Experts admit global warming predictions wrong

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Water vapor is THE dominant greenhouse gas. Not carbon dioxide.  Water vapor.
Water vapor makes up ~15,000 ppmv of the atmosphere versus ~410 ppmv for CO2.
Water vapor is far more efficient at absorbing infrared radiation than carbon dioxide.
The Keeling Curve is the driving fraudulent lie behind the irrational FEAR of global warming, renamed "climate change".

http://TheGlobalWarmingFraud.wordpress.com, where thousands of scientists refute the lies and fearmongering of Al Gore and his acolytes.

Hypocrites who still worship at the altar of Al Gore should sell their cars, stop taking vacations, stop going to entertainment venues, and certainly STOP driving their lazy children to high school and then picking them up, creating massive traffic jams that NIMBYS love to hate.
 
I?m sure you?d love to return to the days of water being on fire from pollution igniting and smog alerts in Southern California.

That?s okay, we?re here to help those of you who can?t help yourselves.

The cult deprogramming begins
 
Yes icey, you're pure of heart, just like all those Hollywood Hypocrites who:
1.  Live in huge mansions and
2.  Have multiple mansions and vacation homes, and
3.  Fly in their private jets, and
4.  Own private yachts, and
5. Take frequent vacations and trips overseas at considerable expense and huge consumption of fossil fuels which you Leftist hate but use more than anybody else, but
NOBODY wants pollution like you lie relentlessly and hatefully about.

Don't you ever get ashamed or even embarrassed about your vile, hateful lies? Ever?
 
Trying to distinguish pollution from climate change is a weak dichotomy like telling us it?s okay to drink water from the toilet bowl.

Also, blaming each other for pollution concerns is green washing messaging/programming at work. Consumers bear a responsibility for conservation and habits, but the bulk of the accountability falls upon the system owners.

Not sure why so many will defend a club of people who don?t care about them, and one they?ll never be a part of.
 
icey said:
Trying to distinguish pollution from climate change is a weak dichotomy like telling us it?s okay to drink water from the toilet bowl. 
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YOUR PREVIOUS POST DID JUST THAT - conflate pollution and climate change:

"I?m sure you?d love to return to the days of water being on fire from pollution igniting and smog alerts in Southern California." - Confused icey

Let me help you.  Smog alerts were the result of millions of cars, driving and spewing that compound that frightens you Leftists so very much, carbon dioxide.  I know, this is science and science is hard, especially when all you can hear is the political ranting of Fake News. 

You lie relentlessly and then try to reach a conclusion based on YOUR LIES. Nobody wants "to return to water being on fire."  NOBODY.    But you Leftists keep regurgitating the same garbage over and over because it's all you have. Lies.

You continue:  "Consumers bear a responsibility for conservation and habits, but the bulk of the accountability falls upon the system owners."

Whatever this "system" is and who its  "owners" you do not say because it's nonsense.  Corporations, such as those EEEEVIL gasoline manufacturers produce what humans want and need very desperately.  You drive to work, while you hypocritically condemn that EEEEVIL gasoline, that will bring families together this Thanksgiving. 

It's obviously a complete waste of time to read anything you say, so on to my Ignore List you go. 
ciao brutto
 
Greenland Glaciers are melting because I drive a Ford Bronco. That science is settled....or not...

Why are glaciers and sea ice melting?

Since the early 1900s, many glaciers around the world have been rapidly melting. Human activities are at the root of this phenomenon. Specifically, since the industrial revolution, carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions have raised temperatures, even higher in the poles, and as a result, glaciers are rapidly melting, calving off into the sea and retreating on land.

Even if we significantly curb emissions in the coming decades, more than a third of the world?s remaining glaciers will melt before the year 2100. When it comes to sea ice, 95% of the oldest and thickest ice in the Arctic is already gone.

Scientists project that if emissions continue to rise unchecked, the Arctic could be ice free in the summer as soon as the year 2040 as ocean and air temperatures continue to rise rapidly.

https://www.worldwildlife.org/pages/why-are-glaciers-and-sea-ice-melting

Or Maybe....

Flow of hot rocks rising from the Earth's core beneath central Greenland is melting the ice from below and contributing to sea-level rise, study finds
Experts from Japan mapped the plume of molten rock rising under Greenland
To do this, they analysed the speed of seismic waves travelling beneath the Earth
The plume rises from the core-mantle boundary to around a depth of 255 miles
It also has branched that feed geothermal activity in both Iceland and Jan Mayen
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9029805/Geology-Hot-rock-rising-beneath-central-Greenland-melting-ice-below.html[/url]
 
Lurch makes me laugh...I'm glad he's back, he is so easy to make fun of (jenjus kahhhn) ;D ;D >:D

'Only choice for somebody like me':John Kerry flew on private jet to accept climate award

It turns out Leonardo di Caprio isn?t the only one taking private jets to pick up climate awards. Biden global climate czar John Kerry flew by private plane in 2019 to accept an award for his climate work in Iceland, a decision he defended at the time as ?the only choice for somebody like me,? as shown on a video posted Wednesday by FoxNews.com.(Snip) A private jet produces up to 40 times more carbon-dioxide emissions per passenger than a commercial airplane, but Mr. Kerry offered no apologies for his transportation mode, touting his climate bona fides and saying his schedule gave him little choice.
[url]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/feb/3/john-kerry-flew-private-jet-accept-climate-award-o/[/url]
https://youtu.be/F2DDg3dl0zY
https://youtu.be/dvBxQsgr6PI
 
Why believe anything they say?....

Scientists Say Earth's Warming Could Set Off Wide Disruptions

By William K. Stevens
Sept. 18, 1995

"A continuing rise in average global sea level, which is likely to amount to more than a foot and a half by the year 2100. This, say the scientists, would inundate parts of many heavily populated river deltas and the cities on them, making them uninhabitable, and would destroy many beaches around the world. At the most likely rate of rise, some experts say, most of the beaches on the East Coast of the United States would be gone in 25 years. They are already disappearing at an average of 2 to 3 feet a year."

https://web.archive.org/web/20210123131658/https:/www.nytimes.com/1995/09/18/world/scientists-say-earth-s-warming-could-set-off-wide-disruptions.html

So here we are 25 full years later, a whole quarter of a century later, and the first prediction from these unnamed ?experts? has not even come close to occurring, so why should we believe the dire predictions about the year 2100?

We shouldn?t.

Here?s something else that didn?t happen?

Despite these ?expert? predictions, and despite the fact tons of leftists live on the East Coast, and despite the fact leftists claim to believe Global Warming is real, in 1995, there was no panicked exodus by those who live on the East Coast. If you believe Global Warming is real? If you believe the ?experts?? Why would you not immediately sell your beach house before the rising tide destroyed your multi-million dollar investment?

But what happened is the exact opposite. The population along the East Coast has only gone up over the last 25 years, property values have gone up. Which tells you that no one believed ? despite the ?experts? and their own claims to believe ?experts? ? that the East Coast because would be gone by now.

 
Oh and....

Last month was coldest February in US since 1989
Lauren Fox
Tue, March 16, 2021, 8:23 AM?7 min read
If you felt like last month's bitter cold was chillier than in previous years, that's because it was colder than normal in most places. New data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) released last week marked February 2021 as record cold in comparison to previous years.

February 2021 was the coldest February for the United States in over 30 years, according to the NOAA report, and the coldest February for the entire globe since 2014. North America, Scandinavia and northern Asia were all significantly below average in temperature last month. Each of those regions measured temperatures at least 5.4 degrees Fahrenheit below average.

The central and eastern tropical Pacific Ocean, Australia and parts of the southern oceans were also notably colder during February 2021 in comparison to recent years.

https://news.yahoo.com/last-month-coldest-february-us-152354106.html
 
Arguing climate climate change doesn't exist is like arguing the derivative of x^2 == log(x). It just tells the informed reader you don't know what you are talking about (or linking to) and to ignore your assertions/analysis.

However, analysis of whether the impact of climate change is worth the cost of a (potentially?) premature transition to nuclear and renewables is actually worthwhile.

Regardless, we are switching to renewables (it's in the definition of renewable), or fusion ( basis of renewable anyway, thanks sun). What is the cost of delaying the transition and thus  terraforming earth's atmosphere? More importantly (probably), can we bootstrap civilization without readily accessible fossil fuels? Should we leave some in the ground in case we (inevitably?) fail/fall?

I hope you like parens. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.





 
Irvinecommuter said:
So why bother with this discussion at all?  You clearly have no intent on changing your belief based upon evidence and/or science.
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YOU clearly have no intent on changing your belief based upon evidence and science.

?One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.  We redistribute de facto the world?s wealth by climate policy.? ? Ottmar Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.?s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015http://www.investors.com/politics/e...mist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

The UN?s climate czarina, Christiana Figueres, has also been quite vocal in explaining that the UN?s imposing climate change agenda extends far beyond mere environmental concerns:
?It must be understood that what is occurring here, not just in Doha, but in the whole climate change process is a complete transformation of the economic structure of the world.?

?The inconvenient truth is that it?s not about carbon ? it?s about capitalism.  ? we can seize this existential crisis to transform our failed economic system and build something radically better [socialism, of course].? ? Naomi Klein, This Changes Everything:  Capitalism vs. the Climate

The long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.? ? United Nations International Panel on Climate Control, 2007

Whistleblowers at the U.S. government?s official keeper of the global warming stats, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), claim their agency doctored temperature data to hide the fact that global temperatures plateaued almost 20 years ago.http://business.financialpost.com/f...ers-of-corrupted-climate-science-to-speak-out

Over 440 scientific papers published in 2019 are skeptical of climate alarm.
https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/30...tical-position-on-climate-alarm/%MCEPASTEBIN%

Hundreds of peer reviewed papers published in 2015 were skeptical of the ?consensus? of human-caused climate change.http://notrickszone.com/250-skeptic-papers-from-2015/#sthash.FwAuJa0i.dpbs
Hundreds of peer reviewed papers published in 2014 were skeptical of the ?consensus? of anthropogenic climate change. http://notrickszone.com/248-skeptical-papers-from-2014/#sthash.XYODyXVZ.dpbs

?Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum? ? NASA, Oct 7, 2014http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

MUCH MORE SCIENCE refuting your panic is available.  You simply choose to ignore, reject and trivialize it with the pettiest of excuses.

 
Metro Rail went past me today in Irvine and I was unable to see a single passenger in any window.  This is "mass transit" courtesy of the Insane Left.

I met with Mayor Choi years ago pointing out the absurd waste of shuttles going back and forth from John Wayne Airport to the Irvine Train Station, empty.  Mayor Choi invited me and a functionary from Orange County Transportation Authority to make their case for continuing this $110,000,000 boondoggle.  Choi said "Public transportation only takes in an average of 10 cents for every dollar of expense."  I replied, iShuttle only takes in one cent."

But all this slinging money at nonsense makes the Left feel better about themselves and that's what matters to them, the media, Democrats, educators, unions, socialists and America-haters.

 

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As earth day approaches (whenever that is) let us bow our heads and reflect....

?You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time. It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in Arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. It might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears the earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. Do you think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine. When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. A hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us.?

? Michael Crichton, Jurassic Park / Congo
 
...a witch!!!  Burn it!!!...

'Tree farts' from a ghost forest in North Carolina are releasing greenhouse gases, experts find

'Tree farts' from so-called 'ghost forests' in North Carolina are contributing to greenhouse gas emissions, according to experts from North Carolina State University.

Dead trees -- also known as snags -- in these 'ghost forests' release carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide in trace amounts (as does the nearby soil) that are contributing on some level to greenhouse gases.

'Even though these standing dead trees are not emitting as much as the soils, they're still emitting something, and they definitely need to be accounted for,' the study's lead author Melinda Martinez, a graduate student in forestry and environmental resources at NC State, said in a statement. 'Even the smallest fart counts.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9587763/Tree-farts-ghost-forest-North-Carolina-adding-greenhouse-gases.html
https://youtu.be/zrzMhU_4m-g
 
How much you wanna bet that this never reaches completion?....but nice signaling. ;D >:D

Biden administration reveals plans for wind farms off the California coast
More than 250,000 acres off the California coast will be open to wind development, the Biden administration announced Tuesday.

Under this new plan, wind power projects would be built off the coast of Morro Bay in Central California and Humboldt Bay in Northern California, and combined, they could generate 4,600 megawatts of electricity that could power 1.6 million homes, the Los Angeles Times reports. Wind energy does not produce greenhouse gas emissions, and offshore wind farms will help fight climate change and create more than 77,000 jobs, the White House said. Now, there are only two wind farms in the United States, both on the East Coast.

Gina McCarthy, President Biden's senior climate change adviser, said on Tuesday the California projects will "set the stage for the long-term development of clean energy and the growth of a brand-new, made-in-America industry." California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) agreed, saying these "game-changing" wind farms will benefit "diverse communities" across the state. He believes the projects will be built 20 miles offshore, with room for about 380 wind turbines. The Pacific Ocean is deep, and the turbines will have to float, held in place by cables.

There is some pushback from a variety of detractors, including people who live on the coast and don't want to look at turbines. Previously, the Department of Defense cautioned that offshore wind farms off the California coast could interfere with military training and operations, but Colin Kahl, undersecretary of defense for policy, said on Tuesday suitable locations were found that are out of the way, the Times reports.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/984375/biden-administration-reveals-plans-wind-farms-california-coast

Doomed!!...but not before wasting more taxpayer money...like this disaster...

U.S. Solar Power Plant Backed by Over $700 Million in Government Loans Goes Bust: Filing

(Reuters) - The owner of a big Nevada solar-thermal power plant that received $737 million in loans from the U.S. Department of Energy filed for bankruptcy on Thursday, according to a court filing, potentially leaving U.S. taxpayers with a whopping bill.

The project's failure is a blow to the DOE renewable energy loan program, which had already been criticized by Republicans as a waste of money after it backed failed solar panel maker Solyndra during the Obama administration.

Tonopah Solar Energy LLC still owes $425 million on its DOE loan, but reached a settlement under which the department will recover at least $200 million, it said in court documents filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-07-30/us-solar-power-plant-backed-by-over-700-mln-in-govt-loans-goes-bust-filing
 
Outcomes that occur when you let a child run your movement...Can't just wish it into the cornfiled... ;D ;D >:D

'Build back better. Blah blah blah': Greta Thunberg slams Biden's infrastructure, health care and green energy plan and says young people's dreams 'drown' in his and other leaders' 'empty words'
Greta Thunberg criticized world leaders' 'empty words and promises' in a speech
She opened the Youth4Climate summit in Milan, Italy on Tuesday
The 18-year-old activist took aim at one of Biden's slogans: Build Back Better
The COVID-recovery White House plan targets health care, housing and climate
It includes penalties for power companies that don't switch to clean energy and rebates for homeowners who make eco-friendly upgrades and renovations
It's part of the $3.5 trillion budget package under consideration in Congress
The Milan summit comes in advance of the COP26 which the UK will host

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10037631/Build-better-Blah-blah-blah-Greta-Thunberg-slams-Bidens-post-COVID-green-energy-plan.html
https://youtu.be/QxTMbIxEj-E
 
COP26 is going to be a total disaster?.China and Russia won?t even go and grandpa joe has his hat in hand?I can?t wait?grab your popcorn and watch all the spin?,

India rejects net zero emissions target as Modi heads to COP26 climate talks

After China and the United States, India is the third-largest emitter of greenhouse gases and is still largely dependent on coal and oil.
India?s energy demand is expected to rise sharply over the next decade as the economy continues on its growth trajectory.
At COP26, India will emphasize climate justice and ask wealthier nations to transfer technology and finance needed to help developing countries deal with the fallout from global warming, India?s Environment Minister Bhupender Yadav told local media.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/cop26-india-rejects-net-zero-emissions-target-modi-off-to-climate-talks.html?
 
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