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[quote author="WINEX" date=1225308769]You right,there is no big secret here. I've seen sock puppets before, and your actions are/were perfectly predictable. First you try to establish yourself as a conservative in a public venue, then you find some inane reason to vote for someone who has a value system that is supposedly the polar opposite of what you supposedly believe in the hopes that you can pluck off a few votes from true conservatives. While I have seen the same act played in every presidential election on various BBSes and forums, I must note that your supposed outrage over the way that McCain treated David Letterman was truly unique. You may want to work on that one before 2012.
I know that it doesn't mean anything to a sock puppet, but if you wanted to be logically consistent with the persona that you attempted to create, you might have realized that voting McCain into office would keep him off of David Letterman for the next 4 to 8 years. Whereas voting Obama into office will result in judicial appointments that increase the incidence of legislation at the bench. (Amending the Constitution is passe when you can stack the government with those who will ignore everything it says)</blockquote>
I voted for Bush 41 in 1988. I worked the phone banks for Bush 41's campaign in 1992 in a small office in Irvine. I did the same for John Ensign after moving to Las Vegas in '93, who defeated the incumbent Bilbray in a surprise win, helping to take Congress back from the Democrats in 1994. I volunteered to help register voters for the Dole campaign in 1996. I voted for Bush 43... twice. I even dragged my Democrat wife to the Reagan Library on our honeymoon because we were within driving distance. My conservative views are plastered all over the internet. Sock puppet? Hardly.
I once ran into a poster much like yourself, on another forum, named Stockula. You remind me of him in many ways. He suffered from the same myopic view that any Republican was better than any Democrat, and seemed to take great joy in distorting any position taken by the left. His heroes were Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter. Initially, we argued many of the same points on the forums where we were posting in 2003. As we got closer to the 2004 elections, he began spewing the same kind of bullshit you have been posting on these boards. He, like you, was willing to sacrifice honesty for ideology in pursuit of his political goals. He not only lost respect from the conservatives on the boards, he alienated everyone who was open to a rational discussion of ideas... much as you have. He eventually left the site but not before labeling me a "traitor" for calling bullshit on the far right screed he was posting. I'm not a sock puppet now, any more than I was a traitor then... I'm just not willing to sacrifice my integrity in order win an argument or an election.
McCain has, repeatedly, done just that. Distortion in a campaign ad is one thing, floating fear in a stump speech is part of politics, but he didn't need to lie to Letterman when an honest explanation would have been completely acceptable. Saying "Hey Dave, I'm going to have to cancel tonight. This economy is about to crash and I'm doing Katie's show in order to reassure the public that we in Congress are doing everything we can and a late night talk show isn't the proper forum for that kind of interview" is both honest and honorable. Instead, he lied... which is not very honorable and in the context of the public persona McCain has taken great care to maintain, hypocritical. In combination with his recent proposals to continue the socialization of private investment, it's getting pretty hard to argue that voting for him is in fact a vote for conservative values.
But you don't argue that point. In fact, you don't argue any positive points regarding the Presidential race. And this is where you are most like Stockula and least like my kind of conservative: your entire approach is to make everyone afraid of the other guy by focusing on his negatives rather than promote the positive aspects of your chosen candidate. On the other hand, my kind of Conservative doesn't need to resort to cheap scare tactics and dishonest distortions because we believe that our ideas and policies are better than those proposed by the other side. You are the mirror image of people like Gotti, green_cactus, ventouxbob, and other occasional bomb-throwers on the left who took great glee in posting every rumor about Palin newborn, her daughter's pregnancy, etc. You dare preach to me about logical consistency when you present Bob Barr as a viable option to McCain, a man who declares his intent to repatriate our armed forces, abandoning every military base outside our borders in the process, leaving us without vital forward staging areas for future use in our own defense. You call me a sock puppet because I would not vote for a man who has reversed every fiscally and governmentally conservative position he took in the last 30 years in order to persuade independent voters to support him. Yet, your entire record of posts here have been so vile in both tone and factual distortion that you have single-handedly soured more people on the Republican party than other other member on these boards. Not even other conservatives and/or Republicans are willing to defend your posts at this point because they abhor their content.
For the record, I am not a sock puppet. I had a choice between Obama and McCain and the most important issues to me are the economy and who they have advising them. McCain is lost on economic issues, and his advisers aren't helping him. Obama is just as lost on economic issues but has a far better group of advisers in his camp. Most importantly, he isn't the one running around promising to socialize losses incurred by homeowners who drank the kool-aid. This is small-government, fiscal conservatism? I don't think so.
Here's how I put it in a post on another site, edited for language:
<blockquote>For the third time in a row, my choice for President comes down to two people that leave me completely cold. For the third time in a row I held my nose and voted for the person I thought would do the least damage.
For the first time in my life, I voted for a Democrat for President.
Sorry John, but when you stood Dave up to hang with Katie you shook me to the core. Not only did you lie, you did so blatantly. Palin could have been an inspired choice, if she wasn't COMPLETELY unprepared for national/international political discourse. Now she's become a national joke.
But the kicker? John, you don't have a clue about what is going on with the economy. You are repeating the Fiscal Conservative mantra (not to be confused with the Social Conservative mantra) and making it sound dated. More importantly, you make it perfectly clear that you have no idea what the f*%k any of it means or how deep the s&%t we are in actually is at this time. Obama may be your typical tax-and-spend Democrat but we're so far past broke, so deep into debt as a country, that deficit spending and tax hikes can't even be considered as part of the solution. That negates the "socialist" tag he's hiding in his closet. What he has done is gotten a really smart group of people with proven track records advising him on economic issues, while your advice comes from a guy who uses Dicky Flatt as a sounding board.
My wife and I make jokes now... singing "I'm voting Obama" in much the same way Ms. Silverman sings "I'm f&%king Matt Damon", because neither of us can quite believe that these two asshats are the best we can do as a country. And yes, they are BOTH asshats. One trades his lifetime reputation for power and demeans his opponent with lies and distortions, sacrificing whatever honor he earned in the service of his country. The other brings nothing but idealism and oratory to the table, hypocritically damning any opposition with thinly veiled charges of allowing race to be used while his own campaign is using race as a selling point, openly waging class warfare on the wealthy ($250k is wealthy? Since when?) which can only divide us further as a country.
For you Obama supporters, don't get too damn excited. I haven't switched sides, I wasn't won over by your candidate's positions, personality, or even his "historic" campaign. He just sucks slightly less than the other guy, and that isn't much of an endorsement.</blockquote>
I don't care about influencing other people's votes. Neither Washington nor California were ever going to go for McCain anyway so my possible influence is negligible. If people are still undecided at this point, it's because they are constitutionally incapable of making a decision using rational thought. I really don't care what you think, either. But I felt it was my responsibility to answer your charge so that the people I respect on this board didn't think no response equalled an admission on my part. Having done that, I invite you to once again go pound sand up your ass.
I know that it doesn't mean anything to a sock puppet, but if you wanted to be logically consistent with the persona that you attempted to create, you might have realized that voting McCain into office would keep him off of David Letterman for the next 4 to 8 years. Whereas voting Obama into office will result in judicial appointments that increase the incidence of legislation at the bench. (Amending the Constitution is passe when you can stack the government with those who will ignore everything it says)</blockquote>
I voted for Bush 41 in 1988. I worked the phone banks for Bush 41's campaign in 1992 in a small office in Irvine. I did the same for John Ensign after moving to Las Vegas in '93, who defeated the incumbent Bilbray in a surprise win, helping to take Congress back from the Democrats in 1994. I volunteered to help register voters for the Dole campaign in 1996. I voted for Bush 43... twice. I even dragged my Democrat wife to the Reagan Library on our honeymoon because we were within driving distance. My conservative views are plastered all over the internet. Sock puppet? Hardly.
I once ran into a poster much like yourself, on another forum, named Stockula. You remind me of him in many ways. He suffered from the same myopic view that any Republican was better than any Democrat, and seemed to take great joy in distorting any position taken by the left. His heroes were Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter. Initially, we argued many of the same points on the forums where we were posting in 2003. As we got closer to the 2004 elections, he began spewing the same kind of bullshit you have been posting on these boards. He, like you, was willing to sacrifice honesty for ideology in pursuit of his political goals. He not only lost respect from the conservatives on the boards, he alienated everyone who was open to a rational discussion of ideas... much as you have. He eventually left the site but not before labeling me a "traitor" for calling bullshit on the far right screed he was posting. I'm not a sock puppet now, any more than I was a traitor then... I'm just not willing to sacrifice my integrity in order win an argument or an election.
McCain has, repeatedly, done just that. Distortion in a campaign ad is one thing, floating fear in a stump speech is part of politics, but he didn't need to lie to Letterman when an honest explanation would have been completely acceptable. Saying "Hey Dave, I'm going to have to cancel tonight. This economy is about to crash and I'm doing Katie's show in order to reassure the public that we in Congress are doing everything we can and a late night talk show isn't the proper forum for that kind of interview" is both honest and honorable. Instead, he lied... which is not very honorable and in the context of the public persona McCain has taken great care to maintain, hypocritical. In combination with his recent proposals to continue the socialization of private investment, it's getting pretty hard to argue that voting for him is in fact a vote for conservative values.
But you don't argue that point. In fact, you don't argue any positive points regarding the Presidential race. And this is where you are most like Stockula and least like my kind of conservative: your entire approach is to make everyone afraid of the other guy by focusing on his negatives rather than promote the positive aspects of your chosen candidate. On the other hand, my kind of Conservative doesn't need to resort to cheap scare tactics and dishonest distortions because we believe that our ideas and policies are better than those proposed by the other side. You are the mirror image of people like Gotti, green_cactus, ventouxbob, and other occasional bomb-throwers on the left who took great glee in posting every rumor about Palin newborn, her daughter's pregnancy, etc. You dare preach to me about logical consistency when you present Bob Barr as a viable option to McCain, a man who declares his intent to repatriate our armed forces, abandoning every military base outside our borders in the process, leaving us without vital forward staging areas for future use in our own defense. You call me a sock puppet because I would not vote for a man who has reversed every fiscally and governmentally conservative position he took in the last 30 years in order to persuade independent voters to support him. Yet, your entire record of posts here have been so vile in both tone and factual distortion that you have single-handedly soured more people on the Republican party than other other member on these boards. Not even other conservatives and/or Republicans are willing to defend your posts at this point because they abhor their content.
For the record, I am not a sock puppet. I had a choice between Obama and McCain and the most important issues to me are the economy and who they have advising them. McCain is lost on economic issues, and his advisers aren't helping him. Obama is just as lost on economic issues but has a far better group of advisers in his camp. Most importantly, he isn't the one running around promising to socialize losses incurred by homeowners who drank the kool-aid. This is small-government, fiscal conservatism? I don't think so.
Here's how I put it in a post on another site, edited for language:
<blockquote>For the third time in a row, my choice for President comes down to two people that leave me completely cold. For the third time in a row I held my nose and voted for the person I thought would do the least damage.
For the first time in my life, I voted for a Democrat for President.
Sorry John, but when you stood Dave up to hang with Katie you shook me to the core. Not only did you lie, you did so blatantly. Palin could have been an inspired choice, if she wasn't COMPLETELY unprepared for national/international political discourse. Now she's become a national joke.
But the kicker? John, you don't have a clue about what is going on with the economy. You are repeating the Fiscal Conservative mantra (not to be confused with the Social Conservative mantra) and making it sound dated. More importantly, you make it perfectly clear that you have no idea what the f*%k any of it means or how deep the s&%t we are in actually is at this time. Obama may be your typical tax-and-spend Democrat but we're so far past broke, so deep into debt as a country, that deficit spending and tax hikes can't even be considered as part of the solution. That negates the "socialist" tag he's hiding in his closet. What he has done is gotten a really smart group of people with proven track records advising him on economic issues, while your advice comes from a guy who uses Dicky Flatt as a sounding board.
My wife and I make jokes now... singing "I'm voting Obama" in much the same way Ms. Silverman sings "I'm f&%king Matt Damon", because neither of us can quite believe that these two asshats are the best we can do as a country. And yes, they are BOTH asshats. One trades his lifetime reputation for power and demeans his opponent with lies and distortions, sacrificing whatever honor he earned in the service of his country. The other brings nothing but idealism and oratory to the table, hypocritically damning any opposition with thinly veiled charges of allowing race to be used while his own campaign is using race as a selling point, openly waging class warfare on the wealthy ($250k is wealthy? Since when?) which can only divide us further as a country.
For you Obama supporters, don't get too damn excited. I haven't switched sides, I wasn't won over by your candidate's positions, personality, or even his "historic" campaign. He just sucks slightly less than the other guy, and that isn't much of an endorsement.</blockquote>
I don't care about influencing other people's votes. Neither Washington nor California were ever going to go for McCain anyway so my possible influence is negligible. If people are still undecided at this point, it's because they are constitutionally incapable of making a decision using rational thought. I really don't care what you think, either. But I felt it was my responsibility to answer your charge so that the people I respect on this board didn't think no response equalled an admission on my part. Having done that, I invite you to once again go pound sand up your ass.
