ICE or EV?

[AW]

… once again, missing the point. I don’t care that you post from what people perceive as biased websites. Don’t shoot the messenger argue the point.

Example about Ferrari going EV came with both what is perceived by both spectrums biases, what’s to argue

Again the irony, you’re the one calling others fools that don’t agree with your biased viewpoints, lol

 

[morekaos]

Or argue the misconceived point like:

- Teslas are $100k
- Ferrari will never build an EV
- I can't find a $37k Model 3
- No one will buy EVs

Perfect…

1). The all-wheel-drive-only Tesla Model S is significantly more expensive than the Model 3. The Long Range variant, which travels an estimated 405 miles on a full charge, has already seen a decent price reduction from its most recent MSRP of $106,190, to $96,380. It reduced even further to a new starting MSRP of $91,380 including destination (which is not quite low enough of a total to qualify for the Inflation Reduction Act's policy of tax credits). It now starts at $89,88 as of May 2023, including destination.

After the tri-motor Plaid variant saw its price hiked, first from $119,690 to $131,190 after the news dropped that Tesla won't make the 520-mile, higher-performance Plaid+ model, which CEO Elon Musk claimed is no longer necessary, it saw yet another jump to a whopping $137,190. That was previously slashed to just $116,380—lower than the Plaid has ever been priced—and now starts at $109,880, significantly cheaper than just a few months ago.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-much-is-a-tesla/

2) They still haven’t

3) also See 1).
How Much Does it Cost to Own a Tesla Model 3

As the cheapest Tesla available, the Model 3 has a lot to offer, including strong range and sleek styling. The rear-drive Standard Range Plus model had already seen its base price jump to as high as $48,190 as of March 2022, but Tesla has undone some of those increases, dropping the out-the-door MSRP to $43,990. With the new $1,390 destination charge, that placed the least-expensive Model 3 at $45,380 before another pair of recent reductions of $1,000 dragged the out-the-door price to $43,380. It's now down to to $41,630 including destination. This car has an estimated driving range of 267 miles.

The Long Range model was but no longer is on hiatus on Tesla's website; it delivers an EPA-rated 353 miles of range and had started at $59,190, but now starts at $47,240 as of May 2023. The racier Performance model manages an EPA-rated 315 miles of range on a full charge and is now priced at $55,380 with destination—way down from the $64,190 Tesla had been charging for one. Both Long Range and Performance models come standard with all-wheel-drive courtesy of an individual electric motor at each axle.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-much-is-a-tesla/

4) they won’t

 

[irvinehomeowner]

The rear-drive Standard Range Plus model had already seen its base price jump to as high as $48,190 as of March 2022, but Tesla has undone some of those increases, dropping the out-the-door MSRP to $43,990.

Using a March 2022 MSRP for the Model 3? Did you ask your kids yet to navigate Tesla.com for you to find the today's price?

Disinformation gonna disinformation.

I won't waste my time responding to your other lies but thanks for showing everyone how you roll... or troll.

 

[zubs]

I'm trying not to pile on, but you sound like Bagdad bob

 

[morekaos]

Using a March 2022 MSRP for the Model 3? Did you ask your kids yet to navigate Tesla.com for you to find the today's price?

Disinformation gonna disinformation.

I won't waste my time responding to your other lies but thanks for showing everyone how you roll... or troll.

Not me reporting that. Straight from motor trend magazine May 12, 2023. Not what would you would call a right wing biased publication

 

[morekaos]

I'm trying not to pile on, but you sound like Bagdad bob

with 48% of the electric vehicles sold in this country right here in California that statements, kind of true, no one outside of your neighborhood are going to buy these things

 

[AW]

with 48% of the electric vehicles sold in this country right here in California that statements, kind of true, no one outside of your neighborhood are going to buy these things

Really? I’d like to see your facts regarding the downtrend of EV’s being sold outside of California

Or hence why all these manufacturers are creating EV’s in their pipeline, if they agree with you they wouldn’t even have that.

Why fight gravity, innovation and change is constant, (except in your world, apparently)

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I already posted an article that shows EV purchases outside of California are trending up (even in ICE-heavy Texas):

EVs are winning over largely conservative areas as buyers look to save money

At least Democrats and Republicans are beginning to agree on one thing – EVs can save you money (and the...

electrek.co

morekaos just ignores whatever doesn't fit his narrative... like the $37k Model 3.

 

[morekaos]

gravity doesn’t come with the point of a gun, or of a regulator, or a bureaucrat. That’s our tax dollars pushing an agenda that’s due to fail. I just hate to see my hard earned tax dollars being wasted.

 

[AW]

gravity doesn’t come with the point of a gun, or of a regulator, or a bureaucrat. That’s our tax dollars pushing an agenda that’s due to fail. I just hate to see my hard earned tax dollars being wasted.

Just like our tax dollars subsidizing trillions of dollars to the fossil fuel industry since the beginning, yet consumers only see pain at the gas pump while the said companies are having record profits.
And when it’s applied to renewables, suddenly it’s a waste, lol.
Time to step out of the basement of the bowling alley in Pleasantville and live in the real world, fear is gonna fear

 

[morekaos]

…and here we are again with the same argument, pull all the subsidies. I don’t care, let’s see what technology lives, and what technology dies. My moneys on fossil fuels. Let the market decide. The way it is now it will eventually. There’s no infrastructure or raw mineral economics that will supply your rainbow and unicorn future…it will collapse on itself eventually, but not after a lot of wasted money and time that’s why i call them fools

 

[irvinehomeowner]

…and here we are again with the same argument, pull all the subsidies. I don’t care, let’s see what technology lives, and what technology dies. My moneys on fossil fuels. Let the market decide. The way it is now it will eventually. There’s no infrastructure or raw mineral economics that will supply your rainbow and unicorn future…it will collapse on itself eventually, but not after a lot of wasted money and time that’s why i call them fools

So wrong and so stuck in the mud... we'd still be doing horse and carriage if the world listened to you.

I bet you hated the iPhone.

 

[morekaos]

Wrong, still have my fist gen iPhone…use it to store and play music. It’s actually worth a chunk on eBay. The reason your head long charge for unicorns and rainbows will fail is simple. Not enough energy not enough minerals to produce batteries not enough charge stations, not enough transmission lines, not enough range, not enough towing ability not enough anything but lots of cost.

 

[AW]

…and here we are again with the same argument, pull all the subsidies. I don’t care, let’s see what technology lives, and what technology dies. My moneys on fossil fuels. Let the market decide. The way it is now it will eventually. There’s no infrastructure or raw mineral economics that will supply your rainbow and unicorn future…it will collapse on itself eventually, but not after a lot of wasted money and time that’s why i call them fools

Yep, feel the same way, pull subsidies on fossil fuel industry, they are already mature, they certainly don’t need it.

Wrong, still have my fist gen iPhone…use it to store and play music. It’s actually worth a chunk on eBay. The reason your head long charge for unicorns and rainbows will fail is simple. Not enough energy not enough minerals to produce batteries not enough charge stations, not enough transmission lines, not enough range, not enough towing ability not enough anything but lots of cost.

As always, you think science, technology and innovation is static (it’s not), just like how you like to hold on to the past (1979 stated science, and now first gen iPhone), and calling others fools? Lol

When there is a market, and demand, lo and behold, innovation will improve vastly.

Do you also have a typewriter? Rotary phone? Outdoor tv antenna trying to get UHF? Radio shack stocks? Betamax tapes? Wouldn’t be surprised…

 

[morekaos]

Yep, feel the same way, pull subsidies on fossil fuel industry, they are already mature, they certainly don’t need it.



As always, you think science, technology and innovation is static (it’s not), just like how you like to hold on to the past (1979 stated science, and now first gen iPhone), and calling others fools? Lol

When there is a market, and demand, lo and behold, innovation will improve vastly.

Do you also have a typewriter? Rotary phone? Outdoor tv antenna trying to get UHF? Radio shack stocks? Betamax tapes? Wouldn’t be surprised…

you put for too much faith in the benevolent brilliance of man. I prefer to lean on the baser instincts, fear and greed. In the end they always win out.

 

[AW]

you put for too much faith in the benevolent brilliance of man. I prefer to lean on the baser instincts, fear and greed. In the end they always win out.

Umm, ok, yes, I prefer brilliance of using your noggin instead of roaming around like caveman, but you do you

 

[morekaos]

Umm, ok, yes, I prefer brilliance of using your noggin instead of roaming around like caveman, but you do you

The difference is, you’re sure to be disappointed, I never am.

 

[AW]

The difference is, you’re sure to be disappointed, I never am.

Haha, are we in grade school, jeez.
sounds like you’re the one disappointed with the way things are going since they are heading against your favor. Wah waaah

 

[morekaos]

against me, how do you figure? 4% of national sales? Who cares ? never said they wouldn’t sell one but once the idealists buy theirs those sales figures will plummet. This will be a Disaster for these companies, i’ve made a pretty penny on the short side counting on the suckers to keep the fools rolling in and funding this pointless pursuit of unicorns….have at it!

 

[AW]

against me, how do you figure? 4% of national sales? Who cares ? never said they wouldn’t sell one but once the idealists buy theirs those sales figures will plummet. This will be a Disaster for these companies, i’ve made a pretty penny on the short side counting on the suckers to keep the fools rolling in and funding this pointless pursuit of unicorns….have at it!

Sure, I mean, if you invested in Tesla instead of Ferrari your gains would’ve been 16000%, I mean that’s such a disaster, and if you shorted Tesla during that timeframe, yeah…