New vs. Old... Huntington vs. Irvine

NEW -> Contingent Buyer Assistance Program
[quote author="optimusprime" date=1213844108][quote author="bkshopr" date=1213843861][quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213841000]I read an article in the Orange County Register stating how the residents of Fountain Valley are older and tend to live there longer and thus tend to keep property taxes low.

I have a friend who graduated from Fountain Valley High School and is currently working there. He says that his neighborhood is getting older because all the kids have grown up and moved away... so there are a lot of older residents. Thus, I have an objective source and a subjective one telling me the same story.</blockquote>


The older demographic in FV stayed because of limited wealth. FV was a place of lower middle class during its infancy when tracts replaced Japanese owned nurseries. The homes were priced lower than most of the competition. These families accumulated their retirement by frugality and savings. They were not the sophisticated entrepreneur who used money to make more money. They kept their saving in the banks. Many held blue collar jobs but gave the best to their family. Yes, they could sell their home and make some good money but they do not want to start paying for a mortgage again and high property tax when their home is already paid for and property tax is less than their food bill. They have enough to retire frugally but living the style of Joneses is not what they wanted. This is the group who dedicated their entire garage for Christmas decoration and once a year they get a kick out decking out the neighborhood for visitors. The is a form of neighborhood pride and comradery that few neighbors want to move and miss.</blockquote>


Damn you are good BK. I would say tho the X-mas decorations have been on the decline the past 10 yrs tho :(</blockquote>


As the older folks get stiffer joints they are not willing to climb those ladders like they used to when they were younger. The decorations are more animated I predicted at ground level vs roof tops from ten years ago.
 
Here is a link <a href="http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:zbcG7iRj-SwJ:profiles.nationalrelocation.com/California/Fountain%20Valley/+Fountain+valley+age+demographic&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us">http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:zbcG7iRj-SwJ:profiles.nationalrelocation.com/California/Fountain%20Valley/+Fountain+valley+age+demographic&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us</a>



The median age is older in FV than other OC communities. The younger age are most likely driven by the multigeneration families living in the same home or neighboring houses for social family structure, financial and lifestyle support. Child care is a big factor. HS, you need to show more supports in your post and do not use "my friends" because it is not a reliable source. The highest segment is the 55 year old and the indication is clear that they are interested in saving and get ready for retirement in 10 years and avoid the turmoil of financial burden in RE. Many are employed with companies who offered pension for loyalty or bondage. Government staff for example is one of them.
 
The best thing about Fountain Valley is the cheap Arco station off the 405/Brookhurst. Now if only Garden Grove weren't so far away....
 
[quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213843374]



This is my ranking for a city's socio-economic class.



1. Newport

2. Irvine

3. Huntington

4. Fountain Valley

5. Westminster

6. Garden Grove

7. Santa Ana



Point is, I think Fountain Valley is just your typical, average, decent OC city. It doesn't have the wealth of Newport, the new homes of Irvine, or the coastal living of Huntington.

But it also doesn't have the poverty of Santa Ana, the oldness of Garden Grove, and the congestion of Westminster.</blockquote>




Pretty much depends on how you define "class"



What about Laguna Beach? Seal Beach? Costa Mesa? South Coast? Fullerton?
 
[quote author="ABC123" date=1213846242]The best thing about Fountain Valley is the cheap Arco station off the 405/Brookhurst. Now if only Garden Grove weren't so far away....</blockquote>


2 Arco stations caddy corner from each other with the same price. It is the "Legacy" at Brookhurst and 405.
 
[quote author="freedomCM" date=1213850986][quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213843374]



This is my ranking for a city's socio-economic class.



1. Newport

2. Irvine

3. Huntington

4. Fountain Valley

5. Westminster

6. Garden Grove

7. Santa Ana



Point is, I think Fountain Valley is just your typical, average, decent OC city. It doesn't have the wealth of Newport, the new homes of Irvine, or the coastal living of Huntington.

But it also doesn't have the poverty of Santa Ana, the oldness of Garden Grove, and the congestion of Westminster.</blockquote>




Pretty much depends on how you define "class"



What about Laguna Beach? Seal Beach? Costa Mesa? South Coast? Fullerton?</blockquote>


In all cities across America when there are governmental social, welfare, healthcare and immigration services within the civic center you will find the poor social economic segment of the population living close to the facilities to take advantage of the system. The Mexican and Vietnamese population in Santa Ana, Westminster, and Garden Grove are the result.
 
As much I want to back up my comments with citations or reference, I'm not going to spend that much time looking for them.

And yes, I do think Villa park is an older, stable, higher income city. But surprisingly, Fountain Valley High still performs better than Villa Park High.

Why? Because VPH has a lot of underachieving students from the surrounding city of Orange. That's why VP residents send their kids to private school.
 
[quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213870890]As much I want to back up my comments with citations or reference, I'm not going to spend that much time looking them.

And yes, I do think Villa park is an older, stable, higher income city. But surprisingly, Fountain Valley High still performs better than Villa Park High.

Why? Because VPH has a lot of underachieving students from the surrounding city of Orange. That's why VP residents send their kids to private school.</blockquote>


You can't back up your comments or cite them, because they are just your opinions. You can't back up something that only exists in your head.



And, no, most people who grow up in VP go to VPH. Yes, some do go to private schools, but the percentage is a lot lower than you think. Oh... and yeah... FVH is #15 and VPH is #16, big freakin deal. I guess FVH has a lot of parents sending their kids to private schools too, since it must have all those underachieving kids from the surrounding area of Westminster. You just keep posting your opinions, and we will keep trying to get you back to the real world.
 
[quote author="freedomCM" date=1213850986][quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213843374]



This is my ranking for a city's socio-economic class.



1. Newport

2. Irvine

3. Huntington

4. Fountain Valley

5. Westminster

6. Garden Grove

7. Santa Ana



Point is, I think Fountain Valley is just your typical, average, decent OC city. It doesn't have the wealth of Newport, the new homes of Irvine, or the coastal living of Huntington.

But it also doesn't have the poverty of Santa Ana, the oldness of Garden Grove, and the congestion of Westminster.</blockquote>




Pretty much depends on how you define "class"



What about Laguna Beach? Seal Beach? Costa Mesa? South Coast? Fullerton?</blockquote>


what about lake forest? san clemente?
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1213872258]And, no, most people who grow up in VP go to VPH.</blockquote>


THIS

IS

SPARTA!
 
[quote author="reason" date=1213794480]bk,



Have you heard of the Renaissance project in downtown Santa Ana? How is that coming along? Will we finally get some mainstream retail stores?</blockquote>


The architect who revitalized Old Town Pasadena also was hired to design the Renaissance in Santa Ana and the Courtyard Cordoba. The project sign of Courtyard Cordoba is removed between the Bower Museum and the St Joseph Ballet also.







Images here is similar to Courtyard Cordoba



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Economy is questionable so most projects come to a stop including this Renaissance project. It is the same everywhere in OC.



<img src="http://www.cnu.org/sites/files/imagecache/news/Picture3.png" alt="" />



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Old Town Pasadena started in 1984 and took 15 years to finish. This type of projects take a long time because the low class merchants may still have a long term lease and we have to wait for them to expire before renovation could really take place.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1213965870][quote author="reason" date=1213794480]bk,



Have you heard of the Renaissance project in downtown Santa Ana? How is that coming along? Will we finally get some mainstream retail stores?</blockquote>


The architect who revitalized Old Town Pasadena also was hired to design the Renaissance in Santa Ana and the Courtyard Cordoba. The project sign of Courtyard Cordoba is removed between the Bower Museum and the St Joseph Ballet also.



Bk,

Yes, I was waiting for Courtyard Cordoba. But like you'd stated not even the sign is there now. Bummer.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1213872258][quote author="hs_teacher" date=1213870890]As much I want to back up my comments with citations or reference, I'm not going to spend that much time looking them.

And yes, I do think Villa park is an older, stable, higher income city. But surprisingly, Fountain Valley High still performs better than Villa Park High.

Why? Because VPH has a lot of underachieving students from the surrounding city of Orange. That's why VP residents send their kids to private school.</blockquote>


You can't back up your comments or cite them, because they are just your opinions. You can't back up something that only exists in your head.



And, no, most people who grow up in VP go to VPH. Yes, some do go to private schools, but the percentage is a lot lower than you think. Oh... and yeah... FVH is #15 and VPH is #16, big freakin deal. I guess FVH has a lot of parents sending their kids to private schools too, since it must have all those underachieving kids from the surrounding area of Westminster. You just keep posting your opinions, and we will keep trying to get you back to the real world.</blockquote>


Graphrix, you sure know very little about schools. I'll give you a simple lesson, ok? Students at all high schools are given standardized state tests. They are called CST and their scores are called API. Basically, any school with an API of greater than 800 is considered "good". Obviously, all Irvine High Schools have scores higher than 800. FVHS also scores higher than 800. Villa Park High, although situated in a very high income area - i.e. Villa Park, scores below 800. That's very disappointing if you ask me. Even with college bound kids, FVHS has higher average SAT scores than VPHS.



As for students from Westminster, there are two high schools in Westminster. The one that is closest to Fountain Valley High is La Quinta High, which by the way has a higher API than FVHS and VPHS. So FVHS could use some of the kids from Westminster to boost their score.



1. Villa Park High scores below FVHS by 18 high schools even though Villa Park is such a nice, high income area. Like I said, it's still surrounded by not so nice Orange.



2. Students from neighboring Westminster at La Quinta High even score better than Fountain Valley High. LQHS's API is 840.



So you're wrong. And then you're wrong again. Ouch. Poor guy. "Oh I'm Graphrix, just because I know Villa Park is an expensive zip code, the school must be great". Wrong. "Oh, I'm Graphrix, just because Westminster is in a less expensive zip code, the school there must be crap." Even more wrong. Ha. Ha.



To think about it, Villa Park High even has a lower API score than Pacifica High - and it's located in GARDEN GROVE!



School Name API

<span style="color: blue;">Fountain Valley High 821</span>

Mission Viejo High 821

Aliso Niguel High 820

Canyon High 815

El Toro High 815

Tesoro High 815

Trabuco Hills High 815

Alternative Education-San Joaquin High 813

Laguna Beach High 811

OCCS:CHEP/PCHS 806

Arnold O. Beckman High 805

Marina High 805

Pacifica High 803

El Dorado High 802

Brea-Olinda High 801

Edison High 797

Segerstrom High 797

Capistrano Valley High 795

<span style="color: red;">Villa Park High 792</span>





School Name SAT Score

<span style="color: blue;">Fountain Valley High 1656</span>

Aliso Niguel High 1652

Marina High 1645

Tesoro High 1643

Trabuco Hills High 1643

Mission Viejo High 1640

El Toro High 1637

Esperanza High 1632

Capistrano Valley High 1632

Foothill High 1631

Edison High 1628

Dana Hills High 1627

Huntington Beach High 1627

Laguna Hills High 1626

El Modena High 1626

<span style="color: red;">Villa Park High 1619</span>
 
hs, you sure know very little about statistics. i'll give you a simple lesson ok?



the median API in the county (2006 data was the quickest i could pull up) is 775. the average is 750. more relevant is the st dev which is 96. so basically all those schools you listed are above avg high schools in this county, separated by less than 1/3 of one st dev. also, i noticed VP was 813 in 2006 and 792 in whatever yr's data you posted.



what does that all mean? it means those schools are all very similar. i won't brag that VPHS is a world-class high school. certainly many schools in this county are better, but taking bragging rights for your local school's +30 API is just silly. it has no statistical significance, especially given schools can be +/- 30 in any given year. that arbitrary list of SAT scores that has a range of 40 pts is even more irrelevant. it's evident in every argument you've made that you need to learn something about sampling before you draw conclusions.



in any case, you're completely going in circles which totally kills the credibility of any of your points. you said the wealthy new home buyers of northwood pointe made northwood high school what it is. there are some great schools in OC in bad neighborhoods and some mediocre schools in great neighborhoods. its probably 50% demographics and 50% (if not more) everything else. the teachers and administrators, special programs that draw in talent outside the immediate area, open enrollment that draws in kids from lower income areas, etc.
 
[quote author="acpme" date=1214004503]hs, you sure know very little about statistics. i'll give you a simple lesson ok?



the median API in the county (2006 data was the quickest i could pull up) is 775. the average is 750. more relevant is the st dev which is 96. so basically all those schools you listed are above avg high schools in this county, separated by less than 1/3 of one st dev. also, i noticed VP was 813 in 2006 and 792 in whatever yr's data you posted.



what does that all mean? it means those schools are all very similar. i won't brag that VPHS is a world-class high school. certainly many schools in this county are better, but taking bragging rights for your local school's +30 API is just silly. it has no statistical significance, especially given schools can be +/- 30 in any given year. that arbitrary list of SAT scores that has a range of 40 pts is even more irrelevant. it's evident in every argument you've made that you need to learn something about sampling before you draw conclusions.



in any case, you're completely going in circles which totally kills the credibility of any of your points. you said the wealthy new home buyers of northwood pointe made northwood high school what it is. there are some great schools in OC in bad neighborhoods and some mediocre schools in great neighborhoods. its probably 50% demographics and 50% (if not more) everything else. the teachers and administrators, special programs that draw in talent outside the immediate area, open enrollment that draws in kids from lower income areas, etc.</blockquote>


Wow. Acpme needs a lesson too. The standard deviation is used to measure variance. When you're comparing all the schools in the county, including the continuation schools, you should expect a high standard deviation. Such as comparing Century High in Santa Ana to University High in Irvine. But when you rank the schools in order, Villa Park is approximately 35th out of 66 schools. That means that it's right around the median. By the way, the data below is the most current from the CDE. By telling me that VPHS was 813 in 2006 just confirms my belief that the school is trending downwards. And in education, the standard good score is 800. That's the score that all schools must try to at least obtain. Villa Park High, situtated in one of the most expensive zip codes, is below that standard score.



Just look at the list below... all the top schools are either in rich neighborhoods or have strong demographics. All the bottom schools are in poor neighborhood or have weak demographics. Of course there are always a few exceptions, but the correlation of class and race to performance is usually very strong and accurate.



And another point, Uni has been around for many years so it may attract talented students. Northwood is less than ten years old. It was built when the houses across the street from it was built. So the community built the school's reputation, not the other way around. It also has the lowest percentage of free lunch students in the county - 1.9% - an indication that there are hardly any poor students at Northwood.



Rankings are rankings. If you're within 5 schools apart, then I would say you're pretty comparable. Such as Northwood to Uni or Irvine to Fountain Valley. When you're 16 schools apart (VPHS & FVHS) - not too comparable.



Another point, although Northwood and Beckman are rather close, their student population demographics are very different. Which explains the disparity between the two schools's scores. Same goes for Westminster High and La Quinta High - although both are located in Westminster, the student population is very different.



Parents, just remember that 800 is the score to look for if you're looking for a high performance school. Don't simply buy in a nice zip code and assume your nearby public school will be stellar.





School Name SAT Score API

Oxford Academy 1903 981

Troy High 1911 914

<span style="color: blue;">University High 1861 881</span>

Corona del Mar High 1698 863

<span style="color: red;">Northwood High 1762 858</span>

Orange County High School of the Arts 1661 856

Cypress High 1507 844

Sunny Hills High 1668 843

La Quinta High 1504 840

<span style="color: purple;">Woodbridge High 1721 839</span>

Middle College High 1508 839

Laguna Hills High 1626 838

Esperanza High 1632 837

Los Alamitos High 1597 837

Orange Coast Middle College High 1481 832

Foothill High 1631 829

<span style="color: green;">Irvine High 1714 827</span>

Dana Hills High 1627 825

Mission Viejo High 1640 821

<span style="color: brown;">Fountain Valley High 1656 821</span>

Aliso Niguel High 1652 820

Tesoro High 1643 815

Canyon High 1575 815

Trabuco Hills High 1643 815

El Toro High 1637 815

Laguna Beach High 1668 811

OCCS:CHEP/PCHS 1531 806

Marina High 1645 805

<span style="color: purple;">Arnold O. Beckman High 1582 805</span>

Pacifica High 1547 803

El Dorado High 1583 802

Brea-Olinda High 1616 801

Edison High 1628 797

Capistrano Valley High 1632 795

<span style="color: orange;">Villa Park High 1619 792</span>

John F. Kennedy High 1535 787

San Clemente High 1581 784

Newport Harbor High 1596 782

El Modena High 1626 770

<span style="color: purple;">Garden Grove High 1498 770</span>

Huntington Beach High 1627 766

Bolsa Grande High 1473 763

Valencia High 1614 758

Sonora High 1524 756

La Habra High 1444 745

Fullerton Union High 1482 732

Western High 1398 731

Costa Mesa High 1460 731

Loara High 1439 721

Rancho Alamitos High 1488 718

Buena Park High 1376 717

Estancia High 1407 714

Ocean View High 1552 712

Santiago High 1377 711

Tustin High 1529 709

Westminster High 1489 707

Savanna High 1380 700

Orange High 1381 695

Los Amigos High 1434 694

Katella High 1407 688

Magnolia High 1387 687

Anaheim High 1339 684

Santa Ana High 1304 622

Saddleback High 1309 604

Valley High 1265 585

Century High 1183 584
 
<blockquote>Just look at the list below... all the top schools are either in rich neighborhoods or have strong demographics. All the bottom schools are in poor neighborhood or have weak demographics. Of course there are always a few exceptions, but the correlation of class and race to performance is usually very strong and accurate.</blockquote>


tell me which of the top schools are fed by rich neighborhoods. bonus points if those are new developments since that's the original premise of this thread. out of the top 20 schools in the county, name the ones fed by surrounded by new communities. new = better, new = wealthier, and wealth helps make the schools better based on what you've argued over and over about northwood high right?



<blockquote>Rankings are rankings. If you're within 5 schools apart, then I would say you're pretty comparable. Such as Northwood to Uni or Irvine to Fountain Valley. When you're 16 schools apart (VPHS & FVHS) - not too comparable.</blockquote>


thanks for giving me a lesson on st dev. your use of counting stats is somewhat naive. you did realize as you get closer to the median, the distribution is much tighter, right? FORTY PERCENT of the schools are within +/- 30 of 800. for example, the score diff between UNI-WOODBR is larger than FV-VP even though there rankings are only 7 apart.



<blockquote>Parents, just remember that 800 is the score to look for if you're looking for a high performance school. Don't simply buy in a nice zip code and assume your nearby public school will be stellar.</blockquote>


finally you said something bright. but now you're contradicting your own point that new homes = wealth = better schools.



where the hell are these threads going anyway? this all started because you believe new housing is better than old -- and it strayed into schools around new housing is better than schools around old housing? yet you keep countering your own argument and then nitpicking details to argue over.



it's like someone's shouting to you, "hey, watch out for that granite boulder!"

... and your response is, "that's limestone, idiot."
 
btw i'm not really arguing the breadth of what you're saying. i will admit vp is trending downwards due to open enrollment policies. the student body there looks a lot diff than it did a generation ago even though the community is still pretty much the same ol' vanilla park. in general, obviously wealth has a lot to do with how good the local schools perform. obviously many people like new homes. i'm not arguing these points, but the logic you use to draw your conclusions and then make blanket stmts like new > old or new = wealthier = better school. when you find there are more exceptions to the rule than examples that actually fit the rule, it should lead you to conclude that the hypothesis might need some tweaking.



looking at the top schools, you have specialized schools or testing schools which accept students from outside the immediate neighborhood. sending kids to these schools require more work and involvement from the parents. you have places like uni and cdm where families are willing to pay very expensive premiums for older homes, maybe because of the school, maybe because of the desirability of the neighborhood in general. you have pockets of communities where wealthy members of certain ethnic groups specifically chose to move. koreans to the hills of fullerton. chinese to places like turtle rock, turtle ridge, northwood pointe and other recent irvine communities. (did you bother to look at figures like avg age of parents, ethnicity, or education level of parents for woodbridge vs northwood? or the availability of housing in the past 10 yrs in woodbridge vs northwood? or did you simply concluded northwood is better cause the houses are shinier?)



what it tells me is parenting is a huge factor in local school quality. and in most cases, educational level of the parents is the main driver of parenting. that in turn ties to wealth, and wealth gives families the ability to target specific communities. and that's the correlation you're seeing, not age of homes or wealth of the parents in and of itself.
 
K, let me try to explain all the schools that I'm familiary with. All the top schools are either in rich areas or have the high performing racial mix.

Bottom schools are in poor areas or have the low performing racial mix. How many times do I have repeat the same things? How much more direct can I be?



You're probably wondering why Villa Park High and Newport Harbor High have such low scores when both schools are in such expensive areas, right?

Villa Park has a lot of students coming in from poorer Orange and Newport Harbor has a lot poor students coming in from Costa Mesa.



1. Location is of most importance. Old or new homes in desired areas (the hills, the coast, the bay) are more expensive than homes in less desired areas.

2. New homes are more expensive than aging homes. In the same area, new homes cost more than old homes.



Isn't this obvious to any person with common sense?



9 out of 10 of the top schools are in wealthy area. 10 out of 10 of the bottom schools are in poor areas.

You really need to take a look around the communities.

I'm not nitpicking details. How many more times must I repeat things?



What schools below in the top 10 has poor students (other than LQ)?

What schools below in the bottom 10 is in a rich area?



Face the facts buddy, Villa Park High is very mediocre. If I have to give grades,



Uni, CDM, and Nortwood would get A's.

Woodbridge, Irvine, and FVHS would get B's.

Edison, Villa Park, & Elmo would get C's.

Costa Mesa & Estancia would get D's.

Orange & Los Amigos would get F's.



School Name API

University High 881 Rich - Shady Canyon, Quail Hill, Turtle Rock, Turtle Ridge, University Hills

Corona del Mar High 863 Rich - Newport Beach, Newport Coast

Northwood High 858 Rich - Northwood

La Quinta High 840 Poor - but has a lot Asians

Woodbridge High 839 Mid - Irvine.

Foothill High 829 Mid - the foothills, North Tustin

Irvine High 827 Mid - Irvine.

Fountain Valley High 821 Mid - Fountain Valley

Marina High 805 Mid - Huntington.

Arnold O. Beckman High 805 Mid - Irvine

Pacifica High 803 Mid - West Garden Grove

Edison High 797

Villa Park High 792

Newport Harbor High 782

El Modena High 770

Garden Grove High 770

Huntington Beach High 766

Bolsa Grande High 763 Poor - low performing racial mix

Costa Mesa High 731 Poor - low performing racial mix

Rancho Alamitos High 718 Poor - low performing racial mix

Estancia High 714 Poor - low performing racial mix

Ocean View High 712 Poor - low performing racial mix

Santiago High 711 Poor - low performing racial mix

Tustin High 709 Poor - low performing racial mix

Westminster High 707 Poor - low performing racial mix

Orange High 695 Poor - low performing racial mix

Los Amigos High 694 Poor - low performing racial mix
 
i never said vp wasnt mediocre, you're the one still arguing random points which fit your facts instead of arguing the topic at hand.



how many times do i need to explain the actual topic at hand. read my prior post which i was typing as you were writing yours.



<strong>you have a hypothesis about new homes, rich neighborhoods, and schools.</strong>



now going through the list, you basically have 2 of the top 10 which fit your hypothesis perfectly. the other 8 require some sort of caveat. theres a whole lot of what you classify as "mid" at the top which your hypothesis doesn't support. but it has lots of asians. but its in premium hill location. but, but but... then some rich neighborhoods not at the top you have to explain as well.



<strong>when you find there are more exceptions to the rule than examples that actually fit the rule, it should lead you to conclude that the hypothesis is wrong.

</strong>
 
There aren't any exceptions. All the top schools are in middle to higher income neighborhoods except for LQ - which has a lot of Asians - demographics matter.

ALL the schools at the bottom are in poor neighborhoods or have a low performing racial mix (I just don't want to straight out say it).

Essentially, it's only down to two variables - class (upper performs better than lower) and race (a specific group underperforms). It's that simple.

I have not made any statements that deviate from this.

I believe in science. I believe there are explanations for everything.

Not a single but.



Pick one school in the top ten that isn't in a good neighborhood or has good demographics. Can't find one, right?

Schools in good areas - Uni, Nortwood, Woodbridge, Irvine, CDM, Foothill, Fountain Valley, etc.

Now pick one in the bottom ten that isn't in a bad neighborhood or has bad demographics. Impossible to find, right?

Schools in bad areas - Los Amigos, Orange, Westminster, Tustin, Santiago, Ocean View, Estancia, etc.
 
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