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Option #1
Just got quoted $18k for refacing my kitchen cabinets from Home Depot.  Martha Stewart Annandale in Sharkey Grey. 
http://refacing.homedepot.com/transformation/Docs/kitchen_transformation.swf

Price is OTD and they say they start on Monday and finish on Friday for the install.  We have our choice of hardware, moulding, etc.  If we want soft close, its $49/drawer.  Our quote also includes expanding our kitchen island out by about a foot and a half to accomodate a false drawer for trash.  That also means we'll lose our island counter top and will have two different counter tops in our kitchen.  Guy measured out the cabinets to 48 linear feet. 


Option #2
Hiring our old painter and just painting the old cabinets is about $2500 and that also include painting all the cabinets in the house and not just kitchen. 

We had cabinets painted swiss coffee in the past, they have held up well 2+years, but they are not in the kitchen nor bathroom.  So durability in high moisture areas (bathroom) and heat areas (kitchen) can be a problem with paint?

Option #3
Hate to say it, but might try Ikea cabinets and see how much they will be.
 
If you're happy with your old cabinets, I say paint them.

$18k vs $2.5k is a sizeable difference (to us 99%ers). We painted our cabinets in our other house and it was fine. Does the $18k include the new countertop for your island?
 
I have friends that have tried option 2 and 3 and based on what I saw, here are a few comments. Take it for whatever its worth.

ps9 said:
Option #1
Just got quoted $18k for refacing my kitchen cabinets from Home Depot.  Martha Stewart Annandale in Sharkey Grey. 
http://refacing.homedepot.com/transformation/Docs/kitchen_transformation.swf

Price is OTD and they say they start on Monday and finish on Friday for the install.  We have our choice of hardware, moulding, etc.  If we want soft close, its $49/drawer.  Our quote also includes expanding our kitchen island out by about a foot and a half to accomodate a false drawer for trash.  That also means we'll lose our island counter top and will have two different counter tops in our kitchen.  Guy measured out the cabinets to 48 linear feet. 
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Good idea, if your cabinet frames are good quality and solid and you just want a fresh look. But again, 18K for just new doors, hardware and molding seems a little high, especially considering it does not include soft-close for the drawers (a requirement for me). 

You might want to check if your cabinet frames are solid wood or 3/4" plywood. If solid wood or 3/4" plywood frames, then this might not be a bad option. If it is builder grade frames, you are better off replacing everything.


ps9 said:
Option #3
Hate to say it, but might try Ikea cabinets and see how much they will be.
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I hate to admit, but when I saw the Ikea cabinets at a friend's place, I loved them. It might not be to everyone's taste / liking, especially if you like a rustic look or a more traditional look. If you are like me and like more modern or contemporary styles, then this is a good option. Especially when I heard what they paid for everything including countertop and installation (< 20K during Ikea's 20% sale).

From what our friend told us, she used another company for the doors and hardware (they make solid wood doors for Ikea cabinets). They also did extensive research on the durability and features before going with Ikea, based on their warranty (not sure about the warranty).

They wanted to spend no more than 20 - 25K on a new kitchen including countertop and installation. They got multiple quotes, but apparently if you want 3/4 plywood or solid wood cabinets, they were looking at minimum 40-45K for their size of kitchen.

My $0.02, do your research, don't just settle for one of the other based on just hearsay. Test all the cabinets from different sources before finalizing anything. And, if you go with Ikea wait for their sale on the kitchen. If you want the company that my friend used for installation and doors / hardware, let me know and I can find out more.
 
Check out StoneAge in Santa Ana.  They make cabinets right onsite and they were substantially cheaper than Home Depot.

If you paint, use high quality painter who will remove everything, sand it down, and spray it all vs just brush stroking in place.  And make sure they do two coats of spray.  It looks really cheap and peels easily if they do a bad job.

We ripped out our kitchen completely and put in an entire new one plus a new pantry.  Our cabinet quotes ranged from $15K to $25K so lots of room in the quotes.  We ended up using a kitchen contractor out in IE and his quality was amazing but he sucked as a service provider.  If we had to do it again, I would do the whole job from StoneAge. 

The nice thing about custom kitchen is you can make it to your specs.  We have spice drawers, insane size pot drawers, corner spaces that can be used, built in wine racks, etc.  Our total kitchen price was $26K

Cabinets & Hardware incl demo and appliance re-install: $20K (~65 linear feet)
Quartz Counter tops material & labor: $5K (200+ sq ft of counter and edge space)
Backsplash material & labor: $1K

I contacted quite a few contractors and I am sure I can find my old quotes and comparison chart if you are interested.

 

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wow rkp your before shot was pretty nice.  I dunno if I could justify ripping apart a kitchen like that but all depends on your tastes I guess. 

I think your before shot could serve as many peoples "After" shot and they would be plenty happy.
 
aquabliss said:
wow rkp your before shot was pretty nice.  I dunno if I could justify ripping apart a kitchen like that but all depends on your tastes I guess. 

I think your before shot could serve as many peoples "After" shot and they would be plenty happy.
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Not to hi-jack the thread but we totally realize that now.  This was our first and last house so we wanted to make it exactly to our tastes before moving in.  We had been looking at houses and making offers for ages and we got a really good deal so we were a bit more generous with our remodel budget.
 
WOW-- the AFTER looks model-home-worthy-- good choices all around.

@rkp-- did you get a break out for taking the cabinets all the way to the ceiling?


Is that Frosty Carrina on the counter tops?
 
irvinehomeowner said:
If you're happy with your old cabinets, I say paint them.

$18k vs $2.5k is a sizeable difference (to us 99%ers). We painted our cabinets in our other house and it was fine. Does the $18k include the new countertop for your island?
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Nope not included, will have to hire someone to rip out and put in new counter top for the island.  Will be impossible to find the same stone, so will have two different counter tops if we want to extend the island.  I've seen kitchens with the island a different counter top, mostly at La Vita. 
 
@rkp, thanks for sharing.  Really like the new cabinets.  Shakers with the longer hardware makes it look sleek.  Kinda what I'm going for but really hate to spend that much right now.  The moulding taking the cabinets to the ceiling flush is really clean.  BTW, did you (or contractor) have to pull permit for this?  That's what the refacing Home Depot guy said if you get new ones.  Not sure why, not moving electrical or pipes, just empty wooden boxes :)
 
Permits vary city to city.  I didn't realize I would need permits when I started (no GC, self managed whole thing).  By the time I was looking for sub contractors for the various jobs, my kitchen, powder room, flooring and some other things were demo'd by me and CL type laborers.

The kitchen contractor I hired told me they can manage permits but it will cost more and take more time so we just avoided it all together.  However, because so much work was happening, Irvine permit folks stopped by for a random inspection and while they never came in, I had to call and go over everything I did and they seemed to be ok with it.  The big concerns for them are structural, electrical, plumbing, gas, and HVAC. 

No permits required list is mainly damage control vs remodel or upgrade work: http://www.cityofirvine.org/cityhall/cd/buildingsafety/permits_not_required/default.asp

 
rkp said:
Permits vary city to city.  I didn't realize I would need permits when I started (no GC, self managed whole thing).  By the time I was looking for sub contractors for the various jobs, my kitchen, powder room, flooring and some other things were demo'd by me and CL type laborers.

The kitchen contractor I hired told me they can manage permits but it will cost more and take more time so we just avoided it all together.  However, because so much work was happening, Irvine permit folks stopped by for a random inspection and while they never came in, I had to call and go over everything I did and they seemed to be ok with it.  The big concerns for them are structural, electrical, plumbing, gas, and HVAC. 

No permits required list is mainly damage control vs remodel or upgrade work: http://www.cityofirvine.org/cityhall/cd/buildingsafety/permits_not_required/default.asp
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So I guess no permit required for replacing kitchen cabinets?  Anyone else experienced issues with permits with the city?  Had a hunch the refacing dude was trying to talk me out of replacing.
 
Here's Ikea's Metod line available in Europe.  This is rumored to be similar to the new Sektion system we will get here in the states on 2/2/15.
http://onlinecatalogue.ikea.com/GB/en/Range_Brochure_Kitchen_Metod/http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/categories/departments/kitchen/

I see my grey cabs!

Looks like I just missed the last Ikea kitchen sale which ended on 11/30 :( .  Wife's been bugging me about Ikea cabinets for awhile, always been dismissing it since I realy hate Ikea.  Now I'm having renewed interest. 
 
JustSayin said:
WOW-- the AFTER looks model-home-worthy-- good choices all around.

@rkp-- did you get a break out for taking the cabinets all the way to the ceiling?


Is that Frosty Carrina on the counter tops?
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thanks for the compliments :)

what do you mean by "break out"?  counter tops is silestone white zeus extreme.  we were looking for purest white we could find
 
Cost break out.
I'm interested in replacing my top cabinets so they extend to the crown, but not sure if it will be worth it.

Did you get a separate cost for taking it all the way up vs. the standard . . . not all the way up.

Shoot, did I just set up IHO again?
 
JustSayin said:
Did you get a separate cost for taking it all the way up vs. the standard . . . not all the way up.
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no separate pricing as we were only looking at going all the way up from the get go.  the custom guys seemed to not care about vertical space as much and i think are more flexible in their pricing.  for example our butlers pantry had a few design options that included cabinets filling it all vs having some counter space with upper and lowers and that made no difference to stone age or the contractor we used.

however home depot or any shop that is using prebuilt boxes will charge more as they have to spec in the bigger boxes or do funky things like add a small box on top. 
 
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