns of Orange County- Fullerton, Santa Ana, Old Town Orange, San Juan Capistrano. Then Irvine was awkwardly thrown into the mix. They tried to justify the fit by saying it was the up and coming rail road city. Whatever.</blockquote>
The publisher receive $$$ and columnist did get commission for writing about Irvine. It is the newspaper way of disguising an infomercial by presenting other interesting facts and trivia but awkwardly threw in another irrelevant city into the fill in the blank space. It was an insult to our intelligence trying to promote Irvine as a mass transit friendly city. Give me a break! The fill in the blank space is a way to provide a base template and pitch to other cities along the rail line willing to pay for the advertising fee.
Columnists often write about these template articles and promote to the interested parties willing to pay for the fee.
Website companies also have preset templates to sell to their clients too.
The publisher receive $$$ and columnist did get commission for writing about Irvine. It is the newspaper way of disguising an infomercial by presenting other interesting facts and trivia but awkwardly threw in another irrelevant city into the fill in the blank space. It was an insult to our intelligence trying to promote Irvine as a mass transit friendly city. Give me a break! The fill in the blank space is a way to provide a base template and pitch to other cities along the rail line willing to pay for the advertising fee.
Columnists often write about these template articles and promote to the interested parties willing to pay for the fee.
Website companies also have preset templates to sell to their clients too.
caycifish_IHB
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[quote author="Mcdonna1980" date=1243936847]May's article on the OC's "best places to live"was pretty good. Bk, you would like it minus the Irvine part. It detail the old rail road towns of Orange County- Fullerton, Santa Ana, Old Town Orange, San Juan Capistrano. Then Irvine was awkwardly thrown into the mix. They tried to justify the fit by saying it was the up and coming rail road city. Whatever.</blockquote>
I noticed the exact same thing! I was reading about the "walkable" cities, and then friggin' Irvine is thrown in at the end as the new hawtness of sustainable and walkable. It seemed really out of place with even the theme of the writing about the other cities. The "voice" seemed different, like before I was learning about these cities and then I turned a page to an advertisement for Irvine.
Whatever, indeed.
I noticed the exact same thing! I was reading about the "walkable" cities, and then friggin' Irvine is thrown in at the end as the new hawtness of sustainable and walkable. It seemed really out of place with even the theme of the writing about the other cities. The "voice" seemed different, like before I was learning about these cities and then I turned a page to an advertisement for Irvine.
Whatever, indeed.
bkshopr_IHB
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<img src="http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/IMZ/IMZ256/businessman-walking-through_~bul0043.jpg" alt="" />
It is fun walking in Irvine. Tmare loves this:
It is fun walking in Irvine. Tmare loves this:
Mcdonna1980_IHB
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The more I see Irvine advertised, the more I dislike it.
<img src="http://www.formfunctionemotion.net/i/rat_in_maze.jpg" alt="" />
How do I get out of here?
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How do I get out of here?
caycifish_IHB
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[quote author="Mcdonna1980" date=1243941669]The more I see Irvine advertised, the more I dislike it.
<img src="http://www.formfunctionemotion.net/i/rat_in_maze.jpg" alt="" />
How do I get out of here?</blockquote>
It's the curse of the Yale Loop.
<img src="http://www.formfunctionemotion.net/i/rat_in_maze.jpg" alt="" />
How do I get out of here?</blockquote>
It's the curse of the Yale Loop.
usctrojanman29_IHB
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[quote author="caycifish" date=1243941817][quote author="Mcdonna1980" date=1243941669]The more I see Irvine advertised, the more I dislike it.
<img src="http://www.formfunctionemotion.net/i/rat_in_maze.jpg" alt="" />
How do I get out of here?</blockquote>
It's the curse of the Yale Loop.</blockquote>
It took me weeks working at the Dominos on Michelson to master that Yale Loop, I think I could drive through it blind folded now (guess you could say I'm a trained mouse). haha
<img src="http://www.formfunctionemotion.net/i/rat_in_maze.jpg" alt="" />
How do I get out of here?</blockquote>
It's the curse of the Yale Loop.</blockquote>
It took me weeks working at the Dominos on Michelson to master that Yale Loop, I think I could drive through it blind folded now (guess you could say I'm a trained mouse). haha
bkshopr_IHB
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Irvine's master plan structure does however appeal to population who needs to follow orders and rules. Asian societies especially are based on the caste system and layered with well defined social and economic strata would find a precisely and regimented design is far more superior to the picturesque layout.
For most Asians, aside from school and safety; function, practicality, and a sense of order are paramount in their home selection. Most often the artistry and aesthetic are at the bottom of their list.
The efficiency of wide and straight roads, equidistant and parallel sidewalks with strict repetition of trees also is ideal in eliminating potential driving hazards and enhances visibility.
Most Asians prefer an engineered blending community than a spontaneous eclectic neighborhood that expresses individuality.
Without landmark identities at street intersections we are not able to identify easily our frame of reference and this is why we get disoriented with direction.
Most Asians are very good in solving math puzzles may be this is the reason they find Irvine's repetitive street pattern good for them.
For most Asians, aside from school and safety; function, practicality, and a sense of order are paramount in their home selection. Most often the artistry and aesthetic are at the bottom of their list.
The efficiency of wide and straight roads, equidistant and parallel sidewalks with strict repetition of trees also is ideal in eliminating potential driving hazards and enhances visibility.
Most Asians prefer an engineered blending community than a spontaneous eclectic neighborhood that expresses individuality.
Without landmark identities at street intersections we are not able to identify easily our frame of reference and this is why we get disoriented with direction.
Most Asians are very good in solving math puzzles may be this is the reason they find Irvine's repetitive street pattern good for them.
irvine_home_owner_IHB
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Hehe... funny... I actually thought the maze of some of Irvine's streets were bad for Asian drivers... actually all drivers (I don't know how many times I've been asked directions in Irvine(.
no_vaseline_IHB
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[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1243950806]Hehe... funny... I actually thought the maze of some of Irvine's streets were bad for Asian drivers... actually all drivers (I don't know how many times I've been asked directions in Irvine(.</blockquote>
Spend $200 and buy nav. I got my 'Rents a Magellen. It was 40% the price of my Alpine I bought 2 years ago, and while they have the same functions (they both work as navs) it's software is way less 'buggy'.
I just called my Mom and she hates it. :<
Spend $200 and buy nav. I got my 'Rents a Magellen. It was 40% the price of my Alpine I bought 2 years ago, and while they have the same functions (they both work as navs) it's software is way less 'buggy'.
I just called my Mom and she hates it. :<
irvine_home_owner_IHB
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I'm not too sure about this journalism propaganda... is there anything really untrue about this list?
1 - Irvine is more culturally diverse than your city
2 - Irvine has better schools
3 - Irvine has better neighborhoods
4 - Irvine has superior housing
5 - Irvine has more parks and open space
6 - Irvine has better streets
7 - Irvine has a more progressive government
8 - Irvine has bigger corporations and more jobs
9 - Irvine has its own transit system
10 - Irvine is safer than your city
Okay... well maybe only a few of those are actually true... like number 5 and number 8. Heh.
And about school scores... I don't think OC Register is necessarily pro-Irvine... they are the parent company of almost every local paper now, not just the Irvine World News. If they were so pro-Irvine... their school reports would not use actual API scores and stuff to rate them... and Irvine high schools would be places 1-5 instead of 3,4 and so forth.
Man... stop hating... and start appreciating.
1 - Irvine is more culturally diverse than your city
2 - Irvine has better schools
3 - Irvine has better neighborhoods
4 - Irvine has superior housing
5 - Irvine has more parks and open space
6 - Irvine has better streets
7 - Irvine has a more progressive government
8 - Irvine has bigger corporations and more jobs
9 - Irvine has its own transit system
10 - Irvine is safer than your city
Okay... well maybe only a few of those are actually true... like number 5 and number 8. Heh.
And about school scores... I don't think OC Register is necessarily pro-Irvine... they are the parent company of almost every local paper now, not just the Irvine World News. If they were so pro-Irvine... their school reports would not use actual API scores and stuff to rate them... and Irvine high schools would be places 1-5 instead of 3,4 and so forth.
Man... stop hating... and start appreciating.
zovall_IHB
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[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1243980335]I'm not too sure about this journalism propaganda... is there anything really untrue about this list?
1 - Irvine is more culturally diverse than your city
2 - Irvine has better schools
3 - Irvine has better neighborhoods
4 - Irvine has superior housing
5 - Irvine has more parks and open space
6 - Irvine has better streets
7 - Irvine has a more progressive government
8 - Irvine has bigger corporations and more jobs
9 - Irvine has its own transit system
10 - Irvine is safer than your city
Okay... well maybe only a few of those are actually true... like number 5 and number 8. Heh.
And about school scores... I don't think OC Register is necessarily pro-Irvine... they are the parent company of almost every local paper now, not just the Irvine World News. If they were so pro-Irvine... their school reports would not use actual API scores and stuff to rate them... and Irvine high schools would be places 1-5 instead of 3,4 and so forth.
Man... stop hating... and start appreciating.</blockquote>
Hey iho, bk, anyone else... which ones are actually false? ;-)
1 - Irvine is more culturally diverse than your city
2 - Irvine has better schools
3 - Irvine has better neighborhoods
4 - Irvine has superior housing
5 - Irvine has more parks and open space
6 - Irvine has better streets
7 - Irvine has a more progressive government
8 - Irvine has bigger corporations and more jobs
9 - Irvine has its own transit system
10 - Irvine is safer than your city
Okay... well maybe only a few of those are actually true... like number 5 and number 8. Heh.
And about school scores... I don't think OC Register is necessarily pro-Irvine... they are the parent company of almost every local paper now, not just the Irvine World News. If they were so pro-Irvine... their school reports would not use actual API scores and stuff to rate them... and Irvine high schools would be places 1-5 instead of 3,4 and so forth.
Man... stop hating... and start appreciating.</blockquote>
Hey iho, bk, anyone else... which ones are actually false? ;-)
irvine_home_owner_IHB
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[quote author="zovall" date=1243985495]
Hey iho, bk, anyone else... which ones are actually false? ;-)</blockquote>
Well... I would think bk (and graph and many others) would say number 4... but the article was interesting if you read it:
<em>
Some people disguise their deep-seated resentment of Irvine by mocking its sometimes bland architectural surface. Not enough innovation or variety, they say. Too much stucco! But, in fact, a residential design revolution took place in this city in the third quarter of the 20th century. The movement started in the 1960s when Ray Watson, The Irvine Company?s chief in-house planner, decreed that nothing would be built on the ranch that wasn?t designed by an architect.
?That was a monumental decision,? says Walt Richardson, founder of RNM Architects and the dean of Orange County residential designers. ?Up till that time, anyone could design a tract house. Builders sketched them out on napkins. Ray deserves tremendous credit for upgrading residential design here.?
Like Watson, many of the early architects who designed homes in Irvine were trained at the University of California, Berkeley, where they were captivated by the designs of San Francisco architect and social visionary Joseph Eichler. Eichler?s homes emphasized open floor plans with lots of glass that integrated the domestic and natural worlds, and the houses going up in Irvine in the 1970s reflected his inspiration. Little boxlike rooms connected by narrow doorways were replaced by the spacious, flowing interiors many Irvine residents take for granted.
?The residential design ideas that came out of here spread all over the country and the world,? says Richardson. ?Throughout the 1970s and ?80s, builders came here on pilgrimages to see what we were doing and take our concepts back to Arizona and Texas, and Florida and the East Coast. And it is still going on.?
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I guess bk can confirm whether or not this is really true... but to the average noob like myself... it's like "Really? Cool!"
Number 1 is suspect too... but of course you're going to win that if you compare Irvine ethnicities to Newport Beach and Yorba Linda (which they did with a graph). I can confirm the Newport Beach comparison... just go to Irvine Spectrum and then to Fashion Island. Irvine loses though to non-OC cities... I ventured beyond the Orange Curtain during Memorial Day weekend (bk gasps!) and the CityWalk has waaaay more diversity than Irvine Spectrum... although much less of the fair-skinned demographic.
I think much of the list is true on some level... and if you take that as a whole and compare it to any other city in Orange County... you might find that Irvine wins many of those comparisons.
Here's an IHB challenge... find an OC city that beats Irvine on the majority of those features listed (this will probably end up being a subjective war but it will be fun).
Hey iho, bk, anyone else... which ones are actually false? ;-)</blockquote>
Well... I would think bk (and graph and many others) would say number 4... but the article was interesting if you read it:
<em>
Some people disguise their deep-seated resentment of Irvine by mocking its sometimes bland architectural surface. Not enough innovation or variety, they say. Too much stucco! But, in fact, a residential design revolution took place in this city in the third quarter of the 20th century. The movement started in the 1960s when Ray Watson, The Irvine Company?s chief in-house planner, decreed that nothing would be built on the ranch that wasn?t designed by an architect.
?That was a monumental decision,? says Walt Richardson, founder of RNM Architects and the dean of Orange County residential designers. ?Up till that time, anyone could design a tract house. Builders sketched them out on napkins. Ray deserves tremendous credit for upgrading residential design here.?
Like Watson, many of the early architects who designed homes in Irvine were trained at the University of California, Berkeley, where they were captivated by the designs of San Francisco architect and social visionary Joseph Eichler. Eichler?s homes emphasized open floor plans with lots of glass that integrated the domestic and natural worlds, and the houses going up in Irvine in the 1970s reflected his inspiration. Little boxlike rooms connected by narrow doorways were replaced by the spacious, flowing interiors many Irvine residents take for granted.
?The residential design ideas that came out of here spread all over the country and the world,? says Richardson. ?Throughout the 1970s and ?80s, builders came here on pilgrimages to see what we were doing and take our concepts back to Arizona and Texas, and Florida and the East Coast. And it is still going on.?
</em>
I guess bk can confirm whether or not this is really true... but to the average noob like myself... it's like "Really? Cool!"
Number 1 is suspect too... but of course you're going to win that if you compare Irvine ethnicities to Newport Beach and Yorba Linda (which they did with a graph). I can confirm the Newport Beach comparison... just go to Irvine Spectrum and then to Fashion Island. Irvine loses though to non-OC cities... I ventured beyond the Orange Curtain during Memorial Day weekend (bk gasps!) and the CityWalk has waaaay more diversity than Irvine Spectrum... although much less of the fair-skinned demographic.
I think much of the list is true on some level... and if you take that as a whole and compare it to any other city in Orange County... you might find that Irvine wins many of those comparisons.
Here's an IHB challenge... find an OC city that beats Irvine on the majority of those features listed (this will probably end up being a subjective war but it will be fun).