Home classifications in Irvine/OC

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The Motor Court Company said:
I am sorry I am not Chinese so I do not welcome lower standards.

world chaos said:
forget it... responding to u is getting no where...

u spew the same venom over and over again and complain all day...

no one forced u to buy in stonegate, u can get such a better deal in yorba linda or brea... like ur almost here to justify ur own poor purchase choice... ur a sucker for buying in irvine just like the rest of us... a little less of a sucker then someone buying in portola springs, but a sucker nonetheless...

im probably younger then u... but honestly... grow the fuck up

life is tough and then you die... Nietzsche
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u want ur high standards then be ready to pay the premium for it... otherwise find another area where land value is significantly cheaper... the problem is u dont want to pay the premium for it yet ur expecting what 1970-1980's irvine land value prices? give me a break man...
 
I do think the distinction between what constitutes an SFR, a condo, a detached condo, an SFH has been blurred by TIC and their builders.

Even the definition of a condo is not consistent because before... an owner was only responsible for the inside... now with these detached condos, depending on the unit, you are also responsible for the outside maintenance. That may not be unique to Irvine but it's where I first heard of those differences.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Even the definition of a condo is not consistent because before... an owner was only responsible for the inside... now with these detached condos, depending on the unit, you are also responsible for the outside maintenance.
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I believe this may fall under the label of "PUD", or, Planned Unit Development. I do not know why PUD is not an option in the MLS. Housing type can be mixed in a PUD development, however I feel it's easier to identify with than picking between two or three distinct types. I used to own a PUD... a detached condo is what it would most closely match and, yeah, each owner is responsible for exterior maintenance.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
I do think the distinction between what constitutes an SFR, a condo, a detached condo, an SFH has been blurred by TIC and their builders.

Even the definition of a condo is not consistent because before... an owner was only responsible for the inside... now with these detached condos, depending on the unit, you are also responsible for the outside maintenance. That may not be unique to Irvine but it's where I first heard of those differences.
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colloquially yes... what confounds the problem is most ppl dont use the words accordingly with their proper definitions...

structurally, there is no such thing as a single family "home"... its either single family or multi-family... structurally u dont describe something as a "condo"... all it cares about is how many families can live in one unit...

legally, anything shared is considered a condo... a single family home could become a condo if there is any form of communal property between units... its legal that is concerned about who owns what portions of a property and what portions are shared/communal... if u really want to be nit picky ANYTHING with an HOA is a condo...

if TIC wanted to stick by the legal book, all these master planned communities 1m+ homes with driveways should be called "condos" too since the roads/fences are also private property... if TIC went with the structural book, they can call everything single family... guess which one sounds better? single family... so its a no brainer they went with the structural definition instead...
 
my goodness man... here... copy and paste from wiki =_=;;

A condominium, or condo, is the form of housing tenure and other real property where a specified part of a piece of real estate (usually of an apartment house) is individually owned while use of and access to common facilities in the piece such as hallways, heating system, elevators, exterior areas is executed under legal rights associated with the individual ownership and controlled by the association of owners that jointly represent ownership of the whole piece.

Colloquially, the term is often used to refer to the unit itself in place of the word "apartment". A condominium may be simply defined as an "apartment" that the resident owns as opposed to rents.

 
heres dictionary definition...

con?do?min?i?um  (knd-mn-m)
n. pl. con?do?min?i?ums also con?do?min?i?a (-mn-)
1.
a. A building or complex in which units of property, such as apartments, are owned by individuals and common parts of the property, such as the grounds and building structure, are owned jointly by the unit owners.
b. A unit in such a complex.

technically turtle ridge/rock owns their own private road leading up to the homes beyond the gates... HOA pays for the maintenance of those roads... the road n all facilities are technically part of the "ground" owned jointly by the unit owners... therefore all those 2-3m+ homes are condos too i suppose...
 
SoCal said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Even the definition of a condo is not consistent because before... an owner was only responsible for the inside... now with these detached condos, depending on the unit, you are also responsible for the outside maintenance.
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I believe this may fall under the label of "PUD", or, Planned Unit Development. I do not know why PUD is not an option in the MLS. Housing type can be mixed in a PUD development, however I feel it's easier to identify with than picking between two or three distinct types. I used to own a PUD... a detached condo is what it would most closely match and, yeah, each owner is responsible for exterior maintenance.
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See... that's the thing... in Irvine, because of the many HOA developments... the line is blurred between a condo, a PUD and an SFR tract with an HOA.

Technically, isn't an SFR tract with an HOA just like a PUD? What differentiates a detached condo tract from an SFR tract with an HOA... the fact that an SFR has a "lot size"?

@world chaos: So then any SFR tract with an HOA is a condo?
 
irvinehomeowner said:
SoCal said:
irvinehomeowner said:
Even the definition of a condo is not consistent because before... an owner was only responsible for the inside... now with these detached condos, depending on the unit, you are also responsible for the outside maintenance.
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I believe this may fall under the label of "PUD", or, Planned Unit Development. I do not know why PUD is not an option in the MLS. Housing type can be mixed in a PUD development, however I feel it's easier to identify with than picking between two or three distinct types. I used to own a PUD... a detached condo is what it would most closely match and, yeah, each owner is responsible for exterior maintenance.
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See... that's the thing... in Irvine, because of the many HOA developments... the line is blurred between a condo, a PUD and an SFR tract with an HOA.

Technically, isn't an SFR tract with an HOA just like a PUD? What differentiates a detached condo tract from an SFR tract with an HOA... the fact that an SFR has a "lot size"?

@world chaos: So then any SFR tract with an HOA is a condo?
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technically yes... but colloquially we all know thats not the case...

maybe im wording it incorrectly... what im trying to say is by definition, the opposite of single family is not "condo"... the opposite of single family is "multi-dwelling" or "multi-family" (we talking solely structural at this point)... whereas by definition, the opposite of condo is just free and clear "sole ownership" (now we are talking ownership only)...

anyways, colloquially, for me, a true single family "home" means i can do whatever i want with my home, no HOA communal property, CC&R restrictions...
 
The Motor Court Company said:
as many long term Irvine residents will tell you, Irvine is going down hill with the development of high density apartments and motor court homes. TIC might have done a perfect job in 90's and prior (such that Irvine stands out above neighboring cities), but today they are taking away what used to make Irvine great.
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n dont spout ur fear mongering... the same fears u say about irvine could have been said about palo alto 15 years ago... look at it now, still more attractive then ever...

if anything i am one of those "native buyers" cept im just down grading from los angeles... not native enough for u?... well sorry to burst ur bubble again, but the middle class is shrinking... since the 1980's 15% of the middle class have dropped back down to lower class and another 15% of the middle class have gone up to the upper class... im not surprised u "feel" the heat and how the same dollar doesnt go as far as it does anymore...  if more and more ppl move to irvine, in 10 years then its just a fact TIC will pump out more and more inferior products which will sell for more and more usd sq/ft just like all the other developers in los angeles...
 
I think living in Irvine has us spoiled, and we're complaining about things that are a luxury to anyone outside of Irvine/OC.  Just watch some of the HGTV shows of people living else where in the country.  People are wooing and ahhing over the fact that the master bedroom has a en suite bathroom, or the fact that the bathroom has separate shower and tub.  Or when a house has hardwood floors or stainless steel appliances.  Or a house that has a "open concept" (i.e., great room).  I'm watching these shows and am going, why are they so impressed?  These are basic and minimum requirements for a home!  The fact is, living in OC/Irvine in newer homes, you're already better off than 90% of the rest of the country.  Just be thankful and enjoy your home and stop worrying about how Redfin defines your house.
 
gaogi said:
I think living in Irvine has us spoiled, and we're complaining about things that are a luxury to anyone outside of Irvine/OC.  Just watch some of the HGTV shows of people living else where in the country.  People are wooing and ahhing over the fact that the master bedroom has a en suite bathroom, or the fact that the bathroom has separate shower and tub.  Or when a house has hardwood floors or stainless steel appliances.  Or a house that has a "open concept" (i.e., great room).  I'm watching these shows and am going, why are they so impressed?  These are basic and minimum requirements for a home!  The fact is, living in OC/Irvine in newer homes, you're already better off than 90% of the rest of the country.  Just be thankful and enjoy your home and stop worrying about how Redfin defines your house.
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THANK YOU!! OMG...
 
gaogi said:
I think living in Irvine has us spoiled, and we're complaining about things that are a luxury to anyone outside of Irvine/OC.  Just watch some of the HGTV shows of people living else where in the country.  People are wooing and ahhing over the fact that the master bedroom has a en suite bathroom, or the fact that the bathroom has separate shower and tub.  Or when a house has hardwood floors or stainless steel appliances.  Or a house that has a "open concept" (i.e., great room).  I'm watching these shows and am going, why are they so impressed?  These are basic and minimum requirements for a home!  The fact is, living in OC/Irvine in newer homes, you're already better off than 90% of the rest of the country.  Just be thankful and enjoy your home and stop worrying about how Redfin defines your house.
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Yeah... but their homes are only $100k.

You know how many times I want to slap that young couple with only 1 child that feels that the 4000sft home for $200k might be too small for them?
 
1920's home across the street from me... took a pic just to prove a point...

there are two single family detached homes... without driveways, have to park on the street... those bitches sometimes even uses our condos guest parking... theres no HOA so the owners responsible for everything on the property so they elected to put up a wood fence instead cause its cheap...

if those arent also single family detached homes then what are they? cat got ur tongue?

honestly i can understand why motor court is so angry... i felt the same way about 6-7 years ago about west LA... like "ugh there goes the neighborhood"... but flash forward today and there are pockets of west LA that are maintained really well and fetch a skyrocketing premium while some other pockets have just deteriorated and turned ghetto... its a risk we all take when we chose to put our money in real estate... if ppl werent ok with the risk, then they would rent forever... irvine is no different, nothing remains "the same" as time passes... sometimes like in the case of west LA, ppl get lucky and sometimes ppl dont get lucky, thats why picking and choosing neighborhoods or even pockets within neighborhoods is such a big deal cause we refuse to believe somethings are just beyond our control... for anything, the entire state of california could slide off into the pacific ocean when the next big earthquake hits, now thats when u say "there goes the neighborhood"...
 

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ok i understand why ppl are not understanding... im also at fault too cause i didnt understand PUD's...

"condo" is a type of "housing tenure" or how u hold ownership... it is not a description of what the house actually is... for a list of different types of ways to hold ownership see below...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_tenure

now if u want to talk about the "structure" or single family vs multi family, here are the different types of "multi family" homes... this list does not imply "tenure" and is completely seperate list then that of how ppl hold ownership... notice condo is not listed in this list below and when condos are mentioned it always specifically mentions it in association with some sort of "tenure or ownership" for that type of multi family structure...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-family_dwelling

now if ur retarded like motor court and want to "keep up with the jones" on different types of single family types here are the different types of "single family detached homes" for you to compare away
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_house_types

Now what california acknowledges for its classifications, again, is a whole nother can of worms which this article describes a lot better... therefore those homes on turtle rock/ridge can either be classified as PUDs OR condos... depends on how they wish to hold tenure for the communal properties... or even worse BOTH (have the pool area under condo ownership and have the private roads under PUD ownership)... although im not 100% sure california even recognizes or allow for PUD tenures, so i dont know for sure...
http://www.clta.org/for-consumers/consumer-condominium.html
 
forget it... theres a pdf out there that lists out all the california req guidelines for SFR's and changes to it since 1920's... if u can find it ull see what i am talking about

i dont blame MLS listers/agents for not understanding the differences either... they dont need a architectural degree to get their listing certificate, many of them think condos is a structural description and not ownership description
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Why so much anger? We're just having a discussion here.
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sorry... i was assuming u were gonna pull a motorcourt crap on me... if u want to have a discussion without pulling extreme biases like him, sure, i have the patience for that...
 
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