ICE or EV?

Which car(s) will you be buying next?

  • ICE ICE Baby (morekaos dinosaur option)

    Votes: 13 31.0%

  • EV forEVa (unicorns for all)

    Votes: 23 54.8%

  • PHEV (I still have range anxiety)

    Votes: 4 9.5%

  • Hybrid (can't plug in yet)

    Votes: 5 11.9%

  • Alternative fuel (Hydrogen, vegetable oil, etc)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Total voters
    42
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It’s Westworld…🤦🏽‍♂️😳😂😂🦄🌈


Tesla robot ATTACKS an engineer at company's Texas factory during violent malfunction - leaving 'trail of blood' and forcing workers to hit emergency shutdown button

· Data shows one in every 21 Giga Texas workers was injured on the job in 2022

· And now an attorney aiding contract laborers at the factory tells DailyMail.com that there's evidence Tesla UNDER-REPORTED accidents to state regulators

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ng-workers-hit-emergency-shutdown-button.html
 
Nice cherry picking. The Toyota BusyForEx is one of the worst EVs. And it's Toyota who is still not going in on electric so what do you expect.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Over 7000 US dealers seem to think they will be selling lots of EVs next year (and that's just a start):

insideevs.com

More Than 7,000 U.S. Car Dealers Sign Up For 'Point Of Sale' EV Credits

Thousands of franchised automotive dealers have registered to offer point-of-sale credits to customers, signaling a welcome to boost EV adoption.
insideevs.com insideevs.com

Happy holidays morekaos!
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Yah..Ford dealers hate it as much as GM dealers do…🤦🏽‍♂️🤣🤣🦄🌈

Half of Ford's US dealers decline EV certification, risking future profits

The cost of these requirements varies according to each dealership's location. Nevertheless, Ford estimates that dealers must invest between $500,000 to $1.2 million. The first certification phase concludes at the end of 2023, and Ford has compiled data from all of their American dealerships.

From this data, it's clear that about 1550 dealerships, approximately half of the total U.S. dealer network, have continued selling only gasoline and hybrid cars for now. They've decided not to make the necessary investments at this time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...1&cvid=c30bea42f85c4f96bc11f0d005f73507&ei=14

How Electric-Vehicle Demand Is Losing Steam in the U.S., in Charts

As a result, electric cars and trucks are piling up on dealer lots, causing auto companies to reassess their investment plans. It takes a dealership around three weeks longer to sell an EV than a gasoline vehicle, according to data from car-shopping website Edmunds. A year ago, battery-powered models were selling faster than their gasoline counterparts.

IMG_1558.pnghttps://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/how-electric-vehicle-demand-is-losing-steam-in-the-u-s-in-charts/ar-AA1m5PZM?ocid=socialshare&pc=U531&cvid=c30bea42f85c4f96bc11f0d005f73507&ei=3
 
Tesla keeps selling:

electrek.co

Tesla (TSLA) releases Q4 delivery results, breaks another record

Tesla (TSLA) has released its Q4 2023, and subsequently, full-year 2023, delivery results, and the automaker has broken another delivery...
electrek.co electrek.co

1.8mil+ in 2023... over 1.7mil of those were 3/Ys.

And you can get a 2023 Bolt for $20k with the $7500 POS credit:


But I really don't recommend buying any EV right now... I would lease and see how things shake out in the next 2-3 years.
 
…too bad it’s 200,000 short of their full year projection. That’s a 10% miss but Just keep moving down expectations and you hit projections every time…like magic🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂🦄🌈

“In its last earnings call in October 2023, Tesla execs offered guidance that the company would notch at least 1.8 million deliveries for the full year, a number they had revised down from a 2 million goal earlier.”
www.cnbc.com

Tesla reported 485,000 deliveries for the fourth quarter, bringing 2023 total to 1.8 million

The EV company previously offered guidance that it would notch at least 1.8 million deliveries for the full year in 2023.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
 
Lay ups….Toyota…👍🏽🥂

Toyota's global output surges to record in November on strong demand​

Domestic sales for the month shot 27% higher, sales in both the United States and China increased by 17%, while those in Europe climbed 15%.

The result puts the world's largest automaker on track for global sales of more than 10 million Toyota and Lexus-branded vehicles in 2023 - also a record.



Disappointment at Rivian…🤦🏽‍♂️🦄🌈

EV maker Rivian's quarterly deliveries miss expectations, shares tank
The company handed over 13,972 vehicles in the last three months of 2023, 10% lower than the previous quarter, and below estimates of 14,430, per 13 analysts polled by Visible Alpha.
 
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Lay ups….Toyota…👍🏽🥂

Toyota's global output surges to record in November on strong demand​

Domestic sales for the month shot 27% higher, sales in both the United States and China increased by 17%, while those in Europe climbed 15%.

The result puts the world's largest automaker on track for global sales of more than 10 million Toyota and Lexus-branded vehicles in 2023 - also a record.



Disappointment at Rivian…🤦🏽‍♂️🦄🌈

EV maker Rivian's quarterly deliveries miss expectations, shares tank
The company handed over 13,972 vehicles in the last three months of 2023, 10% lower than the previous quarter, and below estimates of 14,430, per 13 analysts polled by Visible Alpha.
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Lay ups. https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-motor-north-america-reports-2023-u-s-sales-results/
  • Electrified vehicle sales – battery, hybrids, plug-ins and fuel cells – surge 30 percent and make up nearly one-third of total sales volume
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morekaos said:
Disappointment at Rivian…
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Only for Q4 numbers (and by less than 30 units). They actually beat their estimated 2023 goals by over 3000 units and delivered 78% more than 2022. Far from a disappointment... but you nitpick where you can.

Hyundai/Kia also killing it in the EV space:

electrek.co

Hyundai set a new sales record in 2023 with nearly 47,000 IONIQ 5 and IONIQ 6 EVs sold

For the third straight year, Hyundai sold a record number of vehicles in the US in 2023. Hyundai expects the...
electrek.co electrek.co

And despite the "slowdown", Ford still doing well with the Lightning with record Q4 sales:

electrek.co

Ford updates 2024 F-150 Lightning prices, the best-selling electric pickup in the US

Ford’s F-150 Lightning is the best-selling electric pickup in the US after a record fourth quarter. As demand continues to...
electrek.co electrek.co

But they are raising prices again on the '24 models... I guess they didn't learn from when they did that last time and had to reduce prices.

Dinosaurs gonna dinosaur.
 
Let’s revisit IHO challenge from September 1...with a pretty great market for the last quarter this sector was a total disaster…here are the numbers…doomed!😂😂😂🦄🌈

EV scorecard: September 1, 2023

Tesla IHO wins $245.01-$240.10
Rivian IHO yes, morekaos no $23.31-20.43
Lucid IHO neutral, morekaos no $6.36-4.00
Chinese EVs (BYD,Nio,etc) IHO yes, morekaos no
BYD $64.03-54.32 NIO $11.00-8.52
VinFast IHO no, morekaos no $29.50-7.05
Fisker IHO doubtful, moreaos ? $5.96-1.49
Big 3 IHO yes, morekaos doomed
GM $33.54-35.44 F $12.14-11.88
STL $18.23-22.34
Big 3 Asian (Honda, Toyota, Hyundai/Kia) IHO yes, morekaos no
HMC $32.33-30.67 TM $172.51-181.83
HUN $85-$64
Euro IHO yes, morekaos no
VOLVO $1.28-1.05 VOLK $125.30 - $115.35
 
Funny how morekaos uses stock prices when it's in his favor and then sales numbers on other occations.

Just look at the EV adoption rate... winning.
 
Here ya go then…ICE sales continue to impress….EV sales?...not so much…🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂😂🦄🌈

GM’s 2023 U.S. vehicle sales were its best since 2019

· General Motors’ U.S. vehicle sales increased 14.1% last year to represent the automaker’s best year since 2019.

· GM’s sales are in line with expectations for overall industry sales.

· The automaker’s annual sales increase was led by a 61% increase in its Buick brand, followed by a 13.1% increase for its mainstream Chevrolet unit.

GM’s annual sales increase was led by a 61% increase in its Buick brand, followed by a 13.1% increase for its mainstream Chevrolet unit. Sales at the GMC and Cadillac brands were up roughly 9% each in 2023.

Sales of all-electric vehicles for GM were disappointing in 2023. GM’s EV sales totaled 75,883 units, or 2.9% of the company’s overall sales last year. A vast majority of those were sales of its now discontinued Chevrolet Bolt models.The company has experienced problems in ramping up production of its newer “Ultium” EVs, including a major issue with battery module assembly.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/03/gm-2023-us-vehicle-sales.html
 
Picking cherries again.

How many EVs did GM sell in 2022 vs 2023?

If it's greater than 14.1%, you lose... and the fact that it's basically only 2 models (the Bolt EV and Bolt EUV) makes the increase even more egg on your face.
 
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