Maricopa design appointments options/process

[broda]

looking back at old threads and just wondering, is the frame walkthrough the same as the pre-drywall walkthrough some of you guys mentioned?  Or am I to expect one more walk through before the final walkthrough at closing?  Was definitley going to get a 3rd party inspector at time of closing based if for nothing else peace of mind.

dusty shoe = framing walk through = pre-drywall.  Different terms for the same thing.  I was told Sunday there is no work going on, and you should be able to ask the sale associates to walk you to your property if it's still gated off.  This is "encouraged" by IP apparently.

 

[tracy]

They keep on telling me that irvine pacific home doesn't allow 3rd party inspector to do the pre-drywall inspection.

 

[qwerty]

They keep on telling me that irvine pacific home doesn't allow 3rd party inspector to do the pre-drywall inspection.

just tell them you dont feel comfortable closing on the house without your own inspector - im guessing they will give in or they could play a game of chicken with your deposit.

for what it is worth, william lyon does the pre-dry wall walkthrough, pre-floor walkthrough, and the final walkthrough.

 

[tracy]

They keep on telling me that irvine pacific home doesn't allow 3rd party inspector to do the pre-drywall inspection.

just tell them you dont feel comfortable closing on the house without your own inspector - im guessing they will give in or they could play a game of chicken with your deposit.

for what it is worth, william lyon does the pre-dry wall walkthrough, pre-floor walkthrough, and the final walkthrough.

I told them, but they still say no.

 

[changm55]

Since they were so adamant on trying to discourage me from getting an inspection, made me want it more. 

I should also add they told me they have their own 3rd party inspector go through the house.  I asked, if I could get a copy of that report.  They told me no...to that I said why would I trust your inspector if I can't even see the report?  Then they proceeded to tell me the city needed to make their inspections too and they wouldn't allow us to do anything illegal.  And I asked again, well do I get access to that report as well?  They again told me no, so I asked again, why wouldn't I want my own inspector?  Because we are a top notch builder and we don't do that to our customers. 

So, after all that, reading this forum...Steve from Build Rite.  He's a top notch guy?

same here... it became more of a matter of principle for me

steve was ok... there arent that many inspectors out there that specialize in new homes, so i picked him cause he responded well to my emails and questions... even though he was late to the inspection, in the end it worked out somehow since he accomidated my needs to having to sit on the sidelines while i dealt and negotiated with IP...

 

[changm55]

They keep on telling me that irvine pacific home doesn't allow 3rd party inspector to do the pre-drywall inspection.

just tell them you dont feel comfortable closing on the house without your own inspector - im guessing they will give in or they could play a game of chicken with your deposit.

for what it is worth, william lyon does the pre-dry wall walkthrough, pre-floor walkthrough, and the final walkthrough.

I told them, but they still say no.

how much do u want it? and how much are u willing to escalate?... honestly in the end i didnt care about the inspection, rather i just wanted to prove a point since it was a matter of principle as mentioned above... if ur not ready or willing to escalate then dont even bother rocking the boat...

maybe its just my personality... im always ready and willing to escalate... especially if it means proving a point... wheres the fun in life without it?

Mongol General: Conan! What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

 

[qwerty]

They keep on telling me that irvine pacific home doesn't allow 3rd party inspector to do the pre-drywall inspection.

just tell them you dont feel comfortable closing on the house without your own inspector - im guessing they will give in or they could play a game of chicken with your deposit.

for what it is worth, william lyon does the pre-dry wall walkthrough, pre-floor walkthrough, and the final walkthrough.

I told them, but they still say no.

you should request the paperwork to cancel the purchase and see what they do then.

 

[changm55]

They keep on telling me that irvine pacific home doesn't allow 3rd party inspector to do the pre-drywall inspection.

just tell them you dont feel comfortable closing on the house without your own inspector - im guessing they will give in or they could play a game of chicken with your deposit.

for what it is worth, william lyon does the pre-dry wall walkthrough, pre-floor walkthrough, and the final walkthrough.

I told them, but they still say no.

you should request the paperwork to cancel the purchase and see what they do then.

rofl IP hates that... especially if the options u pick nobody else likes... u should also say u cancel without being at fault too, say they breach their contract by not allowing a inspector, that way u get ur deposit back... dunno about options deposits tho, they pocket that for sure

 

[usctrojancpa]

They keep on telling me that irvine pacific home doesn't allow 3rd party inspector to do the pre-drywall inspection.

just tell them you dont feel comfortable closing on the house without your own inspector - im guessing they will give in or they could play a game of chicken with your deposit.

for what it is worth, william lyon does the pre-dry wall walkthrough, pre-floor walkthrough, and the final walkthrough.

I told them, but they still say no.

you should request the paperwork to cancel the purchase and see what they do then.

rofl IP hates that... especially if the options u pick nobody else likes... u should also say u cancel without being at fault too, say they breach their contract by not allowing a inspector, that way u get ur deposit back... dunno about options deposits tho, they pocket that for sure

Yup and if they are still refuse that tell them you'll see them in arbitration. 

 

[sentosa]

a few questions regarding the pre-drywall walk through:

1. r u suppose to do it with yr inspector before u do it with IP so that yr inspector has more time to check ?

2. how far ahead do they inform u about the date of the walk through?

3. if they deny your request for an inspector, what do u do? whom do you escalate to?

 

[broda]

a few questions regarding the pre-drywall walk through:

1. r u suppose to do it with yr inspector before u do it with IP so that yr inspector has more time to check ?

2. how far ahead do they inform u about the date of the walk through?

3. if they deny your request for an inspector, what do u do? whom do you escalate to?

1.  From what the impression they gave me is that you need to have permission granted from corporate in order to allow the 3rd party inspector.  So if you're going to throw a stink, do it now. 

2. What I was told is I can check my property every week if I really wanted to.  I just need to be escorted by a sales associate.  I said fine...I will be there EVERY week.

3.  I'd like to know this too.  I'm assuming you're going to have to go to corporate. 

 

[changm55]

a few questions regarding the pre-drywall walk through:

1. r u suppose to do it with yr inspector before u do it with IP so that yr inspector has more time to check ?

2. how far ahead do they inform u about the date of the walk through?

3. if they deny your request for an inspector, what do u do? whom do you escalate to?

1.  From what the impression they gave me is that you need to have permission granted from corporate in order to allow the 3rd party inspector.  So if you're going to throw a stink, do it now. 

2. What I was told is I can check my property every week if I really wanted to.  I just need to be escorted by a sales associate.  I said fine...I will be there EVERY week.

3.  I'd like to know this too.  I'm assuming you're going to have to go to corporate.

1.) they would not allow me to do this for drywall... but they do want me to do this for the preCO inspection

2.) only reason i got the dry wall walkthrough was cause i bugged them for it, and i bugged them a week and a half before it actually occured... so i guess u can say i was "notified" a week and half b4... final walkthrough they say they will let me know 30 days to 2 weeks in advance...

3.) i just told em im gonna bring a consultant along whos going to do a inspection on my behalf and they are not going to stop me as ive listed the reasons and they have yet to respond with an appropriate answer to why corporate policy is this way and why they do not allow inspections... also told them their lack of silence assumes they are ok with this and that i will also assume they will be scheduling an additional one hours time to accomidate for my consultants inspection... the contact person said they cant make the call so escalated to the manager, rinse n repeat same thing... regardless, they are not going to ever flat out say "ok we allow the inspection", but they will either remain silent or "turn a blind eye" and allow u... so even till the end, they never told me whether they allowed it or not, but i got my home inspected and submitted the list of found issues regardless... they said they will address the issues found but whatever, the same thing has been done with my loan approval, lot selection, design center issues, etc so i know there is no "set formula" for this home buying process beyond the escrow guidelines... even if they do not fix the issues (since they were all minor, if they were major id care a little more, but since they are all minor i really dont care), but if shit hits the fan, i have the time and date they received notice of those issues and i can hold them liable for not being up to code in the first place if my home falls down for any of the reasons on that list of issues and thats all the peace of mind that i want

funny thing is even what IP put me through, im still pretty excited about my new home haha... if i could close tomorrow and start moving i would haha (maybe its just cause its the first home buying experience for me here in the states so everythings kinda new haha)

 

[irvineshadow]

Kinda bummed out after looking at the construction progress this weekend.  Found out that some of my lights j-boxes were put in a wrong location compared to my diagram.  There wasn't much room to get them wrong so it's gonna look bad if left that way, AND the dry wall is up. 

Are drywall patch-ups bad news if they have to fix that?

 

[qwerty]

Kinda bummed out after looking at the construction progress this weekend.  Found out that some of my lights j-boxes were put in a wrong location compared to my diagram.  There wasn't much room to get them wrong so it's gonna look bad if left that way, AND the dry wall is up. 

Are drywall patch-ups bad news if they have to fix that?

if i could see the drywall patch-ups i would make them redo the whole wall/area/section - ill be damned if im paying three quarters of a million + to have to see drywall patched up the whole time im there.

 

[tracy]

Kinda bummed out after looking at the construction progress this weekend.  Found out that some of my lights j-boxes were put in a wrong location compared to my diagram.  There wasn't much room to get them wrong so it's gonna look bad if left that way, AND the dry wall is up. 

Are drywall patch-ups bad news if they have to fix that?

You didn't check during the pre-drywall walk through? By the way, which j-boxes did they mess up?

 

[irvineshadow]

if i could see the drywall patch-ups i would make them redo the whole wall/area/section - ill be damned if im paying three quarters of a million + to have to see drywall patched up the whole time im there.

Good advice, I would hate to come home every day and be reminded of the mess that was made.

You didn't check during the pre-drywall walk through? By the way, which j-boxes did they mess up?

They are j-boxes for pendant lights over the counter.  They had to be moved so as to not conflict with standard kitchen can lights, but when they were moved by the builder they aren't even centered in anyway over the counter.  I brought it up that they need to be centered over the counter, but the counter was only just installed while the pre drywall walk was a month ago, so it was difficult to tell exactly where the pendant lights were, but I did bring up that they should be centered and good looking.  The installers must have been confused. 

As it is it looks bad.

 

[qwerty]

if i could see the drywall patch-ups i would make them redo the whole wall/area/section - ill be damned if im paying three quarters of a million + to have to see drywall patched up the whole time im there.

Good advice, I would hate to come home every day and be reminded of the mess that was made.

you would think it is the least they can do since you are spending hundreds of thousands and they are spending hundreds of dollars to fix it.

 

[broda]

Kinda bummed out after looking at the construction progress this weekend.  Found out that some of my lights j-boxes were put in a wrong location compared to my diagram.  There wasn't much room to get them wrong so it's gonna look bad if left that way, AND the dry wall is up. 

Are drywall patch-ups bad news if they have to fix that?

They gave you a diagram of where all your electrical is suppose to go?  When did you receive this diagram? 

Do they give you a diagram with all the measurements of your house?  Basically a copy  of the blue print?

 

[irvineshadow]

They gave you a diagram of where all your electrical is suppose to go?  When did you receive this diagram? 

Do they give you a diagram with all the measurements of your house?  Basically a copy  of the blue print?

if the builder is IP you can use their online tools to lay out your electrical upgrades, but that's only during stage 2 I think.  The diagram is a not as specific as a blueprint, just a simple plan view that you can drop your electric items on. 

 

[Irvine_Dreamer]

They are j-boxes for pendant lights over the counter.  They had to be moved so as to not conflict with standard kitchen can lights, but when they were moved by the builder they aren't even centered in anyway over the counter.  I brought it up that they need to be centered over the counter, but the counter was only just installed while the pre drywall walk was a month ago, so it was difficult to tell exactly where the pendant lights were, but I did bring up that they should be centered and good looking.  The installers must have been confused. 

As it is it looks bad.

Aren't you suppose to put j-box in place of can light if it overlaps?
That's what I did for the ceiling fan mount at great room.
Removed the center can light and installed fan mount.
I was not given any credit for that can light though.