John McCain: "We will buy up bad mortages so when your neighbor goes into default, your house value doesn't go down"

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I don't understand - does John McCain just not grep WHY values are dropping or why people are going into default? Is he simply pandering to distressed homeowners? If McCain were to be elected, what kind of impact do you think a massive program like this would do to the price correction, specifically in Orange County?



Could the saving grace of a program like this be a "poison pill" like in the current bail-out where the government would share in any future appreciation?
 
[quote author="eclipxe" date=1225172624]I don't understand - does John McCain just not grep WHY values are dropping or why people are going into default? Is he simply pandering to distressed homeowners? If McCain were to be elected, what kind of impact do you think a massive program like this would do to the price correction, specifically in Orange County?



Could the saving grace of a program like this be a "poison pill" like in the current bail-out where the government would share in any future appreciation?</blockquote>


Whoever owns the house is going to see it depreciate. SOMEONE is going to recognize (on paper anyway) the difference between what it's worth and what the mortgage is. The question is just, who's it going to be? The homeowner, or the taxpayer? Do we need to socialize/subsidize people's mortgages as well? We already took on the FNM/FRE burden. I thought McCain was against big government?
 
Two things directly affected my vote this year: this campaign promise by McCain and his flat out lie to David Letterman.



I know, I know... there are worse things than lying to David Letterman about why he had to cancel that particular appearance but it illustrated how far he had let himself drift from his moral center in the pursuit of the Presidency. It just irked me that he couldn't be honest about it.



But he completely lost my vote when he began spouting this idea to buy up bad mortgages. Not only is he clueless on how to resolve this, both he and his advisors are clearly clueless about what caused it. I'm sorry John, but if I have to choose between two people with no experience on economic issues, I'm going with the one who has Volker advising him. At least then I can rest assured he's getting good advice and, to be honest, I'd rather have a President who ignored good advice than one who follows bad advice.



In my book, the deciding factor for Obama is that he isn't McCain. How sad is it that this is the best we can do for national elections. :down:
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1225175802]Two things directly affected my vote this year: this campaign promise by McCain and his flat out lie to David Letterman.



I know, I know... there are worse things than lying to David Letterman about why he had to cancel that particular appearance but it illustrated how far he had let himself drift from his moral center in the pursuit of the Presidency. It just irked me that he couldn't be honest about it.



But he completely lost my vote when he began spouting this idea to buy up bad mortgages. Not only is he clueless on how to resolve this, both he and his advisors are clearly clueless about what caused it. I'm sorry John, but if I have to choose between two people with no experience on economic issues, I'm going with the one who has Volker advising him. At least then I can rest assured he's getting good advice and, to be honest, I'd rather have a President who ignored good advice than one who follows bad advice.



In my book, the deciding factor for Obama is that he isn't McCain. How sad is it that this is the best we can do for national elections. :down:</blockquote>


Did I read this right - you switched sides?
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1225177808]



Did I read this right - you switched sides?</blockquote>


I don't remember expressing a side other than my natural conservatism which, I admit, did not leave me inclined to vote for Obama. Did I ever say I was specifically voting for McCain?
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1225175802]Two things directly affected my vote this year: this campaign promise by McCain and his flat out lie to David Letterman.



I know, I know... there are worse things than lying to David Letterman about why he had to cancel that particular appearance but it illustrated how far he had let himself drift from his moral center in the pursuit of the Presidency. It just irked me that he couldn't be honest about it.



But he completely lost my vote when he began spouting this idea to buy up bad mortgages. Not only is he clueless on how to resolve this, both he and his advisors are clearly clueless about what caused it. I'm sorry John, but if I have to choose between two people with no experience on economic issues, I'm going with the one who has Volker advising him. At least then I can rest assured he's getting good advice and, to be honest, I'd rather have a President who ignored good advice than one who follows bad advice.



In my book, the deciding factor for Obama is that he isn't McCain. How sad is it that this is the best we can do for national elections. :down:</blockquote>


What, this didn't inspire confidence in the candidate?? :P



?The issue of economics is not something I?ve understood as well as I should,? he [McCain] says. ?I?ve got Greenspan?s book.?
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1225178465][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1225177808]



Did I read this right - you switched sides?</blockquote>


I don't remember expressing a side other than my natural conservatism which, I admit, did not leave me inclined to vote for Obama. Did I ever say I was specifically voting for McCain?</blockquote>


No sir. I remember reading a post where I thought you wrote that you and your wife were going to split the ticket and each vote one way. I may have misread it.



I will admit I am suprised.
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1225178818] [McCain] says. ?I?ve got Greenspan?s book.?</blockquote>


HEY NOW - I've got Greenspans book - in fact, that's what I'm (re)reading!
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1225175802]Two things directly affected my vote this year: this campaign promise by McCain and his flat out lie to David Letterman.

...

In my book, the deciding factor for Obama is that he isn't McCain. How sad is it that this is the best we can do for national elections. :down:</blockquote>


McCain alienated me by picking Palin.



The coup de grace was the bad mortgage promise.



The ongoing idiocy with Joe the Plumber, Socialist and the Ayers Terrorists cries just reeks desperation and has further alienated me.



As I've said before, I'm thankful I'm not in a competitive state, I have the luxury of voting third party so neither party can count me in their mandate.
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1225178818]What, this didn't inspire confidence in the candidate?? :P



?The issue of economics is not something I?ve understood as well as I should,? he [McCain] says. ?I?ve got Greenspan?s book.?</blockquote>


We are in a middle of an economic crises. McCain, who has openly admitted that he does understand economics that well, but has shown that he really doesn't understand economics when he made his paying full price mortgage buyout plan (a total insult to conservatives), politically panders to solely blaming Fannie and Freddie Mae[sic] and the CRA, gets advice from Phil "Think Happy Thoughts" Gramm and the CEO of FleaBay, and thinks that by reading Greenspan's book (he had more to do with this than Fannie or Freddie ever did, and was a failed economic forecasting business owner before the Fed) that he will gain important knowledge of economics.



Really, I'm not surprised at all that Nude would consider voting against McCain. He isn't the first conservative I know that has switched. Obama has Volcker, McCain has "buy it now" but decides to bid up the price above what it is worth. I feel sorry for conservatives, this is not the same John McCain from 2000, and they deserve better than this.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1225198171] Obama has Volcker</blockquote>


Not to pick nits, but Volcker is a Dem.



<a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEEDA1339F930A35755C0A961948260">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEEDA1339F930A35755C0A961948260</a>



<blockquote>The main philosophical difference between Mr. Volcker, a Democrat, and Mr. Greenspan, a Republican, appears to be in their views of the structure and regulation of the banking system. Mr. Volcker has tended to resist deregulation of banks while Mr. Greenspan is more favorably disposed to it. </blockquote>
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1225202821][quote author="graphrix" date=1225198171] Obama has Volcker</blockquote>


Not to pick nits, but Volcker is a Dem.



<a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEEDA1339F930A35755C0A961948260">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEEDA1339F930A35755C0A961948260</a></blockquote>


True, but he is well respected by both parties for fighting inflation, even if it did cause some serious pain. Some funny, er not so funny things to point out in that article...

<em>

The main philosophical difference between Mr. Volcker, a Democrat, and Mr. Greenspan, a Republican, appears to be in their views of the structure and regulation of the banking system. Mr. Volcker has tended to resist deregulation of banks while Mr. Greenspan is more favorably disposed to it.



Analysts noted that Mr. Volcker was considered almost a national hero for chopping inflation from an average rate of 12.8 percent in 1979 and 1980 to less than one-third that level for each of the past five years, while Mr. Greenspan's anti-inflation credentials have not been tested in practice.



Seeking to reassure skeptics, the President said Mr. Volcker had ''indicated his strong support'' for Mr. Greenspan and added that his own ''dedication to the fight to hold down the forces of inflation remains as strong as ever.''



Mr. Greenspan's first substantive comment at the briefing, with Mr. Volcker looking over his shoulder, was to say: ''It will be up to those of us who follow him to be certain that those very hard-won gains are not lost.''</em>



Not only did Greenie fail us on containing inflation, but he royally screwed us on his support for deregulation, not just recently, but pre-S&L crisis. For those that don't know, <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFD8113BF933A15752C1A96F948260">Greenie actually consulted for Lincoln Savings/Keating Five</a>.



<em>In late 1984, Mr. Greenspan, head of an economic forecasting firm, Townsend-Greenspan & Company, was retained by the New York law firm of Paul Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison for four months. Mr. Greenspan says he does not remember how much he was paid but that it was at his usual rate. Heavily Involved in Development



<strong>He was asked to conduct a study on real estate investment, known in the savings industry as direct investments, by savings and loan associations. Mr. Keating, Lincoln and its parent company, the American Continental Corporation, were heavily involved in real estate development.



He was also to study Lincoln's financial condition, and if he considered the institution stable, to write officials of the Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco supporting an application by Mr. Keating for an exemption for Lincoln to a bank board rule forbidding substantial amounts of such investments. Mr. Greenspan sent such a letter in February 1985. Lincoln did not receive the exemption.</strong>



A spokesman for Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and one of the Senators whose intervention with Federal regulators on behalf of Lincoln two years later, in early 1987, is the subject of the Senate and Justice Department inquiries, said that <strong>''Senator McCain has cited the Greenspan study many times as a powerful force in his approach to Lincoln.''</strong>



Mr. Greenspan says that if he had the same assignment today, confronted with the same evidence he had in 1984, his conclusions about Lincoln and about development projects in the industry as a whole would be very much the same.



Mr. Greenspan described Lincoln's management as ''seasoned and expert in selecting and making direct investments,'' as having a ''long and continuous track record of outstanding success in making sound and profitable direct investments,'' as succeeding ''in a relatively short period of time in reviving an association that had become badly burdened by a large portfolio of long-term fixed-rate mortgages'' and that it had ''restored the association to a vibrant and healthy state, with a strong net worth position.'' View on Direct Investments



Asked last week about his view of direct investments, Mr. Greenspan said: ''What I argued then, and argue now, is that direct investments are risky. If you give me two institutions, one that has a mix of short-term direct investments and long-term mortgages properly capitalized, or the same financing structure but invested only in long-term mortgages, I would say the first institution may well be safer.''



''How could anyone use any evaluation I would have made in early 1985 as justification more than two years later?'' he asks. ''No one ever called saying, 'Do you still hold these views.' It's almost as bad as saying, 'I just read a report written two years ago that Amalgamated Widgets is a good stock to buy.' It just doesn't make sense.''



Could Mr. Greenspan have seen the handwriting on the wall on Lincoln, particularly signals that Mr. Keating's plans for Lincoln were far too ambitious and risky, as some critics maintain?



<strong>Still, members of Congress and banking experts doubt that the damage to the Federal Reserve's chairman will be great. Mistake 'Now Meaningless'



''The possible mistake in judgment that was made in 1984 and 1985 is now meaningless,'' said Kenneth A. Guenther, executive vice president of the Independent Bankers Association. ''He has done a superb job as chairman of the Fed.''</strong>



But Clifford L. Brody, a financial consultant in Washington, warned that while the Keating involvement was not likely to hurt Mr. Greenspan in his conduct of monetary policy, it would make it harder for him to champion bold new deregulatory steps for the banking industry in general.



''I think you will find it will hinder him from being in the forefront of the debate,'' Mr. Brody said. ''Because every time banking deregulation is mentioned, he will be concerned that in the back of people's minds will be the ghost of Charles Keating.''</em>



Greenie has history of saying "how could I have known?". Many people have forgotten his mistakes, the mistakes that some were worried that would haunt him later. His mistakes then were not meaningless, they were the foresight into what was to come, a repeat of the "how could I have known?".



Back to the original article...



<em>Mr. Greenspan, who is 61, said that when he was formally offered the $89,500 job late in the afternoon on Monday he made up his mind to accept in ''milliseconds,'' adding that, if he had thought longer about it, ''I probably would have declined.''</em>



Not like he had anything else better to do, the consulting business was done, he had no more clients. Why not take a fat salary for someone who is not qualified the job, let alone the salary?



<em>At the briefing, Mr. Greenspan said in response to a question about whether the dollar had bottomed out that ''there certainly is evidence in that direction.'' That, however, seemed to contradict a prediction he made at a panel discussion in Chicago last week that ''over the long run, the dollar will be significantly lower.''</em>



A history of flip flopping, a very consistent history of "how could I have known?", and all the while hurting America with his arrogance. McCain used Greenie's report to support Keating/Lincoln Savings, and he says that he is reading Greenie's book to help him with his lack of knowledge on economics. Seriously, that is scary. Any true fiscal conservative will recognize the mistakes of Greenie, and not fall for the political pandering of Fannie and Freddie when they were only small portion of the problem compared to his.



The dollar did continue to drop for a while after Greenie took over it did come back up for a short time, but the average over his time it was less than when he took over, and because of him it is still lower to this day.



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[quote author="Nude" date=1225175802]Two things directly affected my vote this year: this campaign promise by McCain and his flat out lie to David Letterman.



I know, I know... there are worse things than lying to David Letterman about why he had to cancel that particular appearance but it illustrated how far he had let himself drift from his moral center in the pursuit of the Presidency. It just irked me that he couldn't be honest about it.



But he completely lost my vote when he began spouting this idea to buy up bad mortgages. Not only is he clueless on how to resolve this, both he and his advisors are clearly clueless about what caused it. I'm sorry John, but if I have to choose between two people with no experience on economic issues, I'm going with the one who has Volker advising him. At least then I can rest assured he's getting good advice and, to be honest, I'd rather have a President who ignored good advice than one who follows bad advice.



In my book, the deciding factor for Obama is that he isn't McCain. How sad is it that this is the best we can do for national elections. :down:</blockquote>


I find it "interesting" that you should announce a decision like this on he very day that radio interviews with Obama from 2001 point out that he thinks that one of the great failings of our Constitution is that it doesn't provide the judicial branch the power to redistribute wealth. But he believes that the legislative branch would allow him to create a socialist utopia.



While I simply can not support McCain's intention to commit tax dollars to shore up the negative impact of private decisions, the revamp of this Depression era policy is mild in comparison to the socialist policies of the candidate you just voiced support for. I would think that if you truly were concerned about creeping socialism, support of Bob Barr would make much more sense.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1225224541]I find it "interesting" that you should announce a decision like this on he very day that radio interviews with Obama from 2001 point out that he thinks that one of the great failings of our Constitution is that it doesn't provide the judicial branch the power to redistribute wealth. But he believes that the legislative branch would allow him to create a socialist utopia.



While I simply can not support McCain's intention to commit tax dollars to shore up the negative impact of private decisions, the revamp of this Depression era policy is mild in comparison to the socialist policies of the candidate you just voiced support for. I would think that if you truly were concerned about creeping socialism, support of Bob Barr would make much more sense.</blockquote>


There is no big secret/surprise/conspiracy here. I live in Washington State and mailed in my ballot yesterday so I posted my reason for voting. Obama's interview was centered around the civil rights movement of the 60's and he was pointing out that the SCOTUS under Warren was not as "radical" as it could have been, using the lack of any redistibutive actions as an example. His comment about "the failings" of the Constitution was that it does not include clear direction of what the government must do, only what it cannot do. He may indeed harbor socialist ideals, but no President (even with a majority in both houses) has the power to undo the Constitution; the amendment process is too slow and unwieldy to provide the kind of "change" you are attempting to imply will occur under Obama.



As for Bob Barr... While I agree with him in a great many things, I don't know enough about his character or his new party "friends" to cast my vote for his hopeless campaign. I also think that this is not the time for protectionism or withdrawal of our military from their bases around the world.



I'm tired or your twisting, spinning, and obfuscation of other people's positions but I have ignored it for the most part because it was directed at politicians. Now that you have called my own motives and reasoning into question, I invite you take a trip down your favorite OC beach and pound sand up your ass.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1225224541][quote author="Nude" date=1225175802]Two things directly affected my vote this year: this campaign promise by McCain and his flat out lie to David Letterman.



I know, I know... there are worse things than lying to David Letterman about why he had to cancel that particular appearance but it illustrated how far he had let himself drift from his moral center in the pursuit of the Presidency. It just irked me that he couldn't be honest about it.



But he completely lost my vote when he began spouting this idea to buy up bad mortgages. Not only is he clueless on how to resolve this, both he and his advisors are clearly clueless about what caused it. I'm sorry John, but if I have to choose between two people with no experience on economic issues, I'm going with the one who has Volker advising him. At least then I can rest assured he's getting good advice and, to be honest, I'd rather have a President who ignored good advice than one who follows bad advice.



In my book, the deciding factor for Obama is that he isn't McCain. How sad is it that this is the best we can do for national elections. :down:</blockquote>


I find it "interesting" that you should announce a decision like this on he very day that radio interviews with Obama from 2001 point out that he thinks that one of the great failings of our Constitution is that it doesn't provide the judicial branch the power to redistribute wealth. But he believes that the legislative branch would allow him to create a socialist utopia.



While I simply can not support McCain's intention to commit tax dollars to shore up the negative impact of private decisions, the revamp of this Depression era policy is mild in comparison to the socialist policies of the candidate you just voiced support for. I would think that if you truly were concerned about creeping socialism, support of Bob Barr would make much more sense.</blockquote>


You should venture past Drudge and Fox and get a more accurate perspective of what has been said. Read what he actually said - he is even taking the side of conservatives in that interview. That it is OK to give people the right to vote, but not the right to social safety nets. I think you might be in full agreement on that one. The tragedy he is alluding to in that interview was the judicial focus of the civil-rights movement whereas the legislative approach would be more in line with their goals. Of course, that actually sounds like a reasonable thing to say and thus wouldn't make it onto a Drudge headline.
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1225224541]While I simply can not support McCain's intention to commit tax dollars to shore up the negative impact of private decisions, the revamp of this Depression era policy is mild in comparison to the socialist policies of the candidate you just voiced support for. I would think that if you truly were concerned about creeping socialism, support of Bob Barr would make much more sense.</blockquote>


BTW, the closest thing to socialism right now is the wealth distribution that happens in Alaska as part of the "Permanent Fund". Collective ownership of natural resource and distribution of revenue made in exploring these mineral sources.
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1225240853][quote author="WINEX" date=1225224541]While I simply can not support McCain's intention to commit tax dollars to shore up the negative impact of private decisions, the revamp of this Depression era policy is mild in comparison to the socialist policies of the candidate you just voiced support for. I would think that if you truly were concerned about creeping socialism, support of Bob Barr would make much more sense.</blockquote>


BTW, the closest thing to socialism right now is the wealth distribution that happens in Alaska as part of the "Permanent Fund". Collective ownership of natural resource and distribution of revenue made in exploring these mineral sources.</blockquote>


Except that the money is distributed to the residents as cash that they are free to spend in any way they see fit. If it were close to socialism the money would be spent by the state directly on projects intended to benefit the people collectively. Instead, the state has taken the position that the residents each have a share in the partnership with the companies the state has licensed to process those resources owned by the state's residents. So really it's not close to socialism at all, but more like a capitalist contract dividing profits between parties.
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1225251005]Except that the money is distributed to the residents as cash that they are free to spend in any way they see fit. If it were close to socialism the money would be spent by the state directly on projects intended to benefit the people collectively. Instead, the state has taken the position that the residents each have a share in the partnership with the companies the state has licensed to process those resources owned by the state's residents. So really it's not close to socialism at all, but more like a capitalist contract dividing profits between parties.</blockquote>


Hi Nude. Nice to see you back. You were missed!



I'm not really sure that it's not socialism if the government decided that the people would be paid a dividend. That's still central planning and decision making by the government even if the money flows from the licensees, to the government, and then the citizens. I also believe that a large part of the state's budget comes from the licensing revenue as well. And, of course, the state (i.e., residents) still own the resources.
 
[quote author="Nude" date=1225234442][quote author="WINEX" date=1225224541]I find it "interesting" that you should announce a decision like this on he very day that radio interviews with Obama from 2001 point out that he thinks that one of the great failings of our Constitution is that it doesn't provide the judicial branch the power to redistribute wealth. But he believes that the legislative branch would allow him to create a socialist utopia.



While I simply can not support McCain's intention to commit tax dollars to shore up the negative impact of private decisions, the revamp of this Depression era policy is mild in comparison to the socialist policies of the candidate you just voiced support for. I would think that if you truly were concerned about creeping socialism, support of Bob Barr would make much more sense.</blockquote>


There is no big secret/surprise/conspiracy here. I live in Washington State and mailed in my ballot yesterday so I posted my reason for voting. Obama's interview was centered around the civil rights movement of the 60's and he was pointing out that the SCOTUS under Warren was not as "radical" as it could have been, using the lack of any redistibutive actions as an example. His comment about "the failings" of the Constitution was that it does not include clear direction of what the government must do, only what it cannot do. He may indeed harbor socialist ideals, but no President (even with a majority in both houses) has the power to undo the Constitution; the amendment process is too slow and unwieldy to provide the kind of "change" you are attempting to imply will occur under Obama.



As for Bob Barr... While I agree with him in a great many things, I don't know enough about his character or his new party "friends" to cast my vote for his hopeless campaign. I also think that this is not the time for protectionism or withdrawal of our military from their bases around the world.



I'm tired or your twisting, spinning, and obfuscation of other people's positions but I have ignored it for the most part because it was directed at politicians. Now that you have called my own motives and reasoning into question, I invite you take a trip down your favorite OC beach and pound sand up your ass.</blockquote>


You right,there is no big secret here. I've seen sock puppets before, and your actions are/were perfectly predictable. First you try to establish yourself as a conservative in a public venue, then you find some inane reason to vote for someone who has a value system that is supposedly the polar opposite of what you supposedly believe in the hopes that you can pluck off a few votes from true conservatives. While I have seen the same act played in every presidential election on various BBSes and forums, I must note that your supposed outrage over the way that McCain treated David Letterman was truly unique. You may want to work on that one before 2012.



I know that it doesn't mean anything to a sock puppet, but if you wanted to be logically consistent with the persona that you attempted to create, you might have realized that voting McCain into office would keep him off of David Letterman for the next 4 to 8 years. Whereas voting Obama into office will result in judicial appointments that increase the incidence of legislation at the bench. (Amending the Constitution is passe when you can stack the government with those who will ignore everything it says)
 
[quote author="green_cactus" date=1225239746][quote author="WINEX" date=1225224541][quote author="Nude" date=1225175802]Two things directly affected my vote this year: this campaign promise by McCain and his flat out lie to David Letterman.



I know, I know... there are worse things than lying to David Letterman about why he had to cancel that particular appearance but it illustrated how far he had let himself drift from his moral center in the pursuit of the Presidency. It just irked me that he couldn't be honest about it.



But he completely lost my vote when he began spouting this idea to buy up bad mortgages. Not only is he clueless on how to resolve this, both he and his advisors are clearly clueless about what caused it. I'm sorry John, but if I have to choose between two people with no experience on economic issues, I'm going with the one who has Volker advising him. At least then I can rest assured he's getting good advice and, to be honest, I'd rather have a President who ignored good advice than one who follows bad advice.



In my book, the deciding factor for Obama is that he isn't McCain. How sad is it that this is the best we can do for national elections. :down:</blockquote>


I find it "interesting" that you should announce a decision like this on he very day that radio interviews with Obama from 2001 point out that he thinks that one of the great failings of our Constitution is that it doesn't provide the judicial branch the power to redistribute wealth. But he believes that the legislative branch would allow him to create a socialist utopia.



While I simply can not support McCain's intention to commit tax dollars to shore up the negative impact of private decisions, the revamp of this Depression era policy is mild in comparison to the socialist policies of the candidate you just voiced support for. I would think that if you truly were concerned about creeping socialism, support of Bob Barr would make much more sense.</blockquote>


You should venture past Drudge and Fox and get a more accurate perspective of what has been said. Read what he actually said - he is even taking the side of conservatives in that interview. That it is OK to give people the right to vote, but not the right to social safety nets. I think you might be in full agreement on that one. The tragedy he is alluding to in that interview was the judicial focus of the civil-rights movement whereas the legislative approach would be more in line with their goals. Of course, that actually sounds like a reasonable thing to say and thus wouldn't make it onto a Drudge headline.</blockquote>


I didn't read the transcript of the radio interview from 2001, but I did listen to it. And you are dead wrong about my feelings for "social safety nets". Take government off the backs of people and they will be able to provide for themselves. And the American people are a very generous people, and we have always been willing to help neighbors in need. The capacity to do so is increased when you don't have to give away more than half of what you make to the government.
 
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