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They also do that because passengers can't sue them for anything.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...hips-registered-in-foreign-countries/1760759/
A lot of factors come in to play of what makes someone really successful. If your gardener is smart and hard-working, after a few years of gardening they could be running a crew and possibly earning a lot more. They might not make as much as a heart or brain surgeon, but they will be successful and will be able to provide and possibly make opportunities for their family.
Similarly, the first generation immigrant from Korea, China or India (not the FCBs) that comes to the country with nothing works their ass off to make it here. Providing a safety net is essential, but that safety net for some can take away their motivations and have people gaming the system.
Everyone knows that there are people that game child care benefits, foster care benefits, and other social benefits so they don't have to work. These are the people that don't care for anyone but themselves and unfortunately their kids that are supposed to benefit from the programs don't do so. So, despite a safety net and social programs, we have tons of kids held back because their parents exploit the programs for personal benefit. These are the people that don't have a fair chance and these are the people that suffer unless they somehow get self motivated at a younger age.
That is such a myth...most first generation immigrants from SK, China, and India were middle class people in their native countries. They were usually business owners or white color workers who could afford to bring their family over. They have access to money and an education background that many immigrants don't have.
A lot of my current neighbors are such immigrants and their resume and background are far superior to mine.
You take immigrants/refugees from Vietnams or other Asian countries and their success rate is very poor.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/aapi/data/critical-issues
My parents are first generation immigrant who packed up their suitcases and came over to the US. But my dad was a college grad and was a manager at the national telecommunication company. They had a house in Taiwan and had seed money when they landed in this country. We also had the benefit of having green cards so my parents could work. Yes they worked incredibly hard but they had certain advantages that others did not have.
That's another myth. Most of the "benefits" favor middle and upper middle class because they are based upon tax deductions and credits. Most of the people on food stamps for example are children, the elderly, and the working poor.
http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/08/six-myths-about-food-stamps/
Also..how much do you think people get on food stamps? A family of 4 gets a maximum of $649 a month for food stamp. Do you really think that someone is not working to collect that? (not to mention there are work requirements to qualify for food stamps).
No...the hurdles to employment are multifold including lack of affordable child care and transportation.
Most legal immigrants to this country have work permits (be it a work visa, green card or otherwise). If you are talking about illegal immigrants, they will not have much options because they are illegal, illegal being the keyword.
You might know families that came over with a lot of money, but I know people that came with close to nothing and working multiple jobs they ensured that their kids had a better chance and imparted those values to their kids as well.
Based on your comments it seems you do not know many people that abuse the system, which is good and to be expected since you live in Irvine.
My neighbor works at a school that is in a very low income neighborhood and she constantly mentions how a lot of parents of kids in their school don't work and get by just on benefits. Expensive child-care is not preventing them from leaving their kids with the grand-parents to go on shopping excursions and buying expensive phones or cars. A lot of these parents don't want to spend a single dime on their kids books but will go out and buy the latest gadget if needed. Unfortunately there are a lot of such people and we need to have systems in place to prevent such abuses. Helping everyone prosper is a great thing, especially in an advanced society like ours, but without proper systems in place it can be a disaster.
Haha, that's pretty funny. So anyone successful just has to owe their success to luck huh? What a lucky guy that Steve Jobs. He never worked hard, all of that success just fell in his lap by the Gods above. So I guess the 12-16 hour college study days had nothing to do with me snagging a spot out of 94 seats in a medical school with about 10,000 highly qualified applicants. I must thank my lucky stars!
That's not what Happiness is saying. What he is saying that there is a great deal of luck involved in everyone's success. People like to think that they pull themselves through their own efforts but most people don't.
Yes, you worked very hard to get to where you are but you assume that you are somehow special because you made it. You also assume that those people who didn't make it didn't work as hard as you or that someone else who didn't have the opportunity to apply for medical school didn't or wouldn't work as hard as you given the same opportunities.
Steve Job was lucky...he was adopted into a loving family who happened to live in Mountain View and encouraged his passion for tinkering. His family stuck with him despite his numerous issues at school.
He also happened to be introduced to Steve Wozniak by a HS school friend and Bill Hewlett gave him a summer job at age 13 on a whim.
Apple also almost collapses in the early 90s and was saved by a lot of inept competitors.
http://www.cnet.com/news/is-apples-success-the-result-of-luck-or-skill/
This doesn't negate that Steve Jobs worked really hard or was really talented. It just means that he was also very lucky.
I guess the way I look at it is that there are many more harder workers than me out there, many smarter people than me out there, yet I'm the one sitting in the roles I had/have. So how does someone who is not the smartest, not the hardest worker end up where I have? I have to attribute it to luck.
No one is contending that you shouldn't work hard. The issue is whether the lack of success means that you didn't.
I agree with Qwerty in that I coasted through HS and mostly through college and yet did decently. Could I have done better, definitely but there were a lot people who worked a lot harder than me in HS and college.
That's why it's TalkIrvine...not Talk Newport Beach or Talk Coto De Caza.
Irvinecommuter
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Happiness said:
They also do that because passengers can't sue them for anything.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...hips-registered-in-foreign-countries/1760759/
lowlyirvinerenter
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Happiness said:
A lot of factors come in to play of what makes someone really successful. If your gardener is smart and hard-working, after a few years of gardening they could be running a crew and possibly earning a lot more. They might not make as much as a heart or brain surgeon, but they will be successful and will be able to provide and possibly make opportunities for their family.
Similarly, the first generation immigrant from Korea, China or India (not the FCBs) that comes to the country with nothing works their ass off to make it here. Providing a safety net is essential, but that safety net for some can take away their motivations and have people gaming the system.
Everyone knows that there are people that game child care benefits, foster care benefits, and other social benefits so they don't have to work. These are the people that don't care for anyone but themselves and unfortunately their kids that are supposed to benefit from the programs don't do so. So, despite a safety net and social programs, we have tons of kids held back because their parents exploit the programs for personal benefit. These are the people that don't have a fair chance and these are the people that suffer unless they somehow get self motivated at a younger age.
Irvinecommuter
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HomeOwner Irvine said:
That is such a myth...most first generation immigrants from SK, China, and India were middle class people in their native countries. They were usually business owners or white color workers who could afford to bring their family over. They have access to money and an education background that many immigrants don't have.
A lot of my current neighbors are such immigrants and their resume and background are far superior to mine.
You take immigrants/refugees from Vietnams or other Asian countries and their success rate is very poor.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/aapi/data/critical-issues
My parents are first generation immigrant who packed up their suitcases and came over to the US. But my dad was a college grad and was a manager at the national telecommunication company. They had a house in Taiwan and had seed money when they landed in this country. We also had the benefit of having green cards so my parents could work. Yes they worked incredibly hard but they had certain advantages that others did not have.
That's another myth. Most of the "benefits" favor middle and upper middle class because they are based upon tax deductions and credits. Most of the people on food stamps for example are children, the elderly, and the working poor.
http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/08/six-myths-about-food-stamps/
Also..how much do you think people get on food stamps? A family of 4 gets a maximum of $649 a month for food stamp. Do you really think that someone is not working to collect that? (not to mention there are work requirements to qualify for food stamps).
No...the hurdles to employment are multifold including lack of affordable child care and transportation.
lowlyirvinerenter
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Irvinecommuter said:
Most legal immigrants to this country have work permits (be it a work visa, green card or otherwise). If you are talking about illegal immigrants, they will not have much options because they are illegal, illegal being the keyword.
You might know families that came over with a lot of money, but I know people that came with close to nothing and working multiple jobs they ensured that their kids had a better chance and imparted those values to their kids as well.
Based on your comments it seems you do not know many people that abuse the system, which is good and to be expected since you live in Irvine.
My neighbor works at a school that is in a very low income neighborhood and she constantly mentions how a lot of parents of kids in their school don't work and get by just on benefits. Expensive child-care is not preventing them from leaving their kids with the grand-parents to go on shopping excursions and buying expensive phones or cars. A lot of these parents don't want to spend a single dime on their kids books but will go out and buy the latest gadget if needed. Unfortunately there are a lot of such people and we need to have systems in place to prevent such abuses. Helping everyone prosper is a great thing, especially in an advanced society like ours, but without proper systems in place it can be a disaster.
Paris167
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Happiness said:
Haha, that's pretty funny. So anyone successful just has to owe their success to luck huh? What a lucky guy that Steve Jobs. He never worked hard, all of that success just fell in his lap by the Gods above. So I guess the 12-16 hour college study days had nothing to do with me snagging a spot out of 94 seats in a medical school with about 10,000 highly qualified applicants. I must thank my lucky stars!
Irvinecommuter
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Paris said:
That's not what Happiness is saying. What he is saying that there is a great deal of luck involved in everyone's success. People like to think that they pull themselves through their own efforts but most people don't.
Yes, you worked very hard to get to where you are but you assume that you are somehow special because you made it. You also assume that those people who didn't make it didn't work as hard as you or that someone else who didn't have the opportunity to apply for medical school didn't or wouldn't work as hard as you given the same opportunities.
Steve Job was lucky...he was adopted into a loving family who happened to live in Mountain View and encouraged his passion for tinkering. His family stuck with him despite his numerous issues at school.
He also happened to be introduced to Steve Wozniak by a HS school friend and Bill Hewlett gave him a summer job at age 13 on a whim.
Apple also almost collapses in the early 90s and was saved by a lot of inept competitors.
http://www.cnet.com/news/is-apples-success-the-result-of-luck-or-skill/
This doesn't negate that Steve Jobs worked really hard or was really talented. It just means that he was also very lucky.
qwerty
Well-known member
I have always been a believer that luck plays a big part in ones success. Hard work allows you to take advantage of that luck when it strikes. I always joke with my wife that I don't fall down, I only fall up. Every company I have worked for has printed money, which has meant generous pay packages and a good working environment. Last summer I decided I was going to leave my company with our second child on the way. I thought I was going to take a paycut coming to Orange County. Within a month of me deciding to leave I got calls from two recruiters, got two offers, one for essentially the same money and one for actually more money. What were the chances of that? And the cherry on top was that timing worked out where I got my bonus, my equity vested and then I gave my two week notice. If that's not luck I don't know what is.
Rather err on the side of solid work ethic and setting goals than hope for luck.
(Still waiting to win powerball jackpot!)
A lot of the examples here sure are extreme, but for most of us under the bell curve, really can't depend success on life based on luck. Just live life happy!
(Still waiting to win powerball jackpot!)
A lot of the examples here sure are extreme, but for most of us under the bell curve, really can't depend success on life based on luck. Just live life happy!
qwerty
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AW said:
I guess the way I look at it is that there are many more harder workers than me out there, many smarter people than me out there, yet I'm the one sitting in the roles I had/have. So how does someone who is not the smartest, not the hardest worker end up where I have? I have to attribute it to luck.
Irvinecommuter
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AW said:
No one is contending that you shouldn't work hard. The issue is whether the lack of success means that you didn't.
I agree with Qwerty in that I coasted through HS and mostly through college and yet did decently. Could I have done better, definitely but there were a lot people who worked a lot harder than me in HS and college.
Irvinecommuter
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bones said:
That's why it's TalkIrvine...not Talk Newport Beach or Talk Coto De Caza.