Cypress Village Homes

[irvinehomeowner]

I've always contended that TIC purposely builds new inferior product to keep demand (and value) high on resale product.

They build new inferior product cause they can maximize their profits that way and the suckers keep buying

Inferior compared to who? And how would building "inferior" home keep demand high? 

Well... to be PC... maybe I should have said "different" product.

You said it yourself, to buy an SFR on a large lot with "traditional" SFR features would cost more... they cost more because people want them, and that's how you keep demand in resale going.

 

[usctrojancpa]

I don't think the Cali room sq ftg qualifies as part of the sq ftg of the house.

Nope, it sure doesn't.  It was to be fully enclosed with walls to be counted as additional SF. 

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I've always contended that TIC purposely builds new inferior product to keep demand (and value) high on resale product.

They build new inferior product cause they can maximize their profits that way and the suckers keep buying

Inferior compared to who? And how would building "inferior" home keep demand high?

It's not the quality beautiful homes that the people are buying...it's the location, schools, and safety that they are buying.  Their product is inferior to out builder's products....Las Ventanas and Lambert Ranch are two great examples.

Yes but that's also important considerations.  I went to both LV and LR and didn't care for either one. 

 

[qwerty]

I've always contended that TIC purposely builds new inferior product to keep demand (and value) high on resale product.

They build new inferior product cause they can maximize their profits that way and the suckers keep buying

Inferior compared to who? And how would building "inferior" home keep demand high? 

Inferior to TIC pre 2000. Unfortunately in irvine they are a monopoly so they can build  non traditional sfrs (tiny lots and no driveway) and people want new so their only option is TIC

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I've always contended that TIC purposely builds new inferior product to keep demand (and value) high on resale product.

They build new inferior product cause they can maximize their profits that way and the suckers keep buying

Inferior compared to who? And how would building "inferior" home keep demand high? 

Well... to be PC... maybe I should have said "different" product.

You said it yourself, to buy an SFR on a large lot with "traditional" SFR features would cost more... they cost more because people want them, and that's how you keep demand in resale going.

Fair enough.  I really think that TIC targeted the $500K-$800K range, especially 600K to 700K...it was a market that was not targeted before.  A lot $400-$500K attached condos or $800K SFRs.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I've always contended that TIC purposely builds new inferior product to keep demand (and value) high on resale product.

They build new inferior product cause they can maximize their profits that way and the suckers keep buying

Inferior compared to who? And how would building "inferior" home keep demand high? 

Inferior to TIC pre 2000. Unfortunately in irvine they are a monopoly so they can build  non traditional sfrs (tiny lots and no driveway) and people want new so their only option is TIC

I have seen pre-2000 TIC homes and often didn't care for the floor plans.  I like the great room and open concept.  Many of the older plans have too many walls and defined rooms. 

Again, non-traditional SFRs are to meet a price point...you can go buy a SFR like Lambert Ranch if you can afford a $1+ million home.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

Fair enough.  I really think that TIC targeted the $500K-$800K range, especially 600K to 700K...it was a market that was not targeted before.  A lot $400-$500K attached condos or $800K SFRs.

Since 2010... I think there has been some tract that fit into all price ranges... they may have not all been by TIC, but there was at least one new project on the Ranch that was in the different ranges.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

I don't think the Cali room sq ftg qualifies as part of the sq ftg of the house.

Nope, it sure doesn't.  It was to be fully enclosed with walls to be counted as additional SF.

That's why it makes more sense to me to get the conservatory for a few thousand more.

 

[qwerty]

Yes but that's also important considerations.  I went to both LV and LR and didn't care for either one. 

Let me get this right, you did not care for LV or LR, but you loved Saratoga?  Right. Like judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense it's not true

 

[jayl23]

I find the California Room totally useless cause my sun-fearing wife would never sit outside in the sun.

Hold. Isn't the California Room supposed to be an outdoor space that doesn't expose you to the elements (sun/rain) because it's covered?

It has a roof but no walls...so you still get a lot of sun.  My wife (and many Asian women) would prefer full enclosure without exposure to sunlight.  (Trellis and yard would be out of the question).

Hehe, of course, they wouldn't want to have to wear these in their home!! 

 

[usctrojancpa]

Yes but that's also important considerations.  I went to both LV and LR and didn't care for either one. 

Let me get this right, you did not care for LV or LR, but you loved Saratoga?  Right. Like judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense it's not true

He better say that the floor plans sucked compared to TIC's floor plans because he is only interested about the interior of the home, not the location. 

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Yes but that's also important considerations.  I went to both LV and LR and didn't care for either one. 

Let me get this right, you did not care for LV or LR, but you loved Saratoga?  Right.

Clarification:  LR looked great but seriously seriously overpriced.

I went to see LV a while back and didn't care for it all that much.  Also, being in Portola Spring was not great for me.

I don't love Saratoga and wouldn't buy it if I couldn't get the conservatory.  With the conservatory there is a lot of open space in the great room area and you get four bedrooms with four baths. 

Even the Sage (by KB) is selling in the high $600K for 1,600 square feet.  The model 2 costs about the same as Saratoga and is about 350 square feet smaller requires an upgrade to get 4 bedrooms.

It's a balance.  You pick things that are important to you and start knocking off stuff you don't think you absolutely need until you get to a price range you can afford.

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Yes but that's also important considerations.  I went to both LV and LR and didn't care for either one. 

Let me get this right, you did not care for LV or LR, but you loved Saratoga?  Right. Like judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense it's not true

He better say that the floor plans sucked compared to TIC's floor plans because he is only interested about the interior of the home, not the location.

When did I say that? 

 

[usctrojancpa]

Yes but that's also important considerations.  I went to both LV and LR and didn't care for either one. 

Let me get this right, you did not care for LV or LR, but you loved Saratoga?  Right.

Clarification:  LR looked great but seriously seriously overpriced.

I went to see LV a while back and didn't care for it all that much.  Also, being in Portola Spring was not great for me.

I don't love Saratoga and wouldn't buy it if I couldn't get the conservatory.  But again, you prioritize.

How the hell is LR overpriced?  It's about the same per SF cost as a similar TIC home but without Mello Roos.  You just said earlier that your main interest in the home is the interior and not the location.  Those Las Ventanas homes are about 1/2 mile from your Saratoga home and both of them are in Irvine...so what's the issue? 

 

[irvinehusky]

Wow, USC, you are in a foul mood/combative today.  I like it. 

 

[usctrojancpa]

Wow, USC, you are in a foul mood/combative today.  I like it. 

I'm an opinionated European...what can I say?  8)

 

[qwerty]

Today USC = the Polish Rifle

 

[Irvinecommuter]

Yes but that's also important considerations.  I went to both LV and LR and didn't care for either one. 

Let me get this right, you did not care for LV or LR, but you loved Saratoga?  Right.

Clarification:  LR looked great but seriously seriously overpriced.

I went to see LV a while back and didn't care for it all that much.  Also, being in Portola Spring was not great for me.

I don't love Saratoga and wouldn't buy it if I couldn't get the conservatory.  But again, you prioritize.

How the hell is LR overpriced?  It's about the same per SF cost as a similar TIC home but without Mello Roos.  You just said earlier that your main interest in the home is the interior and not the location.  Those Las Ventanas homes are about 1/2 mile from your Saratoga home and both of them are in Irvine...so what's the issue?

1)  There is a level of affordability when you get into $1 million.  Overpriced in that I don't need a 2700 square feet house for $1 million....I am fine with a 2400 square house for $800K.

2)  I don't think I have ever said that location is not important.  I am paying a premium to live in Irvine and in Stonegate...the location cost premiums are are factored in.  Portola Spring is about 1.5 miles away from Stonegate and not close to any shopping areas.  It is also set in a hilly/valley area and a lot warmer to me than Woodbury/Stonegate.  It's a personal preference, I just don't care for Portola Spring.

 

[socal78]

Wow, USC, you are in a foul mood/combative today.  I like it. 

It means his B.S. Detector is calibrating. 

 

[usctrojancpa]

Yes but that's also important considerations.  I went to both LV and LR and didn't care for either one. 

Let me get this right, you did not care for LV or LR, but you loved Saratoga?  Right.

Clarification:  LR looked great but seriously seriously overpriced.

I went to see LV a while back and didn't care for it all that much.  Also, being in Portola Spring was not great for me.

I don't love Saratoga and wouldn't buy it if I couldn't get the conservatory.  But again, you prioritize.

How the hell is LR overpriced?  It's about the same per SF cost as a similar TIC home but without Mello Roos.  You just said earlier that your main interest in the home is the interior and not the location.  Those Las Ventanas homes are about 1/2 mile from your Saratoga home and both of them are in Irvine...so what's the issue?

1)  There is a level of affordability when you get into $1 million.  Overpriced in that I don't need a 2700 square feet house for $1 million....I am fine with a 2400 square house for $800K.

2)  I don't think I have ever said that location is not important.  I am paying a premium to live in Irvine and in Stonegate...the location cost premiums are are factored in.  Portola Spring is about 1.5 miles away from Stonegate and not close to any shopping areas.  It is also set in a hilly/valley area and a lot warmer to me than Woodbury/Stonegate.  It's a personal preference, I just don't care for Portola Spring.

I'll buy the personal prefernce part but to say that it's warmer than Stonegate/Woodbury is laughable consideing that LV is les than 1 mile from Stonegate and 1-2 miles from Woodbury.  Funny how Taylor Morrison was able to sell real SFR homes in the $600k-$700k range.  Btw, Saratoga is a stone's throw away from LV...check out google maps.