Home classifications in Irvine/OC

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zovall

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I'm trying to come up with a short, descriptive list for the types of homes I see in Irvine.  The MLS listings usually don't help as it seems like there are only two fields:
- Condo or SFR
- Attached or Detached

Many homes are listed as SFRs but then might actually have a zero-lot or they are detached except for the garage which shares a wall with a neighbor.
What throws you off?  How would you describe the various types?
 
yeah, TIC has screwed things up.  They've tried to "redefine" SFR.  San Mateo, San Marcos are now peddled as "SFR"s even though I wouldn't consider them to be. 
 
i dont think TIC screwed things up per se... its just not what californians are used to, their terminology is common in some areas out in the east coast and in europe...

Single Family includes everything from motorcourts to zero lot lines... garage walls are also considered "exterior" walls code wise so technically, even if another home uses ur exterior garage wall its still a single family semi-detached...

There are two assumptions that ppl like to make when talking about single family homes
1.) single family homes are always detached... most of the time this is a safe assumption since any shared wall internal or external i believe automatically makes the home a single family "semi-detached"
2.) most ppl think "Single Family = driveway+yard+the whole 9 yards"... but this is actually incorrect... Single Family is just a free standing home on any land... a driveway, yard, fence or whatever are addons... think of them as upgrades... think of back in the day when colonial ppl built homes on any parcel of land, theyd call it single family even tho there were no driveways cause cars werent invented yet and there was no need for yards and fences cause the whole community was gated to keep the indians out...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-family_detached_homehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominiums
 
Well... not really... even though TIC is calling them Single Family Homes... SFH... they are technically condos... even though they are detached condos.
 
hahaha thats different... thats california legal classification which opens up a whole can of worms... if we take that into account it screws everything up... legally yeah, the motorcourts/zero-lots/etc are condos for sure if anything is communal... but if those areas were not communal, they would legally be single family homes

if ur not talking "legal" and talking "structure" then TIC is using the terms correctly... my previous post was talking "structure" and disregarding legal... "The term "single family house" describes how a house is built and who lives in it. It does not indicate size, shape, or location. Because they are not surrounded by other buildings, the potential size of a single family house is limited only by the budget of the builder and local law. They can range from a tiny country cottage or cabin or a small suburban prefabricated home to a large mansion or an aristocratic estate or stately home.  A traditional log and plaster hut, a timber frame and drywall North American starter home, or a European style concrete and slate house are all equally varieties of single family detached housing."

if ur talking legal, then TIC is using the terms incorrectly...

zovall, which classification are u asking about? structural? or legal?

actually, thinking about it, TIC should introduce legal co-ops... those legal structures excel at keeping flim flam out

 
I'm looking for a classification that just makes sense to someone who is looking to buy a home.  IHO coined 3CWG to describe a garage style that he prefers (I do too FWIW).  Before I saw that term, I would have called it a 'regular' 3 car garage as compared to the 'compromised' 3 car garages that are built nowadays.  Regular/Compromised aren't exactly very descriptive or specific.  IHO and TMCC then took it to another level.

When I think of a 'regular' home, I imagine one that is detached, has a driveway, and is not a zero-lot.  That's the type of home that I grew up in the Bay Area and after living in Irvine for the last 13 years, I'm still amazed at how many homes (even older ones from the 1960s and 1970s) are 'compromised'.  In my mind Detached + Driveway > Zero-Lot Detached + Driveway > Zero-Lot Detached No Driveway
I'm wondering if others have similar preferences and if there is a descriptive scheme (above is just an idea - maybe Driveway doesn't matter?) that we can come up like IHO and TMCC did for the garages.
 
Condo is condo, no need to sugar coat it as single family homes. Take the facts that San Remo is condo and it is selling much slower than Stonegate detached condos (i.e. not a lot of people want to buy over-priced large detached Condos with lousy amenities high HOAs/Mello-roos and super close to one of the busiest freeways in the nation).

TIC is un-American though. when they take away the driveway, it discourages using the garage for things such as car repair, starting a band, or a business. For new community CC&Rs ban RVs any where on the street - direct results of parking easement they shove into city council's rear end.
 
The Motor Court Company said:
Condo is condo, no need to sugar coat it as single family homes. Take the facts that San Remo is condo and it is selling much slower than Stonegate detached condos (i.e. not a lot of people want to buy over-priced large detached Condos with lousy amenities high HOAs/Mello-roos and super close to one of the busiest freeways in the nation).

TIC is un-American though. when they take away the driveway, it discourages using the garage for things such as car repair, starting a band, or a business. For new community CC&Rs ban RVs any where on the street - direct results of parking easement they shove into city council's rear end.
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i dunno... i go with condos meaning i own and am responsible for everything "paint-in"... single family means i own and am responsible for everything "wall-in"...

lol how come every post u spin back to laguna vs stonegate?  u need to chill with the bitterness, constant comparisons, n the whole keeping up with the jones vibe that shows through ur posts... im not sure if TIC or irvine dicked you over and caused you to be this way or what... but if i was in ur shoes id definitely take a step back and figure out exactly what is making you so unhappy... if its ur habit of constant comparing, then stop urself half way through ur train of thought... if its negative thoughts, then same thing... if its financial, and you feel irvine standard of living is too high, then move somewhere ull have more financial freedom... if ur stuck here so u can send ur kids to a good school, then acknowledge that as ur highest "priority" n disregard all the other minor nuances irvine brings... ull be a much happier man/women
 
I am not the one who is trying to justify how TIC is abusing the term SFR or trying to pump up sales for a slow selling neighborhood

world chaos said:
The Motor Court Company said:
Condo is condo, no need to sugar coat it as single family homes. Take the facts that San Remo is condo and it is selling much slower than Stonegate detached condos (i.e. not a lot of people want to buy over-priced large detached Condos with lousy amenities high HOAs/Mello-roos and super close to one of the busiest freeways in the nation).

TIC is un-American though. when they take away the driveway, it discourages using the garage for things such as car repair, starting a band, or a business. For new community CC&Rs ban RVs any where on the street - direct results of parking easement they shove into city council's rear end.
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look ur full of shit, im not sugar coating it... this is because the ppl that architects come up structural classifications usually dont have law degrees that come up with legal classifications... same with lawyers/politicians not having architectural degrees...

why are co-ops in manhattan called co-ops? they are condos no? its a legal classification

lol ur so bitter its kind of sad... just be happy, the minute u start accepting that everybody is just middle class and stop comparing is an extra minute of joy u wont regret...
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im just saying what constitutes single family from my experiences around the world... america is unique where a driveway is assumed and i recognize that, thats all... just like how we like to use inches while the rest of the world uses the metric system...

TIC abuses it, so what? does KB, william lyons, new home not abuse it as well? i just always thought they went by the structural definition and ive had no problems with it...

im not trying to pump up sales for laguna... i cant stand buyers who are doing FHA or sqeaking by to pay for their mortgages... i welcome the HOA/Mello because it sidesteps californias prop 13... if someone can afford it, then they can afford it... all these additional minor costs SHOULD be pocket change... anybody in between, id highly suggest they buy somewhere else instead... just gonna become house poor, unhappy, and indenture ur life away... thats just evil and crazy to knowingly recommend that to someone
 
that does not justify we have to to accept anything less because the rest of the world is doing things different. Should TIC build more attached apartment like homes because that's what middle class Asians are buying in urban areas in their native country?

Speaking accepting lower standards, unfortunately there is a unspoken industry secret: companies are selling inferior goods in China as long as they are good enough and cheap enough. Same goods will be rejected in advanced countries.

TIC is playing their cards beautifully.  They understand their target buyers are likely to accept lower standards in exchange for living in a perceived safe city and "good schools".

Essentially we are allowing TIC to un-Americanize Irvine. That's something foreigners would not understand.

world chaos said:
im just saying what constitutes single family from my experiences around the world... america is unique where a driveway is assumed and i recognize that, thats all... just like how we like to use inches while the rest of the world uses the metric system...
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The Motor Court Company said:
that does not justify we have to to accept anything less because the rest of the world is doing things different. Should TIC build more attached apartment like homes because that's what middle class Asians are buying in urban areas in their native country?

Speaking accepting lower standards, unfortunately there is a unspoken industry secret: companies are selling inferior goods in China as long as they are good enough and cheap enough. Same goods will be rejected in advanced countries.

TIC is playing their cards beautifully.  They understand their target buyers are likely to accept lower standards in exchange for a perceived safe city and "good schools".

world chaos said:
im just saying what constitutes single family from my experiences around the world... america is unique where a driveway is assumed and i recognize that, thats all... just like how we like to use inches while the rest of the world uses the metric system...
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ur naive to believe builders will continue to sell superior 3 car garage single family units if given a choice to develop organically... just look at los angeles where they are constantly trying to squeeze more and more units together... ive seen this happen in way too many cities... in irvine its just gonna get worse... if irvine pacific had a choice, i think they would just screw it and start making all townhomes cause they get more money for the given land but they have that master community plan that the gov has to sign off on

irvine is los angeles back in the 1940's with single family detached with driveways stretching from downtown to hollywood... is that like that now?... 50 years from now if irvine continues to grow as fast as it is now, we'll turn into something similar too or like how newport coast is packing in townhomes n motorcourts too...
 
It is equally naive to think TIC does not have any influence of the city council. In fact the amenities are dramatically reduced in both SG and LA from the original plans, LA being far worse and the modified plans pass city council easily. TIC's master plan is more about their $$$ than the well being of Irvine residents.

TIC cannot immediately jump to attached town homes being the standard without moving through detached motorcourt homes. As long as we have significant amount of native buyers here, that will not happen right away.

world chaos said:
ur naive to believe builders will continue to sell superior 3 car garage single family units if given a choice to develop organically... just look at los angeles where they are constantly trying to squeeze more and more units together... ive seen this happen in way too many cities... in irvine its just gonna get worse... if irvine pacific had a choice, i think they would just screw it and start making all townhomes cause they get more money for the given land but they have that master community plan that the gov has to sign off on
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The Motor Court Company said:
It is equally naive to think TIC does not have any influence of the city council. In fact the amenities are dramatically reduced in both SG and LA from the original plans, LA being far worse and the modified plans pass city council easily. TIC's master plan is more about their $$$ than the well being of Irvine residents.

world chaos said:
The Motor Court Company said:
that does not justify we have to to accept anything less because the rest of the world is doing things different. Should TIC build more attached apartment like homes because that's what middle class Asians are buying in urban areas in their native country?

Speaking accepting lower standards, unfortunately there is a unspoken industry secret: companies are selling inferior goods in China as long as they are good enough and cheap enough. Same goods will be rejected in advanced countries.

TIC is playing their cards beautifully.  They understand their target buyers are likely to accept lower standards in exchange for a perceived safe city and "good schools".

world chaos said:
im just saying what constitutes single family from my experiences around the world... america is unique where a driveway is assumed and i recognize that, thats all... just like how we like to use inches while the rest of the world uses the metric system...
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ur naive to believe builders will continue to sell superior 3 car garage single family units if given a choice to develop organically... just look at los angeles where they are constantly trying to squeeze more and more units together... ive seen this happen in way too many cities... in irvine its just gonna get worse... if irvine pacific had a choice, i think they would just screw it and start making all townhomes cause they get more money for the given land but they have that master community plan that the gov has to sign off on
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ive seen the original plans... and i know TIC has tremendous influence... but i have the same complaint as you, i dont like how TIC does it... but i acknowledge its a love hate relationship, unlike u where its just hate... santa ana doesnt have TIC and look how that turned out :-\
 
forget it... responding to u is getting no where...

u spew the same venom over and over again and complain all day...

no one forced u to buy in stonegate, u can get such a better deal in yorba linda or brea... like ur almost here to justify ur own poor purchase choice... ur a sucker for buying in irvine just like the rest of us... a little less of a sucker then someone buying in portola springs, but a sucker nonetheless...

im probably younger then u... but honestly... grow the fuck up

life is tough and then you die... Nietzsche
 
as many long term Irvine residents will tell you, Irvine is going down hill with the development of high density apartments and motor court homes. TIC might have done a perfect job in 90's and prior (such that Irvine stands out above neighboring cities), but today they are taking away what used to make Irvine great. 
 
The Motor Court Company said:
as many long term Irvine residents will tell you, Irvine is going down hill with the development of high density apartments and motor court homes. TIC might have done a perfect job in 90's and prior (such that Irvine stands out above neighboring cities), but today they are taking away what used to make Irvine great.
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its developing... its bound to happen if a city is great... ppl get pushed out of areas they used to love every day... my family used to live in santa monica, we got pushed out cause it just got too expensive... its life man... not only that, pockets of ghetto began to form there too.... time changes things, and you either move with it or you get left behind...
 
I am sorry I am not Chinese so I do not welcome lower standards.

world chaos said:
forget it... responding to u is getting no where...

u spew the same venom over and over again and complain all day...

no one forced u to buy in stonegate, u can get such a better deal in yorba linda or brea... like ur almost here to justify ur own poor purchase choice... ur a sucker for buying in irvine just like the rest of us... a little less of a sucker then someone buying in portola springs, but a sucker nonetheless...

im probably younger then u... but honestly... grow the fuck up

life is tough and then you die... Nietzsche
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