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[quote author="skek" date=1225438614][quote author="WINEX" date=1225437967][quote author="skek" date=1225372333][quote author="Trooper" date=1225358440]WINEX, I just have to say I've read your posts over the past few months....and I've decided that you are one scary motherf*cker. Palin X 10 in my eyes. You are the type of individual that I envision secretly cheering on the Nazi regime and the Third Reich in the 30's. Upset at Brown v. Board of Education and simply appalled at Lawrence v. Texas.



In short, I think you are a sorry POS. Aren't there some other blogs you could post on and gain the acceptance you seek ?



And before you spew...in your response, I would like to know your opinion on homosexuals.</blockquote>


Troop, no doubt you are entitled to your opinion and no doubt others here will agree with you, but really? A Nazi? WINEX may be an in your face conservative, and perhaps his views may seem extreme to Democrats, but the Nazi reference is a little over the top. I don't think he's advocating the extermination of the Jews. Nor have I seen any evidence of racism in his posts. If I'm wrong, please point them out.



Those who bash WINEX are awfully silent about the distasteful folks in their own camp. I'm fairly certain I saw Eva trying to convince one of the posters on my ignored list that conservatives were not lesser human beings. Kudos to Nude for calling both sides of the aisle out, but he's the only one I've seen do it. If you are going to call someone a Nazi and encourage them to leave IHB, at least be consistent.



Besides, Nazis come from the socialist tradition. They are monsters of the left, not the right.</blockquote>


First of all, thanks Skek. I do appreciate your kind words and sticking up for what is right.



On another note, I've been debating whether or not I would mention this. I have no doubt that it will stir up some controversy. But a little controversy now and then is a good way to keep things from getting dull.



I was born a bit too late (20 years after Hitler died) and in the wrong country (the United States) to cheer on the Nazis. But my grandfather on my mother's side of the family was a pretty highly decorated officer in the Waffen SS.



Let the chairs fly!</blockquote>


F*$% me.</blockquote>


LOL!



What can I say? Or more importantly, would could I do about it? He died 19 years before I was born. I was hardly in a position to influence what he did with his life.
 
[quote author="skek" date=1225372333]Besides, Nazis come from the socialist tradition. They are monsters of the left, not the right.</blockquote>


I don't mean to be pedantic but you need to revise your history books. The monsters of the left are those that espouse Marxist-Leninist and Maoist ideologies. Fascism and Nazism are on the extreme right.
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1225438965][quote author="skek" date=1225372333]Besides, Nazis come from the socialist tradition. They are monsters of the left, not the right.</blockquote>


I don't mean to be pedantic but you need to revise your history books. The monsters of the left are those that espouse Marxist-Leninist and Maoist ideologies. Fascism and Nazism are on the extreme right.</blockquote>


But that's only true after history books are revised. If you read un-revised history books, you would know that the Nazis were leftist.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1225439115][quote author="green_cactus" date=1225438965][quote author="skek" date=1225372333]Besides, Nazis come from the socialist tradition. They are monsters of the left, not the right.</blockquote>


I don't mean to be pedantic but you need to revise your history books. The monsters of the left are those that espouse Marxist-Leninist and Maoist ideologies. Fascism and Nazism are on the extreme right.</blockquote>


But that's only true after history books are revised. If you read un-revised history books, you would know that the Nazis were leftist.</blockquote>


By un-revised you mean based on fiction?
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1225439558][quote author="WINEX" date=1225439115][quote author="green_cactus" date=1225438965][quote author="skek" date=1225372333]Besides, Nazis come from the socialist tradition. They are monsters of the left, not the right.</blockquote>


I don't mean to be pedantic but you need to revise your history books. The monsters of the left are those that espouse Marxist-Leninist and Maoist ideologies. Fascism and Nazism are on the extreme right.</blockquote>


But that's only true after history books are revised. If you read un-revised history books, you would know that the Nazis were leftist.</blockquote>


By un-revised you mean based on fiction?</blockquote>


No, based on truth. You may want to try reading something that hasn't been touched by the revisionists some time. You might like it.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1225439741][quote author="green_cactus" date=1225439558][quote author="WINEX" date=1225439115][quote author="green_cactus" date=1225438965][quote author="skek" date=1225372333]Besides, Nazis come from the socialist tradition. They are monsters of the left, not the right.</blockquote>


I don't mean to be pedantic but you need to revise your history books. The monsters of the left are those that espouse Marxist-Leninist and Maoist ideologies. Fascism and Nazism are on the extreme right.</blockquote>


But that's only true after history books are revised. If you read un-revised history books, you would know that the Nazis were leftist.</blockquote>


By un-revised you mean based on fiction?</blockquote>


No, based on truth. You may want to try reading something that hasn't been touched by the revisionists some time. You might like it.</blockquote>


I'm fine with peer reviewed, scholarly, documented and verified historical texts. I like those.
 
Skekker, my goodness that was a long reply...and I'll tell you that I am not nearly as eloquent with the written word as you...but I will try and respond appropriately.



<em>I think it?s clear that you are a single issue voter, and given who you are and what you?ve been through in life, I don?t blame you.</em>



Guilty as charged. I'll be glad when the social progression you speak of, makes this a non-issue. Will I see it in my lifetime ? I certainly hope so... but I do know this: these rights will not be simply handed over to us. We need to first ask for them, and when/if not given, fight for them. AND fight to protect the hard won gains. My life has been... for lack of a better word...difficult because of my homosexuality.



<em>But, by the way, do you remember that your first comment to me on IHB was to accuse me of being a shill</em>?



Guilty as charged. I have made a number of incorrect assumptions about bloggers on IHB. I also was positive that IR2 and IPO were the same person, etc. :-S Ten's comments bothered me deep down for some reason, so I spoke my mind. I do realize that everyone is not me, and other opinions will vary...but that's the beauty of the blog....I can say what I feel. I have had no issue with Ten's posts since then and I think he makes valuable contributions.



<em>Yet, I don?t recall ever saying anything that would support your conclusion one way or the other</em>.



You did make a brief statement several months ago that drew me to this conclusion. It was only one sentence and I'll do my best to dig it up, but it stemmed from a conversation in a thread about (shocker) gay marriage. If I recall correctly, one blogger and I were have a discussion/debate on the issue and religion was somehow involved. You said something along the lines of "XYZ, you are not alone in your thinking".... Again, I can't recall exactly what you said, but I tucked your response in the back of my mind.



B<em>ut since you asked, yes, I oppose the <strong>activist judges</strong> in California. I also oppose Prop 8. And I also opposed Prop 22. </em>



Thank you for that.....I think. But just for clarification, since we are "going there" now, do you support gay marriage? A simple yes or no answer please. And I mean marriage in every sense of the word, just like yours....not some sort of civil arrangement. I will understand if you don't wish to answer due to your comment that other bloggers know your true identity.



<em>You must assume that because I?m a Republican, I must be anti-gay. Funny, I don?t think you?d appreciate it if I used broad stereotypes to judge you or put words in your mouth.</em>



You are incorrect. I drew this conclusion based on that response to the XYZ blogger some months ago.



<em>I don?t want to blow your mind, but one of the major donors to Equality California is a gay, married man who is also a Republican. I happen to know him personally</em>.



I'm quite aware that many Reeps support gay rights, I am also aware that there are gay Reeps. But what I don't understand is how they can support a Presidential Candidate and a V.P. who would seek to relegate us to, what I consider, second class status. They can support who they want, but it just confuses me. I mean, McCain is against gay marriage as is Palin, but Palin goes further...and you know what I'm talking about. Why in the world a gay person would cast their vote for them....is simply beyond me.... but their perogitive nonetheless.



<em>But your Democratic allies in Congress are too cowardly to raise the issue because they know most of the country is not ready for same sex marriage and they don?t want to lose their toehold in the south. So, I?m sad to say, the Democrats sold you out for votes, Troop. </em>



I am sadly, well aware of this.



<em>I do agree with you that we will eventually get to the point where same sex marriage is accepted on a national level and if anyone does, you deserve a chance to celebrate that day. I admire the tenacity with which you?ve defended your rights, I just wish you didn?t jump to such extreme conclusions about anybody who tries to offer constructive criticism about your methods.</em>



Duly noted, and you are correct. I'm cranky about some things and I sometimes shoot my mouth off before thinking. I will try and work on that. :red:



<em>And if Prop 8 is defeated, it is going to be because a lot of Christians voted against it</em>.



And I will add to that, "because a lot of Republicans voted against it". I believe some Dems will as well..... it's not like either party agrees 100% on the whole gay rights thing.



I've donated more money to this issue then I ever have before. I am hoping that I celebrate come the close of polls on November 4th.....I'll be going on a bender if not ! :shut:



Thank you Skek.
 
I<em> was born a bit too late (20 years after Hitler died) and in the wrong country (the United States) to cheer on the Nazis. But my grandfather on my mother?s side of the family was a pretty highly decorated officer in the Waffen SS.</em>



'nuff said.
 
and for all of you wondering, in a nutshell <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas">Lawrence v Texas</a> <em>decriminalized</em> gay sex.



Again, no shock that you were appalled by that WINEX.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225441032]I<em> was born a bit too late (20 years after Hitler died) and in the wrong country (the United States) to cheer on the Nazis. But my grandfather on my mother?s side of the family was a pretty highly decorated officer in the Waffen SS.</em>



'nuff said.</blockquote>
Trooper, enough. You are exhibiting the same kind of behavior shown by people that think all cops took a swing at Rodney King and are therefore guilty of racial oppression. WINEX is a nutter, leave it at that.
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225441032]I<em> was born a bit too late (20 years after Hitler died) and in the wrong country (the United States) to cheer on the Nazis. But my grandfather on my mother?s side of the family was a pretty highly decorated officer in the Waffen SS.</em>



'nuff said.</blockquote>


It's interesting seeing just how hypocritical you can be. Are you trying to tell me that political belief systems are inherited? If so, then why don't I support the Presidential candidate who is having people who speak against him investigated by the Justice Department? If the "Obama Youth" don't remind you of the road to fascism we have witnessed in the past, I don't know what will wake you you.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1225441345]If the "Obama Youth" don't remind you of the road to fascism we have witnessed in the past, I don't know what will wake you you.</blockquote>


Boy Scouts are a closer match.
 
[quote author="skek" date=1225438614]F*$% me.</blockquote>


My sentiments exactly. I knew I should have brought up <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law">Godwin's Law</a> a while ago, but I fear there is no way it will change the death spiral direction this thread is now headed in.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1225444501][quote author="skek" date=1225438614]F*$% me.</blockquote>


My sentiments exactly. I knew I should have brought up <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law">Godwin's Law</a> a while ago, but I fear there is no way it will change the death spiral direction this thread is now headed in.</blockquote>


But why would you think of bringing up Godwin's Law when it is me who was being called a Nazi?



For the record, my father is American and met my mother after he joined the Army and was sent to Germany during the reconstruction. He met my mother and they got married there. She became a citizen after moving here after his enlistment ended.



Oh, and as far as political affiliations are concerned, my mother, the daughter of a storm trooper, was a very dedicated Democrat...
 
[quote author="Trooper" date=1225441032]I<em> was born a bit too late (20 years after Hitler died) and in the wrong country (the United States) to cheer on the Nazis. But my grandfather on my mother?s side of the family was a pretty highly decorated officer in the Waffen SS.</em>



'nuff said.</blockquote>


I think my great grandfather was a KKK grand wizard, but I can't prove it, and my aunt who knows for sure won't talk.



The irony.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1225445753][quote author="graphrix" date=1225444501][quote author="skek" date=1225438614]F*$% me.</blockquote>


My sentiments exactly. I knew I should have brought up <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law">Godwin's Law</a> a while ago, but I fear there is no way it will change the death spiral direction this thread is now headed in.</blockquote>


But why would you think of bringing up Godwin's Law when it is me who was being called a Nazi?



For the record, my father is American and met my mother after he joined the Army and was sent to Germany during the reconstruction. He met my mother and they got married there. She became a citizen after moving here after his enlistment ended.



Oh, and as far as political affiliations are concerned, my mother, the daughter of a storm trooper, was a very dedicated Democrat...</blockquote>


Maybe if you weren't so closed minded, then you would know that I do not think you are a Nazi. A a closed minded full blown loon, who consistently conjures up complete fallacies from the context, as you are doing now, yes, but not a Nazi. If you had an open mind about people, instead conjuring up these preconceived notions of them, then maybe people wouldn't see you as such a loon. Until then, you are just a loon who likes to make bull shit up about people you know nothing about because you can't comprehend anything beyond your fantasy land that you live in.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1225450154][quote author="WINEX" date=1225445753][quote author="graphrix" date=1225444501][quote author="skek" date=1225438614]F*$% me.</blockquote>


My sentiments exactly. I knew I should have brought up <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law">Godwin's Law</a> a while ago, but I fear there is no way it will change the death spiral direction this thread is now headed in.</blockquote>


But why would you think of bringing up Godwin's Law when it is me who was being called a Nazi?



For the record, my father is American and met my mother after he joined the Army and was sent to Germany during the reconstruction. He met my mother and they got married there. She became a citizen after moving here after his enlistment ended.



Oh, and as far as political affiliations are concerned, my mother, the daughter of a storm trooper, was a very dedicated Democrat...</blockquote>


Maybe if you weren't so closed minded, then you would know that I do not think you are a Nazi. A a closed minded full blown loon, who consistently conjures up complete fallacies from the context, as you are doing now, yes, but not a Nazi. If you had an open mind about people, instead conjuring up these preconceived notions of them, then maybe people wouldn't see you as such a loon. Until then, you are just a loon who likes to make bull shit up about people you know nothing about because you can't comprehend anything beyond your fantasy land that you live in.</blockquote>


It's that filter.... anyone who doesn't fit with his extreme view of the world is a liberal and an idiot. He literally cannot process any sort of intelligent debate because of that filter. Graph, you cannot reason with insanity. I have a bipolar niece and when she goes off her meds, it's just like trying to have an intelligent conversation with an extreme extremist.... futile. Wrestle with a pig and you both get muddy, but the pig enjoys it. I know I've posted that line before, but the more Winex riles everyone on this board, the more I realize how true that silly little adage is. If I was IPO or No_Vas, I could probably come up with some really funny image to illustrate this.....
 
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