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[socal78]

IIRC you only burn calories if you have body weight that is not pure fat. The more muscle / bones you have the more calories you burn. Putting on pure fat doesn't help.

The heavier you are, the more calories the body burns, period. It is a chore lugging around that much weight. You can raise your metabolic rate by adding muscle, sure. But morbidly obese people burn an incredible amount of calories per day. It takes thousands of calories per day in food just to maintain that weight.

An example is when 600 lb. gastric bypass patients lost 50 lbs. in the first 30 days when on a 1,000 cal/day hospital diet.

600 lbs. @ 12 cal/lb. = 7,200 burned daily
7,200 - 1,000 diet = 6,200 cal deficit/day.
6,200 x30 days in a month= 186,000 cals or... in English... that's 53 lbs.

I can do a perfect trajectory of what my weight will be a week, a month, six months from now based on the formula and have it meet that each time. I've lost 30 lbs. counting this way. As the body weight decreases, the deficit closes in, so adjustments have to be made with consuming fewer calories or more exercise to maintain as big of a deficit. And yes, it's possible to raise the metabolic rate with exercise.

(I do NOT weight 600 lbs., by the way. It was just an example. I'm a fan of the show "My 600 lb. Life" on TLC.)

 

[qwerty]

I used to weigh 122 lbs with a 26 inch waist as a senior in high school. What happened?  :'(

if i had no fat on me i would weigh about 185. i used to weigh 205-215 with a 32 inch waist.
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i probably havent been 122 since the 8-10 age range. just kidding, not sure what i weighed then but damn 122 is thin.

 

[nosuchreality]

I think survival physiology comes into play.  Every body is different, but you can't shock your body into weight loss.  In fact, I suspect if you suddenly massively cut back calories, it actually backfires and triggers 'starvation mode' metabolism changes.   

People in fat camps or biggest loser may drastically cut calories but due to dietary changes still eat 'a lot'.  The regular world dieters tend to cut food intake when they cut food calories.  FC and BL both counter the metabolism slowdown with a massive energy output increase.  Only sustainable if that's your new job.

You need to fuel your lean body mass and add a slight energy output increase and the weight melts off (1-2 pounds a week). 

For most typically framed guys, a minimum of around 2000 will do it, less than that and you are actually probably being counter productive.

 

[irvinehusky]

So the more I lose weight, the harder it will get to keep losing weight?

By the way, someone in a thread above assumed I was 200 lbs.  :'( Fortunately, I haven't gotten to the big "200" club yet.    I DO NOT want to get there but it's on the horizon.  Don't mean to say 200 is obese or anything but I'm not a tall person so it would be too much on me.

IIRC you only burn calories if you have body weight that is not pure fat. The more muscle / bones you have the more calories you burn. Putting on pure fat doesn't help.

The heavier you are, the more calories the body burns, period. It is a chore lugging around that much weight. You can raise your metabolic rate by adding muscle, sure. But morbidly obese people burn an incredible amount of calories per day. It takes thousands of calories per day in food just to maintain that weight.

An example is when 600 lb. gastric bypass patients lost 50 lbs. in the first 30 days when on a 1,000 cal/day hospital diet.

600 lbs. @ 12 cal/lb. = 7,200 burned daily
7,200 - 1,000 diet = 6,200 cal deficit/day.
6,200 x30 days in a month= 186,000 cals or... in English... that's 53 lbs.

I can do a perfect trajectory of what my weight will be a week, a month, six months from now based on the formula and have it meet that each time. I've lost 30 lbs. counting this way. As the body weight decreases, the deficit closes in, so adjustments have to be made with consuming fewer calories or more exercise to maintain as big of a deficit. And yes, it's possible to raise the metabolic rate with exercise.

(I do NOT weight 600 lbs., by the way. It was just an example.)

 

[nosuchreality]

Yes, that's right.  The closer you get to your goal, the slower it will go as it will all be from net 'extra effort'.

Weight isn't obese, fat is obese.  225 lbs may be the guy on the left or the guy on the right, or in the middle.

 

[socal78]

So the more I lose weight, the harder it will get to keep losing weight?

You got it, YES. The alternative is decreasing consumption and/or increasing exercise to keep that deficit larger. Otherwise, the closer you get to goal, the more your rate will slow down. But if you're making progress, that's okay! You'll be happy.

I look at it as a game. Try to fit what you want into your budget and still come out ahead of the game. It's like playing Tetris or Dr. Mario.  It can be fun.

 

[homer_simpson]

IHO is right in that 8% category

 

[nosuchreality]

So the more I lose weight, the harder it will get to keep losing weight?

You got it, YES. The alternative is decreasing consumption and/or increasing exercise to keep that deficit larger. Otherwise, the closer you get to goal, the more your rate will slow down. But if you're making progress, that's okay! You'll be happy.

I look at it as a game. Try to fit what you want into your budget and still come out ahead of the game. It's like playing Tetris or Dr. Mario.  It can be fun.

It should also be easier.  Not easier to lose one more pound, but easier doing what you want to do and general activities.

 

[nosuchreality]

IHO is right in that 8% category

Well, I'm targeting the guy in the middle.

 

[irvinehusky]

I like the visuals.    I'm probably like the guy second from the left or third from the left at best. 

Hope to get to the guy in the middle or the guy to the right of center. LOL.

IHO is right in that 8% category

 

[irvinehusky]

True.  If I kept my weight but I became all muscle (LOL) and I could once again fit into my pants (or the ones in the closet that I haven't worn for 25 years) without taking a DEEP breath, I would be happy. 

I still have my old high school suit and I tried it for laughs once and it didn't even make it up my legs. LOL.

Yes, that's right.  The closer you get to your goal, the slower it will go as it will all be from net 'extra effort'.

Weight isn't obese, fat is obese.  225 lbs may be the guy on the left or the guy on the right, or in the middle.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

IHO is right in that 38% category

Typo on your iPhone.

 

[irvinehusky]

Do you have any good apps in mind, if you don't mind sharing?  Thank you very much for your help!

20 lbs. = 70,000 calories. Get a calorie counter app on your phone & start plugging away. Imo, it is absolutely critical in order to stay on track.

 

[homer_simpson]

Do you have any good apps in mind, if you don't mind sharing?  Thank you very much for your help!

20 lbs. = 70,000 calories. Get a calorie counter app on your phone & start plugging away. Imo, it is absolutely critical in order to stay on track.

Myfitnesspal is what I use and its free.  When you create an account, whatever you change on your phone will reflect onto the website as well. 

 

[socal78]

Do you have any good apps in mind, if you don't mind sharing?  Thank you very much for your help!

20 lbs. = 70,000 calories. Get a calorie counter app on your phone & start plugging away. Imo, it is absolutely critical in order to stay on track.

Sure. I use "FatSecret". It can be fully synced with their website, Facebook app, IGoogle gadget, etc. I just use the phone app portion. I recommend any program where you can use your phone to scan barcodes from food packages. That is the coolest feature. FatSecret has a huge database to draw from. It also has a weight tracker, exercise diary, food diary, recipes, and so on.

 

[Coleman]

Well being that I used to be 226lbs and am now hovering around 171-174 I should have  a lot to offer.

However, my body fat hasn't decreased that much with the 50lbs decrease.  I did get a lot weaker though, haha! 


Eat less, exercise more.  When you eat meals, realize that you don't need to eat until you feel full.

 

[qwerty]

  When you eat meals, realize that you don't need to eat until you feel full.

yeah that took me a week or two to get used to. after that though, i really liked the feeling of never being full and tired from a meal.

 

[irvinehusky]

Congrats.  That's a lot of weight lost.

I'm sure the second helpings of whatever, including rice, probably is by habit.  I need to stop that. 

Well being that I used to be 226lbs and am now hovering around 171-174 I should have  a lot to offer.

However, my body fat hasn't decreased that much with the 50lbs decrease.  I did get a lot weaker though, haha! 


Eat less, exercise more.  When you eat meals, realize that you don't need to eat until you feel full.

 

[irvinehusky]

I downloaded MyFitnessPal and punched in my specs. and it says my goal for the day is 1570 calories.  Isn't that a starvation goal?  :'(  Just from breakfast, it way over a third of my daily consumption. 

I also tried to download the one SoCal mentioned but it said I need IOS 7, which I've been having issues upgrading to, so I couldn't download that one yet.

Do you have any good apps in mind, if you don't mind sharing?  Thank you very much for your help!

20 lbs. = 70,000 calories. Get a calorie counter app on your phone & start plugging away. Imo, it is absolutely critical in order to stay on track.

Myfitnesspal is what I use and its free.  When you create an account, whatever you change on your phone will reflect onto the website as well.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

So if you're successful, would you have to change your screenname to IrvineNotSoHusky?

- bigbacteriairvinehomeowner