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bones said:
Irvinecommuter said:
bones said:
jmoney74 said:
they forgot to add (sarcasm off).

As a PP owner.. I don't really care but me thinks a lot of people will.

Like IHO pointed out. It's just blustering and positioning. 5 points will get it done - too much on the line for them. They still have thousands of homes to build and sell on the IUSD side.

May be out of 5 points' control though...at least based upon the comments of at least two of the board members.  Agran doesn't want it at site A and Parham wants to give up PP to SVUSD.

If PP gets zoned into SVUSD, Bakers' Ranch is going to a lot more business.

Isn't that the definition of posturing?

Maybe but Irvine USD and TIC would certainly have incentives to push PP to SVUSD.
 
bones said:
Irvinecommuter said:
bones said:
Irvinecommuter said:
bones said:
jmoney74 said:
they forgot to add (sarcasm off).

As a PP owner.. I don't really care but me thinks a lot of people will.

Like IHO pointed out. It's just blustering and positioning. 5 points will get it done - too much on the line for them. They still have thousands of homes to build and sell on the IUSD side.

May be out of 5 points' control though...at least based upon the comments of at least two of the board members.  Agran doesn't want it at site A and Parham wants to give up PP to SVUSD.

If PP gets zoned into SVUSD, Bakers' Ranch is going to a lot more business.

Isn't that the definition of posturing?

Maybe but Irvine USD and TIC would certainly have incentives to push PP to SVUSD.

It's not really about PP (700 unhappy homeowners).  It's more about GP (thousands of unbuilt homes to sell in IUSD).  They already have a site picked and approved from an environmental standpoint.  I view this as posturing to get 5 points to deed the land over ASAP.

But it's really no skin off of Irvine or IUSD if GP got rezoned to SVUSD.  A significant portion of GP was already zoned in there.  The big losers would be the existing residents of PP and Five Points.  Conversely, the TIC would clearly push for PP to be zoned into SVUSD.
 
Irvinecommuter said:
test said:
Irvinecommuter said:
People in PP would revolt if they got zoned into SVUSD. 

According to iacrenter people don't buy based on school zoning and PP folks being sooooo far away from the 5 freeway. What were they thinking? Quieter, less pollution, and 3 minutes of extra commuting time. They must be insane.

I am pretty sure s/he was talking about Stonegate and s/he was being sarcastic.

You have to be very explicit for Test to understand things. So yes, I was being sarcastic about SG.

Test like usual believes the world revolves around Cypress Village and believes it is the SHIT. He/She is probably right.

[?/sarcasm]
 
bones said:
Irvinecommuter said:
But it's really no skin off of Irvine or IUSD if GP got rezoned to SVUSD.  Most of GP was already zoned in there.  The big losers would be the existing residents of PP and Five Points.  Conversely, the TIC would clearly push for PP to be zoned into SVUSD.

Sure.  I agree with that.  But in my eyes, the ball is in FIve Points' court.  If they deed over the land today, it's end of discussion.  Like all greedy developers, they're probably holding onto the land grant as some sort of horsetrade for something they didn't get in the negotiations.

Nonetheless...it will be interesting to see what happens.  After all the times that FP has worked Irvine over on the GP, it will be interesting to see if Irvine can get one win. 

If I was Irvine, I would threaten to move PP/GP to SVUSD unless GP gives IUSD a better piece of land than either Lot A or B.
 
iacrenter said:
Irvinecommuter said:
test said:
Irvinecommuter said:
People in PP would revolt if they got zoned into SVUSD. 

According to iacrenter people don't buy based on school zoning and PP folks being sooooo far away from the 5 freeway. What were they thinking? Quieter, less pollution, and 3 minutes of extra commuting time. They must be insane.

I am pretty sure s/he was talking about Stonegate and s/he was being sarcastic.

You have to be very explicit for Test to understand things. So yes, I was being sarcastic about SG.

Test like usual believes the world revolves around Cypress Village and believes it is the SHIT. He/She is probably right.

[?/sarcasm]

I was being sarcastic about SG too. [/?sarcasm]
 
It looks like political posturing too.. They will get it done. 

So I already bought the house and hoping not to move again for a very long time.  If it drops it drops.. lower property taxes.  lol. 

 
Move SG kids over to Saddle back unified school as well.  I would say.
 
jmoney74 said:
Move SG kids over to Saddle back unified school as well.  I would say.

Except SG is TIC so it's not happening.  PP/GP is not TIC.  Also geographically, it would be an odd cut-off...you would have to jump over Woodbury East and Stonegate East to get to Stonegate.
 
So is Northpark Irvine company.. but their kids have to go to Beckman TUSD? 

PP is really far from SG though so it makes sense.  15 min extra to get to Woodbury towncenter.  How do people even make it over to The Marketplace?  Must take them an hour.
 
jmoney74 said:
So is Northpark Irvine company.. but their kids have to go to Beckman TUSD? 

PP is really far from SG though so it makes sense.  15 min extra to get to Woodbury towncenter.  How do people even make it over to The Marketplace?  Must take them an hour.

But Northpark was already zoned into Tustin USD when it started.  Ditto for Northpark Square. 

I am not saying that PP is that far from SG.  Just that TIC has a lot more sway over Irvine/IUSD than Five Points. 
 
bones said:
Irvinecommuter said:
jmoney74 said:
So is Northpark Irvine company.. but their kids have to go to Beckman TUSD? 

PP is really far from SG though so it makes sense.  15 min extra to get to Woodbury towncenter.  How do people even make it over to The Marketplace?  Must take them an hour.

But Northpark was already zoned into Tustin USD when it started.  Ditto for Northwood Square. 

I am not saying that PP is that far from SG.  Just that TIC has a lot more sway over Irvine/IUSD than Five Points. 

Let's just let it play out. No one knows what will happen but I think we can all agree that if five points signs over the land today - it's discussion over. I know certain board members and city ppl aren't happy with the sites, etc. but it's my understanding that this was all voted on?  Correct me if I'm wrong here - I don't really follow this stuff but thought I read that somewhere.

No..it's not a done deal yet.  The OCRegister article states that most of the blame is being placed on Agran and some on  Five  Point. 

the IUSD articles states that:

On the motion of board member Michael Parham, the board voted unanimously to craft another possible scenario Tuesday night, directing staff to confer with the neighboring Saddleback Valley Unified School District to determine if it?s feasible to transfer some land ? including FivePoint?s planned residential developments ? to that district, thereby delaying the need for a new comprehensive high school in IUSD.

?I look at this and I say, either we have a school that?s built immediately and ready to fill,? Parham said, ?or we cede the land to Saddleback and let (students) go to another school.?

The article talks about how the board is looking at alternate areas with TIC.

The other part of the issue is that IUSD may not want to go through this.  They have to build a number of other schools within GP and would have to go through a similar process for each of those.

Board President Sharon Wallin agreed, noting that the district was also planning on building a K-8 school and perhaps another elementary school and middle school on the former site of the El Toro Marine Corps Air Station.

?That?s a lot of schools in the area,? she said. ?Look at how long it took to determine that (Site A) is a clean piece of land. Every single site, we?re going to be going through this because it?s all going to be on the base.?

Also interesting because the location where Crean Lutheran High School is now would have been very good for IUSD.  I wonder how Crean got that piece of land.
 
test said:
Irvinecommuter said:
test said:
jmoney74 said:
Move SG kids over to Saddle back unified school as well.  I would say.

They're already getting kicked out of Northwood so they wouldn't care.

Definitely have not heard this...people with high school kids at SG I know are all going to Northwood.

Did you go to the meeting?
http://www.talkirvine.com/index.php/topic,1845.msg225063.html#msg225063

No...I assume you did then.  I am just passing along my own knowledge of the situation.

I do know that SG Elementary is kicking out all non-SG kids starting next year.
 
Bones:  It seems like to me that they have been planning for Site A but Agran threw a wrench into approval.  The superintendent's letter clearly states that:

As you may have heard during one of our recent Board of Education meetings, there has been an extensive amount of work involved in studying two potential sites for our next comprehensive high school. This letter is being sent to bring you up to speed and to clarify some of the facts.

Site A is the preferred site because the district went through 5 years of planning and it's very close to being shovel ready.  Site B is nowhere near ready and has not even been cleared by the EPA.  So, if the district scraps its plan for Site A, there needs to be alternative to either give up students or find an spot that is immediately ready.

The approval was for the adoption of the final EIR for Site A...it's basically the last major hurdle as to the environmental review.

The IUSD article stated that the 5th HS could be ready to go in 2016 if the district starts construct in August of this year.  If not, it will not be ready.
 
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