Laguna Altura in 2011

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Given the location and layout of Laguna Altura it would have been better to build the new NFL stadium for the Chargers there.
Perfect looking bowl.
Multiple freeway access.
Central location between LA and San Diego.
That would give a rejuvenated image to Irvine and turned the local economy around.
Perhaps it's not too late. They'd just need to relocate the few first buyers to the identical homes 2 miles away at SG.
 
My guess is LA will be just another QH.  Another Enclave for wealthy Asians who love Rancho and Uni.  I wish Irvine had more diversity.  It would be great to have an equal number of all races.  Why are the Caucasians moving out of Irvine??  I see more of that daily.       
 
jsk said:
My guess is LA will be just another QH.  Another Enclave for wealthy Asians who love Rancho and Uni.  I wish Irvine had more diversity.  It would be great to have an equal number of all races.  Why are the Caucasians moving out of Irvine??  I see more of that daily.       

I am not sure who is buying at LA yet but based on my Sunday visit there were a lot more Caucasians than your typical TIC openings. Will this translate into more diversity? Maybe, maybe not. If you want a Whiter neighborhood, move to South County.
 
Thermofoil said:
The main entry gate wasn't cheap. Rather impressive. Yet pretty slow to open. Don't know if anyone noticed but it took roughly 20 seconds for it to open. Imagine the waiting "single" lanes of cars coming from both inner roads in the morning once the 600 units are occupied. Add that to the long commute to Uni High or Rancho.

I agree, the entrance looks expensive and well landscaped and the gates themselves look nice. The cheap part and/or poor design was having only a single lane for entry and exit.  Traffic will tend to back up and having a 2nd lane for exit or entry, always gives you a back-up if there is gate malfunction/accident or pot-hole/road issue.

They might just keep the exit gate open during most of the day and only close it at night--this may solve some of the traffic issues caused by slow opening gates.
 
iacrenter said:
jsk said:
My guess is LA will be just another QH.  Another Enclave for wealthy Asians who love Rancho and Uni.  I wish Irvine had more diversity.  It would be great to have an equal number of all races.  Why are the Caucasians moving out of Irvine??  I see more of that daily.       

I am not sure who is buying at LA yet but based on my Sunday visit there were a lot more Caucasians than your typical TIC openings.
Not just more Caucasians... more non-Asians than I've seen in quite a few model home openings in the past few years.
 
Starlight East said:
sgip said:
Was chatting with a close friend employed by one of the utility companies TIC works closely with. Once this Summer season passes Wild Rivers is going to be scraped off the property. They are expecting to put 1700 or so apartment units at that spot. My neighbor and some TIC folks are going over maps and grading next week.

You were right, closing on Oct 2. The Verizon Amphitheater stays open and will provide entertainment for the 1700 apartments.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/park-301593-wild-rivers.html

Traffic and noise is going to be unbearable for those homes/apartments on concert days.  How would you like a 1.5 mile long backup full of parrotheads at your freeway exit when trying to get home.
 
Starlight East said:
davenlei said:
Traffic and noise is going to be unbearable for those homes/apartments on concert days.  How would you like a 1.5 mile long backup full of parrotheads at your freeway exit when trying to get home.

What noise? The sound disseminates.

From the article: 
"When asked about the possible issue residents may have with noise from the concerts, Freeman said that based on the preliminary studies of how the sound disseminates, the developer does not believe that sound will be an issue for residents"

free concert or entertainment for the new apartment residents; what not to like?
 
irvinehomeowner said:
newbiecommuter said:
This bend L-street seems to be a new addition.  It doesn't appear in the masterplan maps from Irvinerecords.  In the masterplan there is a private park in that area.  Irvine company sqeezing as many houses as possible?
???
That's why I asked about the age of that master plan because based on satellite footage... they've modified the layout. It looks like they've removed two cul-de-sacs and moved the pocket park more towards the interior. The Cortona homes look like they will not be perpendicular to the entrance like the master plan but parallel like the original sitemap from TRG:

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We visited last weekend and walked around and right away sensed that there's no community "appeal," just rows and rows of walls, and the parks look like afterthoughts instead of the grand feel that has characterized most TIC communities.  I think TIC made a big mistake scrapping the original plan with the grand entrance going straight to the main park/clubhouse area with the nicely landscaped pedestrian path linking the two pocket parks.  That would have made a nice walking path for the residents who might have let the community amenities let them overlook some of the disadvantages of the homes themselves which are carbon copies of SG and WB and have shared upstairs bathroom in $1M+ homes.  With the original plan, residents could have walked the length of the community every day along a nicely landscaped quiet interior walkway from one pocket park to the main park to the other pocket park thereby connecting all four neighborhoods, but with the new plan as constructed, there's no way to walk the length of the neighborhood except for a long boring noisy walk along the busy entrance street, and it seems like there's no community feel, just rows and rows of walls separating the four neighborhoods.  The two smaller neighborhoods are so far from the main park that they really feel like they are "on the wrong side of the tracks" whereas the original plan had a nice pocket park for them and easy walking access to the main park.  It could have been a really nice community as originally planned even with the recycled floorplans but looks like greed and squeezing in a few extra houses got in the way. 
 
TIC really dropped the ball here due to greed. I had the exact same feelings when I visited LA that the pocket parks/main park pale when compared to other A-villages like Woodbury. Sienna and San Remo owners get screwed up big time.
 
I think TIC believes that since so many of the buyers in Irvine are Asians (Taiwan, India, Hong Kong, etc) that high density housing or the feel of it is not a problem since this is the "norm" in Asia.

Also, TIC built all of the new homes with only 1 secondary bath upstairs.  Maybe TIC thought since this is the "norm" in Asia it would also be okay for Irvine....
 
aealong said:
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We visited last weekend and walked around and right away sensed that there's no community "appeal," just rows and rows of walls, and the parks look like afterthoughts instead of the grand feel that has characterized most TIC communities.  I think TIC made a big mistake scrapping the original plan with the grand entrance going straight to the main park/clubhouse area with the nicely landscaped pedestrian path linking the two pocket parks.  That would have made a nice walking path for the residents who might have let the community amenities let them overlook some of the disadvantages of the homes themselves which are carbon copies of SG and WB and have shared upstairs bathroom in $1M+ homes.  With the original plan, residents could have walked the length of the community every day along a nicely landscaped quiet interior walkway from one pocket park to the main park to the other pocket park thereby connecting all four neighborhoods, but with the new plan as constructed, there's no way to walk the length of the neighborhood except for a long boring noisy walk along the busy entrance street, and it seems like there's no community feel, just rows and rows of walls separating the four neighborhoods.  The two smaller neighborhoods are so far from the main park that they really feel like they are "on the wrong side of the tracks" whereas the original plan had a nice pocket park for them and easy walking access to the main park.  It could have been a really nice community as originally planned even with the recycled floorplans but looks like greed and squeezing in a few extra houses got in the way. 

I have to agree. Even with the recycled floor plans, LA is a missed opportunity. When you start creeping into this higher price range, buyers expect an A village quality to the community. That original design looks nice and incorporated a central tree lined paseo that would have tied the community together. That particular design element seems to work well in Northpark, connecting the large community pool/tot lot and club house/tot lot.
 
The stupid thing is they put more homes in and charged more.

Either put the same number of homes in and charge the same, or put more homes in and charge less.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
The stupid thing is they put more homes in and charged more.

Either put the same number of homes in and charge the same, or put more homes in and charge less.
They are trying to have their cake and eat it too.  This may come back to bite them in the behind.
 
I agree. Northwood II (2004) is probably half the size of Laguna Altura and has significantly more open space, parks, and trails.

I saw the evidence of ramped up land optimization coming when TIC eliminated one of Woodbury's planned pocket parks called "Pear Tree Garden" and replaced it with the Montecito II product in 2010. When met with resistance they told the residents that people just don't use pocket parks and that future neighborhoods will not have as many as their past developments. In the end the concession they gave Woodbury was a measly pedestrian trail cut through the perimeter wall around Montecito II. But hey, at least it was something.

Laguna Altura lacks 2 major factors that IMO add character or charm to a residential community. Not to say that TIC communities are prime examples of this.  1. linkage of pedestrian paths/ green spaces. 2. Front yards on the street that help integrate greenery on a public way. 

The originally planned pedestrian trails shown here would have added the connectivity throughout the neighborhood needed to establish a sense of place. Half the LA homes sit in alley motor courts behind long uninterrupted block walls. Cortona and Toscana face the street, but have something that resembles more of a dirt planter than a front yard.  It looks barren and sterile already without one of these amenities.  LA lacks both.
 
We saw a dead mouse in the backyard of Toscana Plan 1. There are some rat killer baits nearby. Can believe that you spend +1M to buy a Luxury home on the rat hill.
 
we saw these over the weekend. we liked the cortona plan 2 downstairs and the plan 3 upstairs, the sales rep said they were getting that feedback alot and would pass it along to the powers that be.  the freeway noise was not bad at all in my opinion. i did like the quick freeway access (405 or the 5). if the cortona plan 2 was in the 750K (275 sq/ft) range i could see us pulling trigger. but seeing as how we are several hundred thousand apart??
 
qwerty said:
if the cortona plan 2 was in the 750K (275 sq/ft) range i could see us pulling trigger.
Us and everyone else would be right there with you. Heck... if they did that at Stonegate's Maricopa Plan 2 we would be tempted.
 
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