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No, really...Greenland is cool! (and about as relevant as your fox news obsession) ;D ;D >
https://youtu.be/DW34jPhnwzw
CEO of fox news is vaccinated
My bad... corrected.
Sure, but if the unvaccinated don't want to get tested or follow safety protocols, then what?
That's always been my stance, if you don't vaccinate, you have to adhere to the other rules in order to prevent mutation and spread. Just like everything in life, if you make a choice, you need to live with those consequences which means you can't do the things you used to be able to do before.
Drunk driving is probably a good but not perfect example. It's a law that's meant to not only protect yourself, but others because your behavior can kill other people who are abiding by the law. You can choose to drink, but then don't drive (or don't engage in conversation with me because I dislike inebriated people spitting in my face about nonsense
).
irvinehomeowner
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@R2D:
Condolences on you and your daughter's loss.
There are many unknowns about both the vaccines and Covid.
Current science says one is more harmful than the other, and one helps prevent the severity of the other. That's my choice... and I respect what other people choose, just as long as they protect themselves and those around them.
Edit: Wrong person @.
Condolences on you and your daughter's loss.
There are many unknowns about both the vaccines and Covid.
Current science says one is more harmful than the other, and one helps prevent the severity of the other. That's my choice... and I respect what other people choose, just as long as they protect themselves and those around them.
Edit: Wrong person @.
nosuchreality
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@IHO, not me, that was Ready2Downsize
irvinehomeowner said:
morekaos
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eyephone said:
No, really...Greenland is cool! (and about as relevant as your fox news obsession) ;D ;D >
https://youtu.be/DW34jPhnwzw
morekaos
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The wicked witch of the mid-west for covid has sensed a change in the winds (and she has an election coming up)...No masks and no Mandates...who is this hypocrite?
Michigan Gov. Whitmer calls Biden?s vaccine mandate ?a problem? for businesses
LANSING ? Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is voicing concern over a federal vaccine mandate proposed by President Joe Biden, appearing to break rank with her fellow Democrat in a high-stakes debate over the governmental response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Speaking Monday with local business owners in rural mid-Michigan, Whitmer expressed sympathy for employers who would be required to comply with Biden's vaccine mandate if it overcomes legal roadblocks that have so far delayed implementation.
State government is "an employer too,"
Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and the state legislature have agreed on a budget proposal that includes language banning health officials from enforcing mask mandates in schools and preventing state public agencies from enforcing vaccines on employees or customers.
"The director or local health officer shall not issue or enforce any orders or other directives that require an individual in this state who is under the age of 18 to wear a face mask or face covering," the 1,000-page budget states in one section.
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-g...lls-bidens-vaccine-mandate-problem-businesses
Michigan Gov. Whitmer calls Biden?s vaccine mandate ?a problem? for businesses
LANSING ? Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is voicing concern over a federal vaccine mandate proposed by President Joe Biden, appearing to break rank with her fellow Democrat in a high-stakes debate over the governmental response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Speaking Monday with local business owners in rural mid-Michigan, Whitmer expressed sympathy for employers who would be required to comply with Biden's vaccine mandate if it overcomes legal roadblocks that have so far delayed implementation.
State government is "an employer too,"
Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and the state legislature have agreed on a budget proposal that includes language banning health officials from enforcing mask mandates in schools and preventing state public agencies from enforcing vaccines on employees or customers.
"The director or local health officer shall not issue or enforce any orders or other directives that require an individual in this state who is under the age of 18 to wear a face mask or face covering," the 1,000-page budget states in one section.
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-g...lls-bidens-vaccine-mandate-problem-businesses
I fully agree with IHO. I just want to note the risk level is different for everyone for example if you are young, healthy , don't interact with other people socially or even recovered from alpha and Delta and have a good hygiene and careful..it might make more sense not be vaccinated and the Mandate doesn't make a lot sense. Calbears wants everyone to be jabbed regardless of circumstances. This is not very scientific at all.
irvinehomeowner said:
morekaos said:eyephone said:
No, really...Greenland is cool! (and about as relevant as your fox news obsession) ;D ;D >
https://youtu.be/DW34jPhnwzw
CEO of fox news is vaccinated
morekaos
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Vaccine mandates just don't stand up....
NY Supreme Court Delivers Crushing Blow to Mayor Bill de Blasio?s Vaccine Mandate
New York City?s Mayor Bill de Blasio issued a vaccine mandate on October 29. But in a ruling that throws into question the legality of the ?mandate,? a judge for the Supreme Court of New York has blocked it.
?Mayor Bill de Blasio?s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for New York City employees, including the NYPD, has been blocked by a Manhattan court,? Newsweek reported.
?On Tuesday, Judge Frank P. Nervo in the Supreme Court of New York gave notice that the mandate was suspended, pending a hearing scheduled for December 14,? the report added.
?The ruling comes shortly after Mayor Bill de Blasio said the city would also require private-sector workers to be vaccinated by Dec. 27. That policy affects about 184,000 businesses,? the Wall Street Journal noted.
https://beckernews.com/ny-supreme-c...-mayor-bill-de-blasios-vaccine-mandate-43429/
NY Supreme Court Delivers Crushing Blow to Mayor Bill de Blasio?s Vaccine Mandate
New York City?s Mayor Bill de Blasio issued a vaccine mandate on October 29. But in a ruling that throws into question the legality of the ?mandate,? a judge for the Supreme Court of New York has blocked it.
?Mayor Bill de Blasio?s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for New York City employees, including the NYPD, has been blocked by a Manhattan court,? Newsweek reported.
?On Tuesday, Judge Frank P. Nervo in the Supreme Court of New York gave notice that the mandate was suspended, pending a hearing scheduled for December 14,? the report added.
?The ruling comes shortly after Mayor Bill de Blasio said the city would also require private-sector workers to be vaccinated by Dec. 27. That policy affects about 184,000 businesses,? the Wall Street Journal noted.
https://beckernews.com/ny-supreme-c...-mayor-bill-de-blasios-vaccine-mandate-43429/
nosuchreality
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Meh, don't care. Let employers treat it like smoking for their health plans. It's not a mandate, you can just pay to choose the risk profile you want and the extra monthly expense that goes with it.
This also makes sense. In an ideal world insurance rate is tied to risk (car insurance) so risker group like overweight, smoker, and non vaccinated need to pay more as they have higher risk.
But far leftists like Calbears want government to mandate and control your health and medical decisions instead of free market( how about my body my choice for abortion rights?) Make healthcare the same for all. Then every thing becomes more expensive or inefficient. That's why communism doesn't really work.
But far leftists like Calbears want government to mandate and control your health and medical decisions instead of free market( how about my body my choice for abortion rights?) Make healthcare the same for all. Then every thing becomes more expensive or inefficient. That's why communism doesn't really work.
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morekaos
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?aaaand done!
Manchin kills Biden's private vaccine mandate: Senator and fellow Democrat Jon Tester join 50 Republicans to vote down plan that would force COVID shot on 31 million
Wednesday's vote overturned Biden's mandate ordering businesses with 100 workers or more to demand vaccination from workers by Jan 4
Workers who refused were to be subjected to regular COVID testing
The 52-48 vote sends the legislation to the Democratic-led House of Representatives, where it faces strong headwinds
Manchin and Tester argued on Wednesday that the consequences of implementing the mandate would be largely felt on the country's economy
The chamber's top Republican, Mitch McConnell, branded the Biden mandate as an 'illegal' and 'absurd' government effort to micromanage the lives of citizens
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ter-vote-overturn-Bidens-vaccine-mandate.html
https://youtu.be/dOWYZhAXdP4
Manchin kills Biden's private vaccine mandate: Senator and fellow Democrat Jon Tester join 50 Republicans to vote down plan that would force COVID shot on 31 million
Wednesday's vote overturned Biden's mandate ordering businesses with 100 workers or more to demand vaccination from workers by Jan 4
Workers who refused were to be subjected to regular COVID testing
The 52-48 vote sends the legislation to the Democratic-led House of Representatives, where it faces strong headwinds
Manchin and Tester argued on Wednesday that the consequences of implementing the mandate would be largely felt on the country's economy
The chamber's top Republican, Mitch McConnell, branded the Biden mandate as an 'illegal' and 'absurd' government effort to micromanage the lives of citizens
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ter-vote-overturn-Bidens-vaccine-mandate.html
https://youtu.be/dOWYZhAXdP4
irvinehomeowner
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nosuchreality said:
My bad... corrected.
irvinehomeowner
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akula1488 said:
Sure, but if the unvaccinated don't want to get tested or follow safety protocols, then what?
That's always been my stance, if you don't vaccinate, you have to adhere to the other rules in order to prevent mutation and spread. Just like everything in life, if you make a choice, you need to live with those consequences which means you can't do the things you used to be able to do before.
Drunk driving is probably a good but not perfect example. It's a law that's meant to not only protect yourself, but others because your behavior can kill other people who are abiding by the law. You can choose to drink, but then don't drive (or don't engage in conversation with me because I dislike inebriated people spitting in my face about nonsense
).Drunk driving is different though. You can scientifically define blood alcohol level but not immunity to Covid. Can you say for certain people who recovered from Covid have worse immunity then certain people who are vaccinated? Some people do have stronger immunity system and for some people vaccine may not be as effective.
irvinehomeowner said:akula1488 said:
Sure, but if the unvaccinated don't want to get tested or follow safety protocols, then what?
That's always been my stance, if you don't vaccinate, you have to adhere to the other rules in order to prevent mutation and spread. Just like everything in life, if you make a choice, you need to live with those consequences which means you can't do the things you used to be able to do before.
Drunk driving is probably a good but not perfect example. It's a law that's meant to not only protect yourself, but others because your behavior can kill other people who are abiding by the law. You can choose to drink, but then don't drive (or don't engage in conversation with me because I dislike inebriated people spitting in my face about nonsense