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Pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's.



On your paper currency, it reads: "Federal Reserve Note", "The United States of America".



When you use the money, you're submitting to the State and Government. The paper money was produced by the State, and is the property of the State. If the State should choose to tax you with its money, you're obligated to pay with the government's money. I don't like paying taxes, but I pay them because it's my obligation and civic duty. If you don't like paying taxes in the government's money, you can keep some of your wealth in gold and silver. No bank interest = no tax on bank interest. Most of us here are non-Muslim so we're not obligated to give alms (zakat?) based on the gold we own.



In a perfect world, I'd like each community to be responsible for its own health care and welfare needs. This could mean by city, county, Church, benevolent organization, charity, whatever. But we don't all live in Amish communities, so that'd make it kinda hard to implement. Is national health insurance the best solution? Probably NOT (disclaimer: I learn toward moderate libertarianism). But its' a compromise like everything else in life.



If you oppose paying into a national health insurance scheme, there is a precedent where those who are conscientiously opposed to Social Security are exempt from it.



As for Bush vs. Obama, whatever ex-President Bush did, he's out of the office now. It's President Obama's turn and he's not God, so don't expect him to be God. He's just a good, decent man who's trying his best to solve our problems. Some attempted solutions will work and others will not. That's just the nature of our imperfection. I'm not understanding why, but there seem to be a general lack of respect for the office of the President after Ronald Reagan. It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you're in, we're still under the same house/roof here.
 
[quote author="irvine123" date=1249301614]Just remember one thing: this is NOT about Bush, , it is about Obama and his policy.</blockquote>


The title of post is "Is Obama ruining the country?" If Bush already ruined the country and Obama is merely cleaning up the mess, Bush is very relevant in discussing the topic.
 
[quote author="Geotpf" date=1249357810][quote author="irvine123" date=1249301614]Just remember one thing: this is NOT about Bush, , it is about Obama and his policy.</blockquote>


The title of post is "Is Obama ruining the country?" If Bush already ruined the country and Obama is merely cleaning up the mess, Bush is very relevant in discussing the topic.</blockquote>


Zovall - can you change the title of the post to "Is Obama ruining the country MORE?"
 
I do notice that more Americans seem to have an entitlement attitude.



While getting my lunch I was watching the news. Not sure which channel it happened to be on at the Chinese restaurant I was at. They were talking about the Cash for Clunkers program and the confusion surrounding it.



They interviewed one person and he said he thought it was unfair he may have missed out on the program. He felt as though everyone should be entitlted to the money. If one person gets it we should all get it. I almost fell over laughing.



So since he wanted the rebate he was all for spending another 2 Billion dollars for our kids to pay off. Lets not forget as BO speeds up the spending and deficit our Kids will be paying this off. I have 3 kids and I don't think it fair they pick up this Cash for Clunkers bill.



Same with the whole mortgage crud too.



On top of BO's monetary policies we should really take a look at his foreign policies as well.
 
[quote author="trrenter" date=1249359150].

On top of BO's monetary policies we should really take a look at his foreign policies as well.</blockquote>


I will go toe to toe with you here. Are you sad we have not bombed Iran as the other candidate suggested ? What is lacking in his foreign policy ?

The fact he is willing to discuss. Or is that appeasement in your world.
 
[quote author="momopi" date=1249350505]Pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's.



On your paper currency, it reads: "Federal Reserve Note", "The United States of America".



When you use the money, you're submitting to the State and Government. The paper money was produced by the State, and is the property of the State. If the State should choose to tax you with its money, you're obligated to pay with the government's money. I don't like paying taxes, but I pay them because it's my obligation and civic duty. If you don't like paying taxes in the government's money, you can keep some of your wealth in gold and silver. No bank interest = no tax on bank interest. Most of us here are non-Muslim so we're not obligated to give alms (zakat?) based on the gold we own.



In a perfect world, I'd like each community to be responsible for its own health care and welfare needs. This could mean by city, county, Church, benevolent organization, charity, whatever. But we don't all live in Amish communities, so that'd make it kinda hard to implement. Is national health insurance the best solution? Probably NOT (disclaimer: I learn toward moderate libertarianism). But its' a compromise like everything else in life.



If you oppose paying into a national health insurance scheme, there is a precedent where those who are conscientiously opposed to Social Security are exempt from it.



As for Bush vs. Obama, whatever ex-President Bush did, he's out of the office now. It's President Obama's turn and he's not God, so don't expect him to be God. He's just a good, decent man who's trying his best to solve our problems. Some attempted solutions will work and others will not. That's just the nature of our imperfection. I'm not understanding why, but there seem to be a general lack of respect for the office of the President after Ronald Reagan. It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you're in, we're still under the same house/roof here.</blockquote>


It is so strange that some people treated Obama like he is their hero. I will say he will be my hero when I see that he find a way to correct the economy without putting every citizen in more debt than ever. The arguments here are taken out of context. I didn't say I don't want to pay taxes. The question is whether it is necessary for us to pay higher taxes because money are throwing away to create a national debt that is way worse than when Obama took office. You may fel good now. But the old saying, if you want to play, you will have to pay. If you don't mind personal and/or business taxes increase to for example 50%, I do and a lot of people do. It will do nothing for the improvement of the economy. There is only 1 God, and Obama is not the one. He is a good, decent man like many politicians. He is trying to solve problems, but is he really solving them the right way is my question.



Please stay on course. My point is we are not better when our debt is mounting on programs or policies that are ineffective.



1) How is the massive banking system bailed out benefit our economy so far (we have not seen the worse yet)?

2) How can a car that worth $1000 or less when Obama pay us $4500(If you have one of those cars, better do it fast)?

3) How come graduates are easily >$100,000 in debt when they are out of college, and I am not talking about private colleges. What about people that graduated from a professional/graduate schools?

4) How can we enroll more people in a government run health insurance program without sending the healthcare cost over Himalayas? I could be naive. The solution is decrease reimbursements to healthcare professionals which will lead to decrease quality of care, and taxing everyone else to pay for the program.



Anyone kind to provide words of wisdom on the above?
 
<blockquote>I could be naive. The solution is decrease reimbursements to healthcare professionals which will lead to decrease quality of care, and taxing everyone else to pay for the program.</blockquote>


Naive is a good word. I would call it brainwashed by the big money Managed Care Companies.

These corporations live and breath by the big money they squeeze by getting between doctors and patients. We are talking Hundres of Billions of dollars. And until Reagan and Kaiser.

There was no such thing as a Health Maintenance Organization. Dont you wonder why we see all the drug commercials on TV. Its because the are awash in our money.



Big Money Pharma, Promotional spending in the pharmaceutical industry went from $11.4 billion in 1996 to $29.9 billion in 2005. Thats not research my friend. Thats cash to pay for all those silly ads we get to watch and read. And your brilliant answer is to decrease paying the Doctors? Time to wake up and see that the system is corrupt and no longer sustainable.

Why do the drug companies pay so much to lobby congress ?

"The industry already set records from January to March, when health-care firms and their lobbyists spent money at the rate of $1.4 million a day".



When it costs the same to buy the same drug in the same package in the US, Mexico and Canada

then we have a free market. Anything else is just a lie paid for by the drug companies.

Why is it not the same for any other commodity or product. Because the FIX is in.
 
[quote author="Look4house" date=1249360798]

Please stay on course. My point is we are not better when our debt is mounting on programs or policies that are ineffective.



1) How is the massive banking system bailed out benefit our economy so far (we have not seen the worse yet)?

2) How can a car that worth $1000 or less when Obama pay us $4500(If you have one of those cars, better do it fast)?

3) How come graduates are easily >$100,000 in debt when they are out of college, and I am not talking about private colleges. What about people that graduated from a professional/graduate schools?

4) How can we enroll more people in a government run health insurance program without sending the healthcare cost over Himalayas? I could be naive. The solution is decrease reimbursements to healthcare professionals which will lead to decrease quality of care, and taxing everyone else to pay for the program.



Anyone kind to provide words of wisdom on the above?</blockquote>


You might want to consult the following article regarding #3:

<a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/10/college-graduate-school-loans-personal-finance-retirement-grad-school-debt.html">http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/10/college-graduate-school-loans-personal-finance-retirement-grad-school-debt.html</a>
 
[quote author="bltserv" date=1249363183]Naive is a good word. I would call it brainwashed by the big money Managed Care Companies.

These corporations live and breath by the big money they squeeze by getting between doctors and patients. We are talking Hundres of Billions of dollars. And until Reagan and Kaiser.

There was no such thing as a Health Maintenance Organization. Dont you wonder why we see all the drug commercials on TV. Its because the are awash in our money.



Big Money Pharma, Promotional spending in the pharmaceutical industry went from $11.4 billion in 1996 to $29.9 billion in 2005. Thats not research my friend. Thats cash to pay for all those silly ads we get to watch and read. And your brilliant answer is to decrease paying the Doctors? Time to wake up and see that the system is corrupt and no longer sustainable.

Why do the drug companies pay so much to lobby congress ?

"The industry already set records from January to March, when health-care firms and their lobbyists spent money at the rate of $1.4 million a day".



When it costs the same to buy the same drug in the same package in the US, Mexico and Canada

then we have a free market. Anything else is just a lie paid for by the drug companies.

Why is it not the same for any other commodity or product. Because the FIX is in.</blockquote>


Seems like you know the details of the healthcare reform in and out. I don't know why Congreesman Tom Price ask me to be one of the reform consultants. I ask you to please write a letter to the Congressman to take naive people off his list and nominate you to the panel. I am in support for the best of our counrty. Please let me know what you know about Obama's reform plan, and we can have a 'meaningful' discussion. Just because the drug companies making money has nothing to do with the government insurance plan. Yeah, if you are brave enough to buy drugs from Mexico, China, go for it, except no one including the FDA is taking responsibility.
 
[quote author="tmare" date=1249296535][quote author="Look4house" date=1249295680][quote author="tmare" date=1249294959]Oh, and it was so much better off after Bush finished his two terms. My thoughts are: shut up and pay attention. Be smart, not a FOX News sheep.</blockquote>


That is such a constructive comment or is it a joke? It's okay you are a Bush hater. Is our country better off heading this Obama's direction? Pay attention to what? You found throwing money away enjoyable? You like to pay higher taxes and get less from the government? You want your health insurance cost to go higher? Please tell me how to be smart? If you can only say something useless, then please ignore the thread. Thank you.</blockquote>


Ok, not a joke. I am NOT okay with a country that spends the most on health care and gets to be #37 in the world for quality of health care. I AM okay with someone trying to do something about it, rather than continuing to feed the insurance industries massive profits while they deny coverage to people who need health care. I am NOT okay with a government that has saddled our children with trillions in debt to fight a war that never needed to be fought. Somehow the huge debt incurred for a needless war during the Bush years was okay, but debt incurred in order to benefit our planet, our people's health and education is not okay with the right wing idiots who want to criticize Obama for having a beer. I guess I'm supposed to ignore this thread because I don't agree with you. Typical Fox News junkie. Be smart, open your eyes, get your sources from many places and try, really try to be a human being. Those are my thoughts and you asked for them.</blockquote>


How do you rank quality of care? According to everything I read our healthcare is tops as measured by survival rates following diagnosis.



There is no doubt the the health insurance business is a joke. I have hard time figuring out how the government is going to help, when they caused this problem in the first place.
 
[quote author="CapitalismWorks" date=1249365565][quote author="tmare" date=1249296535][quote author="Look4house" date=1249295680][quote author="tmare" date=1249294959]Oh, and it was so much better off after Bush finished his two terms. My thoughts are: shut up and pay attention. Be smart, not a FOX News sheep.</blockquote>


That is such a constructive comment or is it a joke? It's okay you are a Bush hater. Is our country better off heading this Obama's direction? Pay attention to what? You found throwing money away enjoyable? You like to pay higher taxes and get less from the government? You want your health insurance cost to go higher? Please tell me how to be smart? If you can only say something useless, then please ignore the thread. Thank you.</blockquote>


Ok, not a joke. I am NOT okay with a country that spends the most on health care and gets to be #37 in the world for quality of health care. I AM okay with someone trying to do something about it, rather than continuing to feed the insurance industries massive profits while they deny coverage to people who need health care. I am NOT okay with a government that has saddled our children with trillions in debt to fight a war that never needed to be fought. Somehow the huge debt incurred for a needless war during the Bush years was okay, but debt incurred in order to benefit our planet, our people's health and education is not okay with the right wing idiots who want to criticize Obama for having a beer. I guess I'm supposed to ignore this thread because I don't agree with you. Typical Fox News junkie. Be smart, open your eyes, get your sources from many places and try, really try to be a human being. Those are my thoughts and you asked for them.</blockquote>


How do you rank quality of care? According to everything I read our healthcare is tops as measured by survival rates following diagnosis.



There is no doubt the the health insurance business is a joke. I have hard time figuring out how the government is going to help, when they caused this problem in the first place.</blockquote>




Try <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0765165020080108">this</a>. I don't know what you are reading, but the vast majority of info I have read does not support the idea that the US is tops in anything related to healthcare. I'm not exactly sure how the government created the problem either, it seems that when it comes to healthcare, a profit based system really doesn't work. I do not think it's the doctors faults, it is truly an insurance company problem.



And for the record, I am incredibly perplexed by a society that blindly allowed billions of dollars to be spent on another country when there really wasn't any true threat. The amount of money spent destroying and rebuilding Iraq could have fixed both our healthcare problems as well as our substandard education system. We didn't hear too many voices objecting to these billions of dollars spent out of the country, but as soon as we start discussing actually making our own country better, everyone wants to cry that it's unfair. We all benefit from the improvements being discussed by the Obama administration. Is he perfect? No. Is there a perfect solution to any of these problems? Probably not. I just think it's refreshing that there's actually a discussion now about fixing so many problems that have been ignored for so long, from our infrastructure to education to healthcare. Ignoring these things as previous administrations have done (not just Bush) has led us to where we are today.
 
[quote author="Look4house" date=1249365444][quote author="bltserv" date=1249363183]Naive is a good word. I would call it brainwashed by the big money Managed Care Companies.

These corporations live and breath by the big money they squeeze by getting between doctors and patients. We are talking Hundres of Billions of dollars. And until Reagan and Kaiser.

There was no such thing as a Health Maintenance Organization. Dont you wonder why we see all the drug commercials on TV. Its because the are awash in our money.



Big Money Pharma, Promotional spending in the pharmaceutical industry went from $11.4 billion in 1996 to $29.9 billion in 2005. Thats not research my friend. Thats cash to pay for all those silly ads we get to watch and read. And your brilliant answer is to decrease paying the Doctors? Time to wake up and see that the system is corrupt and no longer sustainable.

Why do the drug companies pay so much to lobby congress ?

"The industry already set records from January to March, when health-care firms and their lobbyists spent money at the rate of $1.4 million a day".



When it costs the same to buy the same drug in the same package in the US, Mexico and Canada

then we have a free market. Anything else is just a lie paid for by the drug companies.

Why is it not the same for any other commodity or product. Because the FIX is in.</blockquote>


Seems like you know the details of the healthcare reform in and out. I don't know why Congreesman Tom Rice ask me to be one of the reform consultants. I ask you to please write a letter to the Congressman to take naive people off his list and nominate you to the panel. I am in support for the best of our counrty. Please let me know what you know about Obama's reform plan, and we can have a 'meaningful' discussion. Just because the drug companies making money has nothing to do with the government insurance plan. Yeah, if you are brave enough to buy drugs from Mexico, China, go for it, except no one including the FDA is taking responsibility.</blockquote>


Whats a Georgia "State" House of Representatives member got to do with National

Health Care ? You in Georgia ?



Seriously. You can get the same Pfizer Factor Sealed package of my BP Medicine in Mexico for $ 39.00 for 30. Here its $ 130.00.

You been listening to the propaganda so long you cant believe you been lied to. They have bribed our government and taken your money.

Dont you enjoy all those Viagra Commercials ?

Your free market is a controlled Monopoly.



"The high price of U.S. prescription drugs has been a source of ongoing controversy. Corporations claim the high costs are the result of pricey research and development programs, while critics point out, in addition to the industry's profits, the high proportion of pharmaceutical budgets devoted to marketing and lobbying. According to Marcia Angell, the former head of the New England Journal of Medicine, "The United States is the only advanced country that permits the pharmaceutical industry to charge exactly what the market will bear."
 
One point that we are missing is whether health care should be run as a for-profit public corporation. That is, with a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for its share holders. For example, is it ethical to offer a $78mn bonus to the CEO while denying live saving care to others?



Another issue is the employer based health insurance model we have in this country. That is, the fact that as long as your are employed you can only afford to get health care. That is, if the employer is even willing to absorb the premiums he will incur when he hires someone with pre-existing conditions. Especially for small business this can be a huge burden.
 
[quote author="bltserv" date=1249366750]

Whats a Georgia "State" House of Representatives member got to do with National

Health Care ? You in Georgia ?</blockquote>


Congressmen head many national commitees.



[quote author="bltserv" date=1249366750]Seriously. You can get the same Pfizer Factor Sealed package of my BP Medicine in Mexico for $ 39.00 for 30. Here its $ 130.00.</blockquote>


As long as you know 100% they are not fake, then you get a deal.



[quote author="bltserv" date=1249366750]"The high price of U.S. prescription drugs has been a source of ongoing controversy. Corporations claim the high costs are the result of pricey research and development programs, while critics point out, in addition to the industry's profits, the high proportion of pharmaceutical budgets devoted to marketing and lobbying. According to Marcia Angell, the former head of the New England Journal of Medicine, "The United States is the only advanced country that permits the pharmaceutical industry to charge exactly what the market will bear."</blockquote>


Let me reiterate, Obama's healthcare reform does not center on prescription drug prices or how the pharmaceutical industry is "ripping" off patients. So, you are not really discussing the pros and cons of Obama's plan. But to respond, it is almost impossible to regulate the pharmaceutical companies, they are just like any other corporate business. One of the goals of any pharmaceutical companies is still to make profit and satisfy share holders. Financial incentives provide motivation for new products and retain top research scientists. If you have a better answer, please share your wisdom.



Bottom line, more government control and regulations in healthcare will only make healthcare less accessible, decrease the freedom of choice and I believe it will end up creating a higher cost for the system.
 
[quote author="momopi" date=1249364998][quote author="Look4house" date=1249360798]

3) How come graduates are easily >$100,000 in debt when they are out of college, and I am not talking about private colleges. What about people that graduated from a professional/graduate schools?

</blockquote>


You might want to consult the following article regarding #3:

<a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/10/college-graduate-school-loans-personal-finance-retirement-grad-school-debt.html">http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/10/college-graduate-school-loans-personal-finance-retirement-grad-school-debt.html</a></blockquote>


Unfortunately, we are looking for answers on how the education system can be changed to make it more affordable, not to find ways to decrease your debt by being a graduate assistant or getting a grant from my millionaire relative.
 
[quote author="bltserv" date=1249363183]



Big Money Pharma, Promotional spending in the pharmaceutical industry went from $11.4 billion in 1996 to $29.9 billion in 2005. Thats not research my friend. Thats cash to pay for all those silly ads we get to watch and read. And your brilliant answer is to decrease paying the Doctors? Time to wake up and see that the system is corrupt and no longer sustainable.

Why do the drug companies pay so much to lobby congress ?

"The industry already set records from January to March, when health-care firms and their lobbyists spent money at the rate of $1.4 million a day".



When it costs the same to buy the same drug in the same package in the US, Mexico and Canada

then we have a free market. Anything else is just a lie paid for by the drug companies.

Why is it not the same for any other commodity or product. Because the FIX is in.



</blockquote>


What you said about lobbying etc. for the big pharm goes way beyond the pharm industry. Big oil probably spends more money to lobby the congress, etc. If I use your logic above, should we nationalize the oil company next?



Gasoline price is not NOT the same in US, Mexico, and Canada, as different country has different environmental, safety, labor , tax regulations. The capital cost of plants in different countries can also be dramatically different, so does the wages, etc. This goes the same with pharm. I am sure I don't need to point out to you with the same plant capacity, a company can afford to sell their products at a lower price if they choose to while achieving same ROI if they have lower overall CapEx to recover, and lower operating costs.



Pharm spends billions of dollars each year on actual R&D, and only a small % becomes blockbusters. Blockbuster drugs not only have to earn enough money to recover its R&D investments, plus a profit, but also need to recover the R&D investments on failed drugs plus opportunity costs. On top of that, they have to do it within a decade before the patents expire. I am sure there are inefficiencies within pharm industry, but please don't tell me US government can do a better job!



I am not interested in debating which president does a job, history will be the judge. I also not interested in even try to convice you one way or another, as I believe our drastically views on the issues here are more to do with our ideology. I think keep an open mind, and keep it civil is important.
 
I am glad there are some good discussions. While I am trying to stay neutral, I am not seeing any strong arguments to justify the amount and how fast the money we are spending or propose to spend on multiple projects. Best of all, nobody even comment on the cash for clunker program and what a disaster it has become. How inefficient and chaotic since its inception for the past week. Whether it is a waste of money or not, from the management standpoint, is that how our government operate?



Remember, there are 2 ways to stay positive (balance the budget), control cost and/or increase revenue.
 
[quote author="Look4house" date=1249383810]I am glad there are some good discussions. While I am trying to stay neutral, I am not seeing any strong arguments to justify the amount and how fast the money we are spending or propose to spend on multiple projects. Best of all, nobody even comment on the cash for clunker program and what a disaster it has become. How inefficient and chaotic since its inception for the past week. Whether it is a waste of money or not, from the management standpoint, is that how our government operate?



Remember, there are 2 ways to stay positive (balance the budget), control cost and/or increase revenue.</blockquote>


Cash for clunker is a massive success. It accomplished many goals.



stimulated spending.

welfare to the automakers.

pork for the middle/upper middle class

and improved mileage for about 250,000 car which is a minor but important environmental goal.



Frankly, if you're going to stimulate the economy with a billion dollars, you can do it by having 250,000 buy a $10,000-$40,000 vehicle and give them $3500 - $4500 each or you can give out a $300 Tax 'refund' and just have them bank it.
 
AHIP (insurance trade group) has already spent around $170mn in lobbying efforts to defeat it.



<blockquote>It?s not like the industry has been inert. But the insurers have played the inside game, spending about $40 million on an army of lobbyists and lavishing campaign contributions on Democrats and Republicans to kill the public option. In all, the health industry spent $133 million in the second quarter alone, more than a million bucks a day.



<a href="http:// http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25709.html">Politico.com article.</a>

</blockquote>
 
[quote author="Look4house" date=1249382515][quote author="bltserv" date=1249366750]

Whats a Georgia "State" House of Representatives member got to do with National

Health Care ? You in Georgia ?</blockquote>


Congressmen head many national commitees.



[quote author="bltserv" date=1249366750]Seriously. You can get the same Pfizer Factor Sealed package of my BP Medicine in Mexico for $ 39.00 for 30. Here its $ 130.00.</blockquote>


As long as you know 100% they are not fake, then you get a deal.



[quote author="bltserv" date=1249366750]"The high price of U.S. prescription drugs has been a source of ongoing controversy. Corporations claim the high costs are the result of pricey research and development programs, while critics point out, in addition to the industry's profits, the high proportion of pharmaceutical budgets devoted to marketing and lobbying. According to Marcia Angell, the former head of the New England Journal of Medicine, "The United States is the only advanced country that permits the pharmaceutical industry to charge exactly what the market will bear."</blockquote>


Let me reiterate, Obama's healthcare reform does not center on prescription drug prices or how the pharmaceutical industry is "ripping" off patients. So, you are not really discussing the pros and cons of Obama's plan. But to respond, it is almost impossible to regulate the pharmaceutical companies, they are just like any other corporate business. One of the goals of any pharmaceutical companies is still to make profit and satisfy share holders. Financial incentives provide motivation for new products and retain top research scientists. If you have a better answer, please share your wisdom.



Bottom line, more government control and regulations in healthcare will only make healthcare less accessible, decrease the freedom of choice and I believe it will end up creating a higher cost for the system.</blockquote>


So are you in Georgia ?

Interesting if you are. Joining a local housing board from the other side of the country ?



Personally what we are seeing is capitalism without controls. Healthcare, Oil. Banking. Without controls these Corporations create the market conditions we are seeing.

You can argue about sharholders and the responsibility to create profit. But when you hold a society basically hostage. The system has failed.

Unsustainable/Unregulated credit expansion = Housing Crisis.

Healthcare. Run away costs and reduced care and the number uninsured skyrockets. Limited preventitive healthcare. Emergency room medicine for simple preventitive care

creates the closing of emergency rooms in areas like Los Angeles.



Why is it that almost the entire modern world has some kind of a national health care plan ?

The only large exception I can think of is China. And maybe North Korea. Name another country that is without National Health Care. Its tough.

Your going to need to start naming small African Nations to respond.



Kind of like having a standing military to protect our country. We must have a standing health care safety net to protect everyone in the United States.

Or should we continue to spend all that money to lobby/bribe our lawmakers ? Provide those wonderful commercials we DONT NEED. Enrich the administrators

and insurance companies that provide little if any real "CARE" other than to PIMP our Medical System like a Cheap Whore.
 
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