McCain admits defeat, picks somebody REALLY not qualified to be president

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[quote author="lawyerliz" date=1220071209]If McC drops dead the week after he's elected, if he's elected,

does anybody here think she is capable of running the country?

Especially when it's in a mess like now??</blockquote>


I'm not choosing sides here (because I think both Obama and McCain are a joke), but I have to say that the Democrats might want to tone down the "lack of experience" chest beating about the BOTTOM of the McCain ticket, because you could argue that she not much less quailifed than the TOP of the Obama ticket.



- Obama was elected to the Senate in 2006, but has spent nearly his entire term campaigning rather than legislating. Before that he was an Illinois State Representative. And a community organizer before that. And he wrote some books.



- Ms. Palin was elected Governor in 2006 (same year), and by all indications has accomplished a lot during her two years. Before that was a mayor of a city of 9,000 since 1996. Small potatoes, but arguably a job with a higher responsibility level than a State Representative. Before that on a City Council from 1992 - 96.



I suppose we can debate all day whether the executive experience of a Governor trumps the Washington insider experience of a US Senator all day --- but who has spent more time *on the job* since 2006? Be critical of the Palin pick for all sorts of ideological reasons --- But I'd be careful of playing the experience card too hard --- because it would appear on paper that she is not too far from your guy in the experience category. And she's #2 on the ticket, not on the top.
 
Gotta love an election year. Honestly, its like a substitute for a couple years ago when the bulls and bears were going at it. Each steadfastly believing in their own point of view, launching personal attacks at one another, etc.



I do think we need to keep it civil.



But then again, I'll probably read something here that offends me and try to come out with both barrels blazing.
 
[quote author="FairEconomist" date=1220073499]Obama has 12 years of legislative experience at the state and national level, a stellar legislative record.</blockquote>


What defines a stellar legislative record? 129 present votes on controversial issues? But he is a new kind of politician, right?



<a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/the_everpresent_obama.html">The Ever Present Obama</a>
 
[quote author="FairEconomist" date=1220073499]In terms of experience and qualifications, there's no comparison between Obama and Palin. Obama has 12 years of legislative experience at the state and national level, a stellar legislative record, top academic qualifications, and was already a leading political orator and writer before his campaign. He also defeated the best-known name in Democratic politics for the Democratic nomination. Palin has 2 years of state/national experience and her only memorable accomplishment has been to get embroiled in a small-scale scandal. Obama's qualifications arguably surpass those of many previous presidents, including Reagan and Lincoln. Palin, if she got the job, would be the least-experienced politician President ever.</blockquote>


"stellar legislatie record"?? do you mind share with us the details and hard facts?



"top academic qualifications". well Bush has that too, I am sure many demos will say that doesn't mean a thing.



"He also defeated the best-known name in Democratic politics for the Democratic nomination" He defeated HC by a very narrow margin. Half of the demos didn't vote for him.



"Palin has 2 years of state/national experience and her only memorable accomplishment has been to get embroiled in a small-scale scandal." I suggest you to find out the facts first before say something like that!
 
I'm not a fan of Palin's but I have to point out:



Obama has spent a total of 147 days in the Senate.

He was a city council member.

He did coke....oooops!

He served 7 years in the IL Senate.



Hardly the resume of a statesman ready to lead the USA.
 
[quote author="irvine123" date=1220073953]Here is my question, forget about VPs for now.



WHY Obama is not 15 to 20 points ahead???</blockquote>


I'd guess the following:



1. the dem's campaign still rings too close to "anybody but Bush". Many people learned their lesson with Bush. They don't want to go from the frying pan to the fire again. Bush is bad, they get that. Now, why is Obama good and how exactly is he going to do the grandoise plans? The message they got? McCain more of the same...



2. The last eight years have been about too much government and too much government meddling in lives and rights and the Government doing the wrongs things, like Torture. Obama's speeches are Government do this, Government to do that, Government to do that too, and that, and that, and that. That's more Government, more government involvement... I think many people have frankly had enough of the Government.



3. Obama talks about uplift, unity, hope, Green energy, Afghanistan, people hear, spend,spend, spend and they're already broke and I don't think anybody believes the they're going to tax somebody else stuff.



But basically, I think it's because people hear big talk and no details... and that's what Bush burned them on...
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1220074737]Uh oh Winex, she admits to smoking the doobies !</blockquote>


And her first baby had Down's syndrome?



They should indiect her for child endangerment, not nominate her for VP.
 
uh, not to err on the side of Reeps....but this is her 5th child....and she admits to smoking the ganga when it was legal for personal use in Alaska way back when.....



just saying....
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1220102588][quote author="Trooper" date=1220074737]Uh oh Winex, she admits to smoking the doobies !</blockquote>


And her first baby had Down's syndrome?



They should indiect her for child endangerment, not nominate her for VP.</blockquote>


get your facts right before say silly things like that...
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1220102814]uh, not to err on the side of Reeps....but this is her 5th child....and she admits to smoking the ganga when it was legal for personal use in Alaska way back when.....



just saying....</blockquote>




plenty of professional women giving birth in their early 40s in case you don't know...My wife's OBGY in Newport beach specilizes in women above 40, and his office is always packed...



She admitted smoking the ganga when it was legal in Alasak..."LEGAL"...DO I HAVE TO REPEAT IT? LEGAL...I guess out of anyone here, you should be among the ones know what "legal" means...
 
[quote author="irvine123" date=1220074113]"top academic qualifications". well Bush has that too, I am sure many demos will say that doesn't mean a thing.</blockquote>


He was a C student who only got into the schools he did because of his father. Mediocre is what he was as a student, and less than mediocre is what he has done as president.



<blockquote>"He also defeated the best-known name in Democratic politics for the Democratic nomination" He defeated HC by a very narrow margin. Half of the demos didn't vote for him.</blockquote>


Wrong, many of the demos and republicans voted for Ron Paul. If those votes were to go to those candidates, they would have increased Obama's margin.
 
[quote author="norcaljeff" date=1220098094]He did coke....oooops!</blockquote>


Doh! So did our current president. So what is the difference? If doing coke is so bad to not elect someone as president, then why did so many hypocrites vote for him? Did you vote for him? Cuz, if you did, then you voted for someone who did coke, and if you won't vote for someone who did coke, then you are being a hypocrite.
 
[quote author="irvine123" date=1220103594][quote author="Trooper" date=1220102814]uh, not to err on the side of Reeps....but this is her 5th child....and she admits to smoking the ganga when it was legal for personal use in Alaska way back when.....



just saying....</blockquote>




plenty of professional women giving birth in their early 40s in case you don't know...My wife's OBGY in Newport beach specilizes in women above 40, and his office is always packed...



She admitted smoking the ganga when it was legal in Alasak..."LEGAL"...DO I HAVE TO REPEAT IT? LEGAL...I guess out of anyone here, you should be among the ones know what "legal" means...</blockquote>


Grass hasn't been legal under federal law for a very long time. I doubt very much it was legal. Technically, if you have a priscription in California it's not illegal, but the Feds feel differently about obv. Splitting hairs. She's a hop head.



I apologize for getting the order wrong on her Down's syndrome child. I sincerely thought it was the first one.
 
Education & work experience



McCain/Palin: McCain scraped the bottom of his Naval Academy class, 894th out of 899. His running mate has a bachelor's in journalism from the University of Idaho. McCain's experience before politics is, naturally, the military. Besides being mayor of a town with pop. of 9,000, his running mate has held the jobs of helping her husband's family's fishing guide company and being a sports reporter for an Anchorage tv station. She also held a political appointment as the Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.



Obama/Biden: Barack Obama..J.D. from Harvard Law School in 1991 after a BA. in political science from Columbia Univ. in 1983. He was a civil rights attorney, served in the Illinois Senate, and in concurrent years to his state Senate service, he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. In the November 2004 general election, Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate in a landslide 70% to 27% victory over his next opponent, and has been a senator since then.

Joe Biden's educational background..J.D. from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968 after a double major in history and political science from the Univ. of Delaware in 1965. Biden became a senator in 1973 at age 30, the fifth-youngest senator in U.S. history. He holds at least one honorary degree, and has taught as an adjunct law professor at the Widener University School of Law.
 
one can spin anything they want based their needs...



If Obama is that smart, i would love to hear the details behind his tax cut for 95% of americans and have a gov sponsored national health care system. If he can prove to me his plan will actually work without dipping to many of us pocket and prove to us that his national healthcare system will actually work, and provide the quality care even though Canada, English are moving towards private care, then i might vote for him even though I am a Republican. WHY I know canada, England are moving towards private care? Because I have some involvement on those projects. After private operators take over, the hospitals just became much for efficient.
 
Don't know if anyone has brought this up, but did Palin realize that the likelihood of having a kid with Down's syndrome increase exponentially if the mother is over 40?



She was already 44 when the baby was born.



Chance of having a baby with down's:



If them mom is under 30 - less than 1 in 1000

If the mom is 40-45 more than 1 in 100

if the mom if over 45 - 1 in 25



Just wondering if she believes in science or realized the increased chances.



Kids with Down's have more problems than just a learning disablility.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1220053927][quote author="EvaLSeraphim" date=1220049228]Is it a contrast? Sarah Palin made a choice.</blockquote>


Eva, <strong>with limited exceptions,</strong> anyone who feels that they have a right to choose whether or not another human being lives or dies is pretty arrogant and foolish at the same time.</blockquote>


What are those limited exceptions, Winex? And who decided on them? Why are they not "pretty arrogant and foolish at the same time?"



While I don't always agree with it, I really respect the Catholic church, as its stand is at least consistent. It respects life - period. That means no abortion, but also no death penalty. It does what it can to reduce poverty so that the infants who are born don't suffer a premature death. The Pope stood up against the Iraq war, and recently has become interested in environmentalism.
 
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