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bones said:
I don't know if mine was an isolated case, but I got screwed by a short sale in the neighborhood during a refi.  The loan officer explained to me that appraisers can and will count it as a comp as they see fit (especially if there aren't many other comps in the area).  My refi couldn't close and I had to switch banks and find another appraiser that didn't feel the same way ;)

Banks are stickler with their appraisers.  They got burned by appraisers during the bubble.
 
OpenSky said:
ps9 said:
Are we talking about 1 Carmichael or 24 Columbus?  Or did both go thru auction.com?

I'm referring to 1 Carmichael.

This shrugging off of short sales by the bulls is fascinating. Was it not distressed sales that dragged on the housing market during the bust? It may be "one", but it is a factor. In NP, there is another on Riverside and an NOD on Villager in Square. Then there is the turd that is Three Rivers (townhome) in NP. Taken together, they drag values -- don't they?!

I was referring to 24 Columbus
 
I am a firm believer that short sales affect appraisal values.

If a bank will accept that price, it is some indicator of where the market is.

It's good when you are trying to buy a house, not so good when you are trying to refi or sell one.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Irvinecommuter said:
bones said:
I don't know if mine was an isolated case, but I got screwed by a short sale in the neighborhood during a refi.  The loan officer explained to me that appraisers can and will count it as a comp as they see fit (especially if there aren't many other comps in the area).  My refi couldn't close and I had to switch banks and find another appraiser that didn't feel the same way ;)

Banks are stickler with their appraisers.  They got burned by appraisers during the bubble.

The banks are investing heavily in automated valuations, which would eliminate some of the ability of RE folks to "persuade" appraisers into finding values that do not foot with values in the area.  Considering how bad the write offs were, is anyone surprised by the general lack of trust between banks and the appraisers they employ? 

Personally - I'm all for automated valuations with an onsite appraisal upon request.

I don't which banks you're working with but the banks I deal with rely heavily on BPOs and appraisers.  Appraisers rely on computer for a large portion of the their evaluation anyways.
 
When I did an appraisal a few years back.. there were one short sale and one foreclosure on the report.  This was a time, however, when WI barely had any sales so I think the appraiser had to reach for some.  He still didn't let it affect it too much. 
 
iacrenter said:
Opensky,

Looks like another Plan 3 Mendocino popped up on Redfin. Looks like a corner location, relatively large lot ~5000sqft, but only optioned with 3 bedrooms and the price is an eye popping $1.075M! Not much pictures, so it could be upgraded.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/22-Sebastian-92602/home/5812787

So now you have three Plan 3 Mendocinos all fighting for buyers on the same tract in NP.http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/26-Oroville-92602/home/5812451http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/14-Oroville-92602/home/5812478

This could be an opportunity for some dealing.

More cracks in the NP armor.

New listing @ 3 Sebastian asking $989Khttp://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/3-Sebastian-92602/home/5812921

and 23 Willow Ridge dropped their price down to $950k.http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/23-Willowridge-92602/home/5813137

You can always hope this motivates the $1M+ homes at 15 Larchwood, 10 Hallwood, and 15 Willow Ridge to make a market adjustment to their prices.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
iacrenter said:
Opensky,

Looks like another Plan 3 Mendocino popped up on Redfin. Looks like a corner location, relatively large lot ~5000sqft, but only optioned with 3 bedrooms and the price is an eye popping $1.075M! Not much pictures, so it could be upgraded.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/22-Sebastian-92602/home/5812787

So now you have three Plan 3 Mendocinos all fighting for buyers on the same tract in NP.http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/26-Oroville-92602/home/5812451http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/14-Oroville-92602/home/5812478

This could be an opportunity for some dealing.

Mendocino 1 is a good deal about a year ago...now it's crowding up against a lot of competition and the floorplans are pretty wacky.

Also...the realtor might want to properly input the zip code.

These are Mendocino tracts in North Park built in 2001, not the Mendocino in SG. And Plan 1 in SG is nice if you don't need a downstairs BR. Adding a BR costs only 3K.
 
bones said:
Tyler Durden said:
Any appraiser who did that is a complete moron.

I actually went back to the appraiser and provided better comps when I was refinancing my rental home last year.  Naturally, the prideful @$$hole refused, so I escalated on him to Wells.  He was a jerk about it... so I instructed my loan officer to find a new appraiser.

After getting a response from my mortgage officer that I had to use the appraiser that was assigned, I blasted them on their twitter page.  Why do I need to deal with a terrible appraiser, especially when I am paying for their service?  If I'm paying, I better have some input... or i'll walk.  If the bank wants to pay - let them deal with it.

If I had not gotten busy with my work, I would have continued escalating until he was dropped from their vendor list.

I guess I coulda raised he11 but the loan officer was not on my side.  No sense in continuing that working relationship when it was so easy to find another bank/loan officer that was easier to deal with in this regard.

My .02c:

Short sales and REOs can be incorporated into appraisals, especially when there is a dearth of other comparable sales in a given location and time frame. The appraiser can choose to weigh it less than standard arms-length sales or however they deem appropriate.

The appraisers and lenders were separated with Dodd-Frank and HVCC.
Attempts to "escalate" the issue after an appraisal report is already completed are difficult to accomplish.

I might suggest alternatively that you'd have more success via a pre-emptive strike:
Demand an appraisal with a physical inspection. Meet the appraiser. Politely ask questions about the comps that they intend to use. Ask about their familiarity with the area/neighborhood. With an appraiser coming in from Yucaipa, she might not be familiar with the nuances between Woodbridge values inside-vs-outside the loop, for instance. You can choose to allow or deny access accordingly, because once the report is completed, the lender can not ignore it.

-IR2
 
iacrenter said:
iacrenter said:
Opensky,

Looks like another Plan 3 Mendocino popped up on Redfin. Looks like a corner location, relatively large lot ~5000sqft, but only optioned with 3 bedrooms and the price is an eye popping $1.075M! Not much pictures, so it could be upgraded.
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/22-Sebastian-92602/home/5812787

So now you have three Plan 3 Mendocinos all fighting for buyers on the same tract in NP.http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/26-Oroville-92602/home/5812451http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/14-Oroville-92602/home/5812478

This could be an opportunity for some dealing.

More cracks in the NP armor.

New listing @ 3 Sebastian asking $989Khttp://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/3-Sebastian-92602/home/5812921

and 23 Willow Ridge dropped their price down to $950k.http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/23-Willowridge-92602/home/5813137

You can always hope this motivates the $1M+ homes at 15 Larchwood, 10 Hallwood, and 15 Willow Ridge to make a market adjustment to their prices.

15 Willow Ridge just went Pending.  2,300 sqft pending at $1.078mm.  Probably it will sell for $1.05mm I guess no crack in the armor yet.
 
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