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Demar Rozen to the Bulls.
I thought he was going to the Lakers. (I guess the youtube interview a joke)

 

[sleepy5136]

But the way you're looking at it isn't proving or disproving my point. I'm not denying the importance of the 3. I'm saying that all the teams that won it all largely had a very strong midrange game.

midrange is almost non-existent nowadays. It's 3 or the paint. midrange is more player specific like D-Wade/Middleton/Kawhi. It's honestly more about having a closer and a playmaker that determine who wins the championship. For this year it was Giannis the play maker and Middleton the closer. It really doesn't matter if it's a 2/3 tbh. Last year was Lebron and AD. Lebron being the playmaker/closer and AD being the closer. Warriors was Curry/Draymond play maker and KD/Klay the closers.

 

[eyephone]

Tht signs with the Lakers 3 year $32 mil.  8)

 

[eyephone]

Lakers sign Kendrick Nunn. What a great signing. Wow!
Mr. Rob Pelinka and the Lakers did an amazing job this off season.

 

[qwerty]

Latest roster:

LAKERS UPDATED DEPTH CHART:
PG: Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn
SG: Talen Horton-Tucker, Malik Monk, Wayne Ellington, Kent Bazemore
SF: LeBron James, Trevor Ariza
PF: Anthony Davis, Carmelo Anthony
C:  Marc Gasol, Dwight Howard

 

[qwerty]

The roster is filling out better than I thought it would. Not bad at all

 

[Cares]

But the way you're looking at it isn't proving or disproving my point. I'm not denying the importance of the 3. I'm saying that all the teams that won it all largely had a very strong midrange game.

midrange is almost non-existent nowadays. It's 3 or the paint. midrange is more player specific like D-Wade/Middleton/Kawhi. It's honestly more about having a closer and a playmaker that determine who wins the championship. For this year it was Giannis the play maker and Middleton the closer. It really doesn't matter if it's a 2/3 tbh. Last year was Lebron and AD. Lebron being the playmaker/closer and AD being the closer. Warriors was Curry/Draymond play maker and KD/Klay the closers.

I don't know why would you think the mid-range is non-existent. Here is % of shots taken from 10 to 3PT range vs 3PT during the playoffs from the highest usage
players of each team.

Giannis Antetokounmpo 19% vs 16%
Khris Middleton 37% vs 39%
Jrue Holiday 21% vs 37%

Devin Booker 43% vs 29%
Chris Paul 58% vs 22%

Trae Young 28% vs 40%
Bogdan Bogdanovic 21% vs 57%

Paul George 26% vs 41%
Kawhi Leonard 29% vs 29%
Reggie Jackson 14% vs 56%

The teams that made it through to the finals have a vastly different midrange vs 3PT shot selection. Hawks and Clippers flamed out because they relied too much on the 3PT shot whereas teams can develop defensive schemes against it. You need a strong midrange to win championships like every other team that has had it.

 

[akula1488]

Carmelo the midrange king

But the way you're looking at it isn't proving or disproving my point. I'm not denying the importance of the 3. I'm saying that all the teams that won it all largely had a very strong midrange game.

midrange is almost non-existent nowadays. It's 3 or the paint. midrange is more player specific like D-Wade/Middleton/Kawhi. It's honestly more about having a closer and a playmaker that determine who wins the championship. For this year it was Giannis the play maker and Middleton the closer. It really doesn't matter if it's a 2/3 tbh. Last year was Lebron and AD. Lebron being the playmaker/closer and AD being the closer. Warriors was Curry/Draymond play maker and KD/Klay the closers.

I don't know why would you think the mid-range is non-existent. Here is % of shots taken from 10 to 3PT range vs 3PT during the playoffs from the highest usage
players of each team.

Giannis Antetokounmpo 19% vs 16%
Khris Middleton 37% vs 39%
Jrue Holiday 21% vs 37%

Devin Booker 43% vs 29%
Chris Paul 58% vs 22%

Trae Young 28% vs 40%
Bogdan Bogdanovic 21% vs 57%

Paul George 26% vs 41%
Kawhi Leonard 29% vs 29%
Reggie Jackson 14% vs 56%

The teams that made it through to the finals have a vastly different midrange vs 3PT shot selection. Hawks and Clippers flamed out because they relied too much on the 3PT shot whereas teams can develop defensive schemes against it. You need a strong midrange to win championships like every other team that has had it.

 

[sleepy5136]

But the way you're looking at it isn't proving or disproving my point. I'm not denying the importance of the 3. I'm saying that all the teams that won it all largely had a very strong midrange game.

midrange is almost non-existent nowadays. It's 3 or the paint. midrange is more player specific like D-Wade/Middleton/Kawhi. It's honestly more about having a closer and a playmaker that determine who wins the championship. For this year it was Giannis the play maker and Middleton the closer. It really doesn't matter if it's a 2/3 tbh. Last year was Lebron and AD. Lebron being the playmaker/closer and AD being the closer. Warriors was Curry/Draymond play maker and KD/Klay the closers.

I don't know why would you think the mid-range is non-existent. Here is % of shots taken from 10 to 3PT range vs 3PT during the playoffs from the highest usage
players of each team.

Giannis Antetokounmpo 19% vs 16%
Khris Middleton 37% vs 39%
Jrue Holiday 21% vs 37%

Devin Booker 43% vs 29%
Chris Paul 58% vs 22%

Trae Young 28% vs 40%
Bogdan Bogdanovic 21% vs 57%

Paul George 26% vs 41%
Kawhi Leonard 29% vs 29%
Reggie Jackson 14% vs 56%

The teams that made it through to the finals have a vastly different midrange vs 3PT shot selection. Hawks and Clippers flamed out because they relied too much on the 3PT shot whereas teams can develop defensive schemes against it. You need a strong midrange to win championships like every other team that has had it.

Half the people you mention are not even champions. We are talking about champions. In addition, mid range game is easy to defend as it's generally a lot of ISO involved. Double team the dude and BAM you're done. You double a 3pt shooter like curry, you can generally kick it to another open person at the 3pt line or they go diving into the paint for a 2pointer, not a midrange... That's how the game has changed since you can't even touch a shooter in this league without it being a foul..

 

[sleepy5136]

Carmelo the midrange king

But the way you're looking at it isn't proving or disproving my point. I'm not denying the importance of the 3. I'm saying that all the teams that won it all largely had a very strong midrange game.

midrange is almost non-existent nowadays. It's 3 or the paint. midrange is more player specific like D-Wade/Middleton/Kawhi. It's honestly more about having a closer and a playmaker that determine who wins the championship. For this year it was Giannis the play maker and Middleton the closer. It really doesn't matter if it's a 2/3 tbh. Last year was Lebron and AD. Lebron being the playmaker/closer and AD being the closer. Warriors was Curry/Draymond play maker and KD/Klay the closers.

I don't know why would you think the mid-range is non-existent. Here is % of shots taken from 10 to 3PT range vs 3PT during the playoffs from the highest usage
players of each team.

Giannis Antetokounmpo 19% vs 16%
Khris Middleton 37% vs 39%
Jrue Holiday 21% vs 37%

Devin Booker 43% vs 29%
Chris Paul 58% vs 22%

Trae Young 28% vs 40%
Bogdan Bogdanovic 21% vs 57%

Paul George 26% vs 41%
Kawhi Leonard 29% vs 29%
Reggie Jackson 14% vs 56%

The teams that made it through to the finals have a vastly different midrange vs 3PT shot selection. Hawks and Clippers flamed out because they relied too much on the 3PT shot whereas teams can develop defensive schemes against it. You need a strong midrange to win championships like every other team that has had it.

Carmelo has reached the finals 0 times totaling 0 rings.

 

[usctrojancpa]

Well this upcoming season is going to be interesting.  I think there were be a good bit of load management for Lebron and AD during the regular season and they'll win around 55-60 games.

 

[Cares]

But the way you're looking at it isn't proving or disproving my point. I'm not denying the importance of the 3. I'm saying that all the teams that won it all largely had a very strong midrange game.

midrange is almost non-existent nowadays. It's 3 or the paint. midrange is more player specific like D-Wade/Middleton/Kawhi. It's honestly more about having a closer and a playmaker that determine who wins the championship. For this year it was Giannis the play maker and Middleton the closer. It really doesn't matter if it's a 2/3 tbh. Last year was Lebron and AD. Lebron being the playmaker/closer and AD being the closer. Warriors was Curry/Draymond play maker and KD/Klay the closers.

I don't know why would you think the mid-range is non-existent. Here is % of shots taken from 10 to 3PT range vs 3PT during the playoffs from the highest usage
players of each team.

Giannis Antetokounmpo 19% vs 16%
Khris Middleton 37% vs 39%
Jrue Holiday 21% vs 37%

Devin Booker 43% vs 29%
Chris Paul 58% vs 22%

Trae Young 28% vs 40%
Bogdan Bogdanovic 21% vs 57%

Paul George 26% vs 41%
Kawhi Leonard 29% vs 29%
Reggie Jackson 14% vs 56%

The teams that made it through to the finals have a vastly different midrange vs 3PT shot selection. Hawks and Clippers flamed out because they relied too much on the 3PT shot whereas teams can develop defensive schemes against it. You need a strong midrange to win championships like every other team that has had it.

Half the people you mention are not even champions. We are talking about champions. In addition, mid range game is easy to defend as it's generally a lot of ISO involved. Double team the dude and BAM you're done. You double a 3pt shooter like curry, you can generally kick it to another open person at the 3pt line or they go diving into the paint for a 2pointer, not a midrange... That's how the game has changed since you can't even touch a shooter in this league without it being a foul..

You're not understanding the point then. In order to make it through playoffs and win the championship, a team cannot devalue the midrange (save for the historically good Warriors). But even then let's look at the Raptors vs Warriors finals year.

Kawhi - 47% vs 29%
Ibaka - 50% vs 20%
Siakam - 42% vs 27%

Curry - 14% vs 25%
Klay - 39% vs 44%
Durant - 45% vs 33%

Granted Warriors had injuries but once again the midrange 2 vs 3PT shot selection flipped. On top of that, they flamed out when Durant got hurt who was their strongest midrange pull up player.

Proof is in the pudding. Find me a season in which the eventual winner won without a high % of shots from the mid range. Except the Warriors championships.

 

[sleepy5136]

Well this upcoming season is going to be interesting.  I think there were be a good bit of load management for Lebron and AD during the regular season and they'll win around 55-60 games.

I miss Kobe Bryant. He use to call out all the players doing "load management". I hate how the league is not doing anything about this. It devalues the regular season and especially sucks when star players take the day off in road games. People work hard to see the star players who come once a year.

 

[sleepy5136]

But the way you're looking at it isn't proving or disproving my point. I'm not denying the importance of the 3. I'm saying that all the teams that won it all largely had a very strong midrange game.

midrange is almost non-existent nowadays. It's 3 or the paint. midrange is more player specific like D-Wade/Middleton/Kawhi. It's honestly more about having a closer and a playmaker that determine who wins the championship. For this year it was Giannis the play maker and Middleton the closer. It really doesn't matter if it's a 2/3 tbh. Last year was Lebron and AD. Lebron being the playmaker/closer and AD being the closer. Warriors was Curry/Draymond play maker and KD/Klay the closers.

I don't know why would you think the mid-range is non-existent. Here is % of shots taken from 10 to 3PT range vs 3PT during the playoffs from the highest usage
players of each team.

Giannis Antetokounmpo 19% vs 16%
Khris Middleton 37% vs 39%
Jrue Holiday 21% vs 37%

Devin Booker 43% vs 29%
Chris Paul 58% vs 22%

Trae Young 28% vs 40%
Bogdan Bogdanovic 21% vs 57%

Paul George 26% vs 41%
Kawhi Leonard 29% vs 29%
Reggie Jackson 14% vs 56%

The teams that made it through to the finals have a vastly different midrange vs 3PT shot selection. Hawks and Clippers flamed out because they relied too much on the 3PT shot whereas teams can develop defensive schemes against it. You need a strong midrange to win championships like every other team that has had it.

Half the people you mention are not even champions. We are talking about champions. In addition, mid range game is easy to defend as it's generally a lot of ISO involved. Double team the dude and BAM you're done. You double a 3pt shooter like curry, you can generally kick it to another open person at the 3pt line or they go diving into the paint for a 2pointer, not a midrange... That's how the game has changed since you can't even touch a shooter in this league without it being a foul..

You're not understanding the point then. In order to make it through playoffs and win the championship, a team cannot devalue the midrange (save for the historically good Warriors). But even then let's look at the Raptors vs Warriors finals year.

Kawhi - 47% vs 29%
Ibaka - 50% vs 20%
Siakam - 42% vs 27%

Curry - 14% vs 25%
Klay - 39% vs 44%
Durant - 45% vs 33%

Granted Warriors had injuries but once again the midrange 2 vs 3PT shot selection flipped. On top of that, they flamed out when Durant got hurt who was their strongest midrange pull up player.

Proof is in the pudding. Find me a season in which the eventual winner won without a high % of shots from the mid range. Except the Warriors championships. 

You make it through to the finals and win championships by having a closer and a play maker. Again, it does not matter if it's a 2/3, pull up, dunk, etc.

Also, there exists no stats that differentiates points in the paint vs midrange. You can't assume that every FG that is not a 3 is a midrange shot.

 

[Cares]

But the way you're looking at it isn't proving or disproving my point. I'm not denying the importance of the 3. I'm saying that all the teams that won it all largely had a very strong midrange game.

midrange is almost non-existent nowadays. It's 3 or the paint. midrange is more player specific like D-Wade/Middleton/Kawhi. It's honestly more about having a closer and a playmaker that determine who wins the championship. For this year it was Giannis the play maker and Middleton the closer. It really doesn't matter if it's a 2/3 tbh. Last year was Lebron and AD. Lebron being the playmaker/closer and AD being the closer. Warriors was Curry/Draymond play maker and KD/Klay the closers.

I don't know why would you think the mid-range is non-existent. Here is % of shots taken from 10 to 3PT range vs 3PT during the playoffs from the highest usage
players of each team.

Giannis Antetokounmpo 19% vs 16%
Khris Middleton 37% vs 39%
Jrue Holiday 21% vs 37%

Devin Booker 43% vs 29%
Chris Paul 58% vs 22%

Trae Young 28% vs 40%
Bogdan Bogdanovic 21% vs 57%

Paul George 26% vs 41%
Kawhi Leonard 29% vs 29%
Reggie Jackson 14% vs 56%

The teams that made it through to the finals have a vastly different midrange vs 3PT shot selection. Hawks and Clippers flamed out because they relied too much on the 3PT shot whereas teams can develop defensive schemes against it. You need a strong midrange to win championships like every other team that has had it.

Half the people you mention are not even champions. We are talking about champions. In addition, mid range game is easy to defend as it's generally a lot of ISO involved. Double team the dude and BAM you're done. You double a 3pt shooter like curry, you can generally kick it to another open person at the 3pt line or they go diving into the paint for a 2pointer, not a midrange... That's how the game has changed since you can't even touch a shooter in this league without it being a foul..

You're not understanding the point then. In order to make it through playoffs and win the championship, a team cannot devalue the midrange (save for the historically good Warriors). But even then let's look at the Raptors vs Warriors finals year.

Kawhi - 47% vs 29%
Ibaka - 50% vs 20%
Siakam - 42% vs 27%

Curry - 14% vs 25%
Klay - 39% vs 44%
Durant - 45% vs 33%

Granted Warriors had injuries but once again the midrange 2 vs 3PT shot selection flipped. On top of that, they flamed out when Durant got hurt who was their strongest midrange pull up player.

Proof is in the pudding. Find me a season in which the eventual winner won without a high % of shots from the mid range. Except the Warriors championships. 

You make it through to the finals and win championships by having a closer and a play maker. Again, it does not matter if it's a 2/3, pull up, dunk, etc.

Also, there exists no stats that differentiates points in the paint vs midrange. You can't assume that every FG that is not a 3 is a midrange shot.

There are the stats from Basketball Reference. The stats exist. These are shots from 3 feet out to 3pt. Ignoring 0-3 foot shots. Trust me, I'm a huge basketball stats guy.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/2021.html#playoffs_shooting

 

[usctrojancpa]

Well this upcoming season is going to be interesting.  I think there were be a good bit of load management for Lebron and AD during the regular season and they'll win around 55-60 games.

I miss Kobe Bryant. He use to call out all the players doing "load management". I hate how the league is not doing anything about this. It devalues the regular season and especially sucks when star players take the day off in road games. People work hard to see the star players who come once a year.

Yeah, some of these superstars are as soft as creme puffs and that's why I don't really watch the NBA until the playoffs.  I don't remember Magic, Jordan, Kobe, etc taking games off. 

 

[Cares]

Sorry 10 feet out to 3PT. So ignoring 0-10 foot shots.

 

[qwerty]

Well this upcoming season is going to be interesting.  I think there were be a good bit of load management for Lebron and AD during the regular season and they'll win around 55-60 games.

This is why I think Westbrook should work out. While I?m not a fan of load management, at some point it may make sense. Lebron turns 37 this year so for him it would be understandable. Westbrook should be able to carry the load for Lebron during the regular season.  I wouldn?t be a fan of Davis load managing. That guy is going to get hurt either way. Players under 30 should not be load managing.

 

[Cares]

Well this upcoming season is going to be interesting.  I think there were be a good bit of load management for Lebron and AD during the regular season and they'll win around 55-60 games.

This is why I think Westbrook should work out. While I?m not a fan of load management, at some point it may make sense. Lebron turns 37 this year so for him it would be understandable. Westbrook should be able to carry the load for Lebron during the regular season.  I wouldn?t be a fan of Davis load managing. That guy is going to get hurt either way. Players under 30 should not be load managing.

Lakers can't even field a starting 5 under 30 

 

[akula1488]

Clippers just got mini LeBron and I like their big 3 better (Kawhi, PG and Bledsoe)