Fresco @ Eastwood Village

[Danimal]

Stopped by the Fresco model homes today for upgrade ideas. I talked to a sale rep about release and appliances. Good news and bad news.

Good news: 80% they will substitute Wolf appliances instead of KA because of supply issues.  Nothing sets in stone yet.  They will send out letters if it?s official.

Here is the bad news: next phrase pricing is out and will be emailed next week. Base price will be increased 50-100k depend on the model. IP will also release the semi phrase (3 homes at a time) instead of full phrase due to labor shortage.

Bluffs sales lady showed us the Wolf models to be swapped to, so I think it's pretty much already decided. For Bluffs, it would be starting from phase 22. We're phase 25, so we should be getting the change.

She also said that next phase, Bluffs 2 base price would increase $35k. It increased $35k from phase 24 to 25, then $20k from 25 to 26, and next one is $35k.

I wouldn?t believe it when i see the email. KA is fine but Wolf would go well with my Sub-zero fridge.  What?s interesting is that they can get Wolf appliances but not KA since my fridge is going to take at least 6 months for delivery.

If you get Wolf (which I think future phases will), consider yourself lucky. Current phase people at Fresco are getting LG signature for Range Top, mismatched with other appliances. Everything blamed on supply chain but not fair for buyers.

IP rep told me that they only give you lg brand or whirlpool temporarily. Once they have the right brand available, they will replace it unless you say otherwise. You get to keep the old appliances or they stove away for you

 

[Irvinehomeseeker]

Stopped by the Fresco model homes today for upgrade ideas. I talked to a sale rep about release and appliances. Good news and bad news.

Good news: 80% they will substitute Wolf appliances instead of KA because of supply issues.  Nothing sets in stone yet.  They will send out letters if it?s official.

Here is the bad news: next phrase pricing is out and will be emailed next week. Base price will be increased 50-100k depend on the model. IP will also release the semi phrase (3 homes at a time) instead of full phrase due to labor shortage.

Bluffs sales lady showed us the Wolf models to be swapped to, so I think it's pretty much already decided. For Bluffs, it would be starting from phase 22. We're phase 25, so we should be getting the change.

She also said that next phase, Bluffs 2 base price would increase $35k. It increased $35k from phase 24 to 25, then $20k from 25 to 26, and next one is $35k.

I wouldn?t believe it when i see the email. KA is fine but Wolf would go well with my Sub-zero fridge.  What?s interesting is that they can get Wolf appliances but not KA since my fridge is going to take at least 6 months for delivery.

If you get Wolf (which I think future phases will), consider yourself lucky. Current phase people at Fresco are getting LG signature for Range Top, mismatched with other appliances. Everything blamed on supply chain but not fair for buyers.

IP rep told me that they only give you lg brand or whirlpool temporarily. Once they have the right brand available, they will replace it unless you say otherwise. You get to keep the old appliances or they stove away for you

Nope, we were specifically told LG would be permanent. We are not happy about it and made it known. Hoping to hear back from IP on this.

 

[Ready2Downsize]

I wouldn?t believe it when i see the email. KA is fine but Wolf would go well with my Sub-zero fridge.  What?s interesting is that they can get Wolf appliances but not KA since my fridge is going to take at least 6 months for delivery.

Bluffs sales lady is very cautious about telling/showing buyers things like this unless she's sure. That is why when we previously asked her about our position, our chance to be able to buy a home, etc., she told us that she couldn't give us an answer because it would be misleading and potentially disappointing. So when she told us last Sunday that they'd switch to Wolf, I believe her. And yes, we really wanted the Wolf appliances to go with our Sub-Zero fridge. My SZ fridge is taking 8 months. 

I think the delivery time for the fridge is probably because it's built-in. I don't know. I mean, KA doesn't even have it built-in fridges available on their website. And Jenn-Air only has one model available.

Wolf is made by SubZero. I've always thought Wolf were superior to KA/Whirlpool etc.

What realtor puts in their listings KitchenAid Appliances!!!!! LOL! But you bet if there are Wolf appliances they will make sure to mention it in the listing.

 

[Danimal]

Stopped by the Fresco model homes today for upgrade ideas. I talked to a sale rep about release and appliances. Good news and bad news.

Good news: 80% they will substitute Wolf appliances instead of KA because of supply issues.  Nothing sets in stone yet.  They will send out letters if it?s official.

Here is the bad news: next phrase pricing is out and will be emailed next week. Base price will be increased 50-100k depend on the model. IP will also release the semi phrase (3 homes at a time) instead of full phrase due to labor shortage.

Bluffs sales lady showed us the Wolf models to be swapped to, so I think it's pretty much already decided. For Bluffs, it would be starting from phase 22. We're phase 25, so we should be getting the change.

She also said that next phase, Bluffs 2 base price would increase $35k. It increased $35k from phase 24 to 25, then $20k from 25 to 26, and next one is $35k.

I wouldn?t believe it when i see the email. KA is fine but Wolf would go well with my Sub-zero fridge.  What?s interesting is that they can get Wolf appliances but not KA since my fridge is going to take at least 6 months for delivery.

If you get Wolf (which I think future phases will), consider yourself lucky. Current phase people at Fresco are getting LG signature for Range Top, mismatched with other appliances. Everything blamed on supply chain but not fair for buyers.

IP rep told me that they only give you lg brand or whirlpool temporarily. Once they have the right brand available, they will replace it unless you say otherwise. You get to keep the old appliances or they stove away for you

Nope, we were specifically told LG would be permanent. We are not happy about it and made it known. Hoping to hear back from IP on this.

You should ask them to give you the right brand on the contract. Or at least give you refund on the price difference.  The agreement is KA unless both party agree with different brand.

 

[Irvinehomeseeker]

Stopped by the Fresco model homes today for upgrade ideas. I talked to a sale rep about release and appliances. Good news and bad news.

Good news: 80% they will substitute Wolf appliances instead of KA because of supply issues.  Nothing sets in stone yet.  They will send out letters if it?s official.

Here is the bad news: next phrase pricing is out and will be emailed next week. Base price will be increased 50-100k depend on the model. IP will also release the semi phrase (3 homes at a time) instead of full phrase due to labor shortage.

Bluffs sales lady showed us the Wolf models to be swapped to, so I think it's pretty much already decided. For Bluffs, it would be starting from phase 22. We're phase 25, so we should be getting the change.

She also said that next phase, Bluffs 2 base price would increase $35k. It increased $35k from phase 24 to 25, then $20k from 25 to 26, and next one is $35k.

I wouldn?t believe it when i see the email. KA is fine but Wolf would go well with my Sub-zero fridge.  What?s interesting is that they can get Wolf appliances but not KA since my fridge is going to take at least 6 months for delivery.

If you get Wolf (which I think future phases will), consider yourself lucky. Current phase people at Fresco are getting LG signature for Range Top, mismatched with other appliances. Everything blamed on supply chain but not fair for buyers.

IP rep told me that they only give you lg brand or whirlpool temporarily. Once they have the right brand available, they will replace it unless you say otherwise. You get to keep the old appliances or they stove away for you

Nope, we were specifically told LG would be permanent. We are not happy about it and made it known. Hoping to hear back from IP on this.

You should ask them to give you the right brand on the contract. Or at least give you refund on the price difference.  The agreement is KA unless both party agree with different brand.

I have asked. I have to see what the contract says...most likely in favor of the builder. They can easily claim LG is more expensive than KA, and not give us a dime! The mismatched brands is something I don?t like. Can't  do much I guess with Seller having leverage in this  market.

 

[CalBears96]

I have asked. I have to see what the contract says...most likely in favor of the builder. They can easily claim LG is more expensive than KA, and not give us a dime! The mismatched brands is something I don?t like. Can't  do much I guess with Seller having leverage in this  market.

When we signed our reservation, she told us that they were moving from KA due to supply chain issue and that they will replace with a brand on par or better KA. LG is arguably better than KA. We thought it might be Jenn-Air, but were praying for Wolf. At least, we got what we wanted.  ;D

She did say that some homes did have temporary appliances, though.

 

[Ready2Downsize]

I have asked. I have to see what the contract says...most likely in favor of the builder. They can easily claim LG is more expensive than KA, and not give us a dime! The mismatched brands is something I don?t like. Can't  do much I guess with Seller having leverage in this  market.

When we signed our reservation, she told us that they were moving from KA due to supply chain issue and that they will replace with a brand on par or better KA. LG is arguably better than KA. We thought it might be Jenn-Air, but were praying for Wolf. At least, we got what we wanted.  ;D

She did say that some homes did have temporary appliances, though.

Whirlpool makes both JennAir and Kitchenaid.

 

[box]

How'd you all decide which Sub-Zero built-in fridge to get?

French door w/ freezer at bottom vs side-by-side vs the over-and-under (single fridge door)?

From what I can tell, the side-by-side gets you way more freezer space at the expense of less fridge space.

The over-and-under gets you the most overall space, with the negative that the big single door is only accessible from one side, and blocks the walkway when open.

I read in another thread that someone suggested not to get the version that has the in-door water dispenser or ice maker (because it takes up too much space), is that the conventional wisdom?

Do the $10K+ prices on these fridges include installation?

 

[CalBears96]

How'd you all decide which Sub-Zero built-in fridge to get?

French door w/ freezer at bottom vs side-by-side vs the over-and-under (single fridge door)?

From what I can tell, the side-by-side gets you way more freezer space at the expense of less fridge space.

The over-and-under gets you the most overall space, with the negative that the big single door is only accessible from one side, and blocks the walkway when open.

I read in another thread that someone suggested not to get the version that has the in-door water dispenser or ice maker (because it takes up too much space), is that the conventional wisdom?

Do the $10K+ prices on these fridges include installation?

It is personal preference. My wife chose side-by-side because she thinks it looks the best. I believe 2 out of 3 Ravello model homes use it. And you are correct that side-by-side sacrifices fridge space for more freezer space. Ideally, you would want more fridge space.

The over-and-under does give you more fridge space and more total space. However, we don't like the freezer space. It's like a huge basket. We like the arrangement of the side-by-side freezer.

The built-in refrigerators is already smaller than the normal refrigerators due to less depth, so having the in-door water dispenser would indeed take up too much space. But I believe they still come with the ice maker, though.

I was a bit too hasty when I bought mine (after hearing that it would take 8 months), so I didn't shop around and bought at Renwes, thinking they would do free delivery and installation since they're close by. So I will end up paying $350 for delivery, installation and haul away. Someone mentioned getting 10% credit from Pacific Sales. I should have negotiated the free installation, at least. Oh well.

 

[akkord]

How'd you all decide which Sub-Zero built-in fridge to get?

French door w/ freezer at bottom vs side-by-side vs the over-and-under (single fridge door)?

From what I can tell, the side-by-side gets you way more freezer space at the expense of less fridge space.

The over-and-under gets you the most overall space, with the negative that the big single door is only accessible from one side, and blocks the walkway when open.

I read in another thread that someone suggested not to get the version that has the in-door water dispenser or ice maker (because it takes up too much space), is that the conventional wisdom?

Do the $10K+ prices on these fridges include installation?

It is personal preference. My wife chose side-by-side because she thinks it looks the best. I believe 2 out of 3 Ravello model homes use it. And you are correct that side-by-side sacrifices fridge space for more freezer space. Ideally, you would want more fridge space.

The over-and-under does give you more fridge space and more total space. However, we don't like the freezer space. It's like a huge basket. We like the arrangement of the side-by-side freezer.

The built-in refrigerators is already smaller than the normal refrigerators due to less depth, so having the in-door water dispenser would indeed take up too much space. But I believe they still come with the ice maker, though.

I was a bit too hasty when I bought mine (after hearing that it would take 8 months), so I didn't shop around and bought at Renwes, thinking they would do free delivery and installation since they're close by. So I will end up paying $350 for delivery, installation and haul away. Someone mentioned getting 10% credit from Pacific Sales. I should have negotiated the free installation, at least. Oh well.

I'm pretty sure most people have a garage fridge and/or freezer.  I have a neighbor who has 2 garage fridges.  Get the nicer looking one for inside and store more in the garage from the costco trips.  ;D

 

[Danimal]

How'd you all decide which Sub-Zero built-in fridge to get?

French door w/ freezer at bottom vs side-by-side vs the over-and-under (single fridge door)?

From what I can tell, the side-by-side gets you way more freezer space at the expense of less fridge space.

The over-and-under gets you the most overall space, with the negative that the big single door is only accessible from one side, and blocks the walkway when open.

I read in another thread that someone suggested not to get the version that has the in-door water dispenser or ice maker (because it takes up too much space), is that the conventional wisdom?

Do the $10K+ prices on these fridges include installation?

It is personal preference. My wife chose side-by-side because she thinks it looks the best. I believe 2 out of 3 Ravello model homes use it. And you are correct that side-by-side sacrifices fridge space for more freezer space. Ideally, you would want more fridge space.

The over-and-under does give you more fridge space and more total space. However, we don't like the freezer space. It's like a huge basket. We like the arrangement of the side-by-side freezer.

The built-in refrigerators is already smaller than the normal refrigerators due to less depth, so having the in-door water dispenser would indeed take up too much space. But I believe they still come with the ice maker, though.

I was a bit too hasty when I bought mine (after hearing that it would take 8 months), so I didn't shop around and bought at Renwes, thinking they would do free delivery and installation since they're close by. So I will end up paying $350 for delivery, installation and haul away. Someone mentioned getting 10% credit from Pacific Sales. I should have negotiated the free installation, at least. Oh well.

I'm pretty sure most people have a garage fridge and/or freezer.  I have a neighbor who has 2 garage fridges.  Get the nicer looking one for inside and store more in the garage from the costco trips.  ;D

Mine is SZ French Door w/o water dispenser.

I plan to bring my freezer and current fridge to the new house in the garage so storage space shouldnt be a problem.

 

[akkord]

I want an upright freezer too, but will wait awhile since prices are high and not many deals to be had. 

Also make sure they run the water line from the sink area for the fridge since that's where your RO will be at some point, then you get RO water/ice to your fridge too.  Get a bypass filter for the fridge and the pressure should be fine.  This should be standard, but I've seen some homes where the line to the fridge is separate from the sink waterline. 

 

[Danimal]

I want an upright freezer too, but will wait awhile since prices are high and not many deals to be had. 

Also make sure they run the water line from the sink area for the fridge since that's where your RO will be at some point, then you get RO water/ice to your fridge too.  Get a bypass filter for the fridge and the pressure should be fine.  This should be standard, but I've seen some homes where the line to the fridge is separate from the sink waterline.

For Fresco Model 3, sink is pretty far from the fridge. Fridge location has its own water line and outlet. I actually paid $900 to have water line and outlet in the location for a specific fridge model.

I also got the RO and water softener options so there wont be any drilling on kitchen countertop or pipe cutting after COE.

 

[box]

I want an upright freezer too, but will wait awhile since prices are high and not many deals to be had. 

Also make sure they run the water line from the sink area for the fridge since that's where your RO will be at some point, then you get RO water/ice to your fridge too.  Get a bypass filter for the fridge and the pressure should be fine.  This should be standard, but I've seen some homes where the line to the fridge is separate from the sink waterline.

For Fresco Model 3, sink is pretty far from the fridge. Fridge location has its own water line and outlet. I actually paid $900 to have water line and outlet in the location for a specific fridge model.

I also got the RO and water softener options so there wont be any drilling on kitchen countertop or pipe cutting after COE.

I don't quite understand why they had to charge an extra $900 to locate a water line and outlet for a built-in fridge and provide the specific fridge model.

Don't regular fridges also need a water line and outlet behind the fridge? Is the power cable of a built-in fridge so short that the outlet has to be in a very specific location? 

 

[Ready2Downsize]

Yes, everything has to be in a very specific spot and it varies by model. The kitchen cabinets are also not the same configuration if you are installing a built in fridge.

 

[Danimal]

I want an upright freezer too, but will wait awhile since prices are high and not many deals to be had. 

Also make sure they run the water line from the sink area for the fridge since that's where your RO will be at some point, then you get RO water/ice to your fridge too.  Get a bypass filter for the fridge and the pressure should be fine.  This should be standard, but I've seen some homes where the line to the fridge is separate from the sink waterline.

For Fresco Model 3, sink is pretty far from the fridge. Fridge location has its own water line and outlet. I actually paid $900 to have water line and outlet in the location for a specific fridge model.

I also got the RO and water softener options so there wont be any drilling on kitchen countertop or pipe cutting after COE.

I don't quite understand why they had to charge an extra $900 to locate a water line and outlet for a built-in fridge and provide the specific fridge model.

Don't regular fridges also need a water line and outlet behind the fridge? Is the power cable of a built-in fridge so short that the outlet has to be in a very specific location? 

Since there is only 25? depth for built-in fridge, lines have to be in exact locations. There is not a whole lot of room to play around.

w/o this option, builder puts both lines in standard location.

 

[CalBears96]

I'm pretty sure most people have a garage fridge and/or freezer.  I have a neighbor who has 2 garage fridges.  Get the nicer looking one for inside and store more in the garage from the costco trips.  ;D

I told my wife that we could keep our old fridge as the garage fridge, but she refused. She said that she would just control her buying from the Costco trips.  ;D

Since we bought Bluffs 2, which doesn't have a driveway, so we have to park both cars in the garage, leaving no space for a garage fridge anyway. 

 

[CalBears96]

I want an upright freezer too, but will wait awhile since prices are high and not many deals to be had. 

Also make sure they run the water line from the sink area for the fridge since that's where your RO will be at some point, then you get RO water/ice to your fridge too.  Get a bypass filter for the fridge and the pressure should be fine.  This should be standard, but I've seen some homes where the line to the fridge is separate from the sink waterline.

For Fresco Model 3, sink is pretty far from the fridge. Fridge location has its own water line and outlet. I actually paid $900 to have water line and outlet in the location for a specific fridge model.

I also got the RO and water softener options so there wont be any drilling on kitchen countertop or pipe cutting after COE.

We also went with the RO and water softener options since it costs about the same as the EcoWater system that we got for our current home, for the exact same reason. Don't want to deal with drilling on the beautiful kitchen countertop after COE.

I'll make sure to ask whether or not they can run the water line from sink area to the fridge so that I could get filtered water for the fridge.

 

[trematix]

We preferred our own vendor for the Water Softener and RO. We just asked them to drill an extra hole near the sink. They charged us for it but they would do it.

I want an upright freezer too, but will wait awhile since prices are high and not many deals to be had. 

Also make sure they run the water line from the sink area for the fridge since that's where your RO will be at some point, then you get RO water/ice to your fridge too.  Get a bypass filter for the fridge and the pressure should be fine.  This should be standard, but I've seen some homes where the line to the fridge is separate from the sink waterline.

For Fresco Model 3, sink is pretty far from the fridge. Fridge location has its own water line and outlet. I actually paid $900 to have water line and outlet in the location for a specific fridge model.

I also got the RO and water softener options so there wont be any drilling on kitchen countertop or pipe cutting after COE.

We also went with the RO and water softener options since it costs about the same as the EcoWater system that we got for our current home, for the exact same reason. Don't want to deal with drilling on the beautiful kitchen countertop after COE.

I'll make sure to ask whether or not they can run the water line from sink area to the fridge so that I could get filtered water for the fridge.

 

[CalBears96]

We preferred our own vendor for the Water Softener and RO. We just asked them to drill an extra hole near the sink. They charged us for it but they would do it.

We asked our design consultant if they could drill an extra hole near the sink and he said they wouldn't do it, so we just went with them. It's no big deal since it costs about the same.