irvinehomeowner
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Wait... your sarcasm is nonsensical.bones said:
Your kids still can't choose GATE, with or without Kumon. But they can choose IVC.
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Your kids still can't choose GATE, with or without Kumon. But they can choose IVC.
Argh. Yes. They choose you, but like zubs was saying... parents send their kid to extra tutoring so of course they are GATE identified so in a roundabout way, you are "choosing". Plus, if we are being technical, you are just choosing to apply to IVC/UCI, IVC/UCI still needs to choose you
I was in LV at spearmint rhino talking to this stripper who had a rich boyfriend. She said she was stripping because she'd rather have her own money then spend her boyfriends because "all money comes with strings attached when it's not yours".
Thats definitely a special child if she thought apaas wad a breeze. I was in APAAS in IUSD and it was the hardest school years of my life... I've kept in touch with old classmates and they all agree.
And it's not about telling kids they're special and more intelligent. It's about making sure these kids aren't getting bored in regular classes. But it seems to have morphed out of control into a status thing by parents.
All money comes with strings attached. I'm married, now my money is attached to my wife :-(
That's what I don't understand. Aren't a lot of these parents moving here for the express purpose of giving their kids an "American style education" and to get away from that horrible pressure? But then end up importing those same practices here anyway...Hence, no Uni, and no IUSD for me.
Your kids still can't choose GATE, with or without Kumon. But they can choose IVC.
irvinehomeowner said:Wait... your sarcasm is nonsensical.bones said:
Your kids still can't choose GATE, with or without Kumon. But they can choose IVC.
Argh. Yes. They choose you, but like zubs was saying... parents send their kid to extra tutoring so of course they are GATE identified so in a roundabout way, you are "choosing". Plus, if we are being technical, you are just choosing to apply to IVC/UCI, IVC/UCI still needs to choose you
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zubs
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qwerty said:I'm counting on my daughters looks to hopefully ensure she has a good life. Marrying rich > going to ivy
Hybrid vigor baby.
I was in LV at spearmint rhino talking to this stripper who had a rich boyfriend. She said she was stripping because she'd rather have her own money then spend her boyfriends because "all money comes with strings attached when it's not yours".
bones said:
Thats definitely a special child if she thought apaas wad a breeze. I was in APAAS in IUSD and it was the hardest school years of my life... I've kept in touch with old classmates and they all agree.
And it's not about telling kids they're special and more intelligent. It's about making sure these kids aren't getting bored in regular classes. But it seems to have morphed out of control into a status thing by parents.
qwerty
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zubs said:qwerty said:I'm counting on my daughters looks to hopefully ensure she has a good life. Marrying rich > going to ivy
Hybrid vigor baby.
I was in LV at spearmint rhino talking to this stripper who had a rich boyfriend. She said she was stripping because she'd rather have her own money then spend her boyfriends because "all money comes with strings attached when it's not yours".
All money comes with strings attached. I'm married, now my money is attached to my wife :-(
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This post took a turn. Lol
But for real though... Do the ti folks see good things from putting their kids in kumon?
But for real though... Do the ti folks see good things from putting their kids in kumon?
Ready2Downsize
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All we did was read to her and help her with her homework........and we did let her use what was at the time high tech......... an apple II GS computer when she was 4. Graphics and sound and in color.......... wowee........... none of her friends had computers! Reader Rabbit was so high tech!
Preschool was a mommy and me type program and Kindergarten was at Muir Fundamental School in gasp.......... Santa Ana. When she got to Westwood Basics Plus in first grade she was at the top of her class.
There were afterschool academic programs but she never went to any of them. I wanted her to be a kid.
Preschool was a mommy and me type program and Kindergarten was at Muir Fundamental School in gasp.......... Santa Ana. When she got to Westwood Basics Plus in first grade she was at the top of her class.
There were afterschool academic programs but she never went to any of them. I wanted her to be a kid.
B2FiNiTY
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I can't comment on how Kumon is now but Kumon back in the day was help to a short extent. They would teach you some great math short cuts and how to do problems fast yet correct. I stopped going around the 3rd grade or so because it was too expensive and not as helpful as before.
irvinehomeowner
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A few years ago, we were looking into opening a Kumon, you are only open a few hours a day and a few days a week. The program is set so you basically just have to do the training, pay the franchise fee, rent the space, buy the furnishings/materials, hire the tutors and it starts to run itself.
But we wanted to give it a try first. Did the intro session where they talked about the program with the adults and the kids got to "try" it.
It was okay. I can see how it helps many but in the end it wasn't something we could get behind especially if we were planning on running it as a business. It might have been the people who were running it (those of you in Irvine know only a certain few run the Kumons here) so there was that.
But we wanted to give it a try first. Did the intro session where they talked about the program with the adults and the kids got to "try" it.
It was okay. I can see how it helps many but in the end it wasn't something we could get behind especially if we were planning on running it as a business. It might have been the people who were running it (those of you in Irvine know only a certain few run the Kumons here) so there was that.
Ready2Downsize
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Hahahahaha! I volunteered for her class, grading papers and having the kids read to me and it was amazing the huge differences in the ability of the kids. Some could read most anything and others had trouble even knowing what sound letters made.
Fast forward to my third daughter.......... she had so many learning issues. We did the same thing for her as the other two....... same mommy and me preschool, same reading to the kid, helping with homework but for whatever reason that one just "never got it". I kept asking for help and the teachers kept telling me she was fine but her I caught her second grade teacher yelling at her after school one day.......... WHY can't you EVER get ANYTHING????????? What is WRONG with you? We have been OVER THIS MANY TIMES! Only reason I caught her was she never came out to get picked up, so I went to go find out where she was.
I was pretty darn mad. I said well........ I'll help her with her homework when we get home and she says SHE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS A MONTH! She was exasperated and I just said.......... I've been asking for help every year and everyone tells me she doesn't need any help.
Next year she had a teacher who had been a nurse and she tells me your daughter has a learning issue. Her drawings are worse than a kindergartener, everything in her portfolio is placed backwards and upside down, she zones out. I was sooooooooooooooooooooo relieved. After three years SOMEONE says she needs help. Never was a formal diagnosis but they said it was some kind of processing issue. Took her 10 min to take in what was told to her, figure out what was meant and respond which of course was waaaaaaaaay too long for anyone to wait for. She went to special ed where they taught her to deal with it. That special ed teacher took a child who probably would have been a complete failure in high school to being in an honors class and she is now a 2nd grade teacher. Hats off to Mrs. Phelps and Mrs. Cannon.
So...................... I really think that kids just have a predetermined talent. I don't think that my first daughter's success had a whole lot to do with us. Pushing them into learning can only go so far. I certainly tried my hardest with her to absolutely no avail.
Fast forward to my third daughter.......... she had so many learning issues. We did the same thing for her as the other two....... same mommy and me preschool, same reading to the kid, helping with homework but for whatever reason that one just "never got it". I kept asking for help and the teachers kept telling me she was fine but her I caught her second grade teacher yelling at her after school one day.......... WHY can't you EVER get ANYTHING????????? What is WRONG with you? We have been OVER THIS MANY TIMES! Only reason I caught her was she never came out to get picked up, so I went to go find out where she was.
I was pretty darn mad. I said well........ I'll help her with her homework when we get home and she says SHE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS A MONTH! She was exasperated and I just said.......... I've been asking for help every year and everyone tells me she doesn't need any help.
Next year she had a teacher who had been a nurse and she tells me your daughter has a learning issue. Her drawings are worse than a kindergartener, everything in her portfolio is placed backwards and upside down, she zones out. I was sooooooooooooooooooooo relieved. After three years SOMEONE says she needs help. Never was a formal diagnosis but they said it was some kind of processing issue. Took her 10 min to take in what was told to her, figure out what was meant and respond which of course was waaaaaaaaay too long for anyone to wait for. She went to special ed where they taught her to deal with it. That special ed teacher took a child who probably would have been a complete failure in high school to being in an honors class and she is now a 2nd grade teacher. Hats off to Mrs. Phelps and Mrs. Cannon.
So...................... I really think that kids just have a predetermined talent. I don't think that my first daughter's success had a whole lot to do with us. Pushing them into learning can only go so far. I certainly tried my hardest with her to absolutely no avail.
Ready2Downsize
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They said no she definitely didn't have dyslexia (even though she did place her portfolio pages backwards).
She had other problems when she was younger........... didn't stand up till she was 15 months old (even though she had the strength), lots of feeding problems, and social issues (couldn't stand being by herself........ ever).
Very lovable, very fun loving, but a hard one to bring up till we found out she just didn't get what was said to her.
BTW, she doesn't have any problems processing what is told to her now. Not sure if she would have outgrown it on her own..... maybe, but if we had waited till she was in jr high I think she definitely would be much worse off.
She had other problems when she was younger........... didn't stand up till she was 15 months old (even though she had the strength), lots of feeding problems, and social issues (couldn't stand being by herself........ ever).
Very lovable, very fun loving, but a hard one to bring up till we found out she just didn't get what was said to her.
BTW, she doesn't have any problems processing what is told to her now. Not sure if she would have outgrown it on her own..... maybe, but if we had waited till she was in jr high I think she definitely would be much worse off.
zubs
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The Asian mentality for education is to put their kids in after school tutoring no matter if the kid needs it or not. You go to Asia and everyone has their kid in tutoring class.
The reason I started this topic was because I recently spoke to a friend from Peking who said all the kids at his child's school go to after school tutoring. I said "But why 4 years old!?" And he said all the pre-K kids were tutoring already, and so he had to do it to keep up.
This idea now permeates Irvine. It wasn't like that when I went to school.
I don't care if my kid goes to tutoring or not. CSUF is fine. My kid can be a plumber. I think education is great, but I don't give it as high a rank as others. That's why I was glad I wasn't in GATE...no extra work for me....now who's the smart one!!!
The reason I started this topic was because I recently spoke to a friend from Peking who said all the kids at his child's school go to after school tutoring. I said "But why 4 years old!?" And he said all the pre-K kids were tutoring already, and so he had to do it to keep up.
This idea now permeates Irvine. It wasn't like that when I went to school.
I don't care if my kid goes to tutoring or not. CSUF is fine. My kid can be a plumber. I think education is great, but I don't give it as high a rank as others. That's why I was glad I wasn't in GATE...no extra work for me....now who's the smart one!!!
socal78
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As a parent of two kids with straight A's every year, I'm often asked by classmates' parents (usually immigrants) what I "do" or what I "MAKE them do". Kumon isn't one of them. As a certified basic English literacy tutor, I do, however, recognize the value for it when parental help is ineffective due to a language barrier issue. The funny thing is I don't spend nearly as much time thinking about this and dwelling on it as some parents do. Straight A's were never something I told them they have to get for fear of a beating or something I was really even seeking. They are pretty self-motivated. However, the questions I get, forced me to ask myself what "I do".
* Individual attention
* Ensure comprehension / not competition
* Modelling interest & enthusiasm
* Reward
* Having a rocket scientist for a father doesn't hurt
I stay connected with what they're learning. When they get papers back with wrong answers, I go over the answers again at home and will sometimes make practice problems to make sure they understand why it's wrong. I teach them other ways of doing problems. I try to be positive about assignments. I show them real-world applications for what they're learning. I do pay out for report card grades. When we as adults go to work, we expect a paycheck. School is their job. Why should it be any different. That's how I see it. When they do well, I make a big deal out of it. Mr. SocCal pointed out that they seem to really want to make me happy. So, I try to show them I'm happy or be all silly-happy when I see their grades. They really enjoy that. Kids want to make their parents proud! However, I am more concerned with making their best efforts regardless of outcome. I'm happy if I know they really tried their best. Not every adult is perfect at every subject. We can't expect kids to be perfect either. They are humans, too. They have their strengths and weaknesses just like us. Lastly, I do sometimes wonder how much genetics plays a role. I totally scored in the baby-daddy department. He is one of the most genius minds I've ever met. I'm continually astounded. I don't know if it's genetics or just influencing kids / having a positive role model or what. They do see what he does for a career and what he does for hobbies at home... they want to be like him. I think that helps. Or maybe they got their brains from moi!
* Individual attention
* Ensure comprehension / not competition
* Modelling interest & enthusiasm
* Reward
* Having a rocket scientist for a father doesn't hurt
I stay connected with what they're learning. When they get papers back with wrong answers, I go over the answers again at home and will sometimes make practice problems to make sure they understand why it's wrong. I teach them other ways of doing problems. I try to be positive about assignments. I show them real-world applications for what they're learning. I do pay out for report card grades. When we as adults go to work, we expect a paycheck. School is their job. Why should it be any different. That's how I see it. When they do well, I make a big deal out of it. Mr. SocCal pointed out that they seem to really want to make me happy. So, I try to show them I'm happy or be all silly-happy when I see their grades. They really enjoy that. Kids want to make their parents proud! However, I am more concerned with making their best efforts regardless of outcome. I'm happy if I know they really tried their best. Not every adult is perfect at every subject. We can't expect kids to be perfect either. They are humans, too. They have their strengths and weaknesses just like us. Lastly, I do sometimes wonder how much genetics plays a role. I totally scored in the baby-daddy department. He is one of the most genius minds I've ever met. I'm continually astounded. I don't know if it's genetics or just influencing kids / having a positive role model or what. They do see what he does for a career and what he does for hobbies at home... they want to be like him. I think that helps. Or maybe they got their brains from moi!
zubs said:
That's what I don't understand. Aren't a lot of these parents moving here for the express purpose of giving their kids an "American style education" and to get away from that horrible pressure? But then end up importing those same practices here anyway...Hence, no Uni, and no IUSD for me.