Yes, we all know it exists. It's a virus. But is it a virus that requires the entire world to shut down? Is it really necessary to get vaccinated in order to visit stores, etc.? I'm asking if this whole controlling system was set up to test the entire humanity. Or was it just a simple virus that comes and goes and we just reacted accordingly?
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Science(TM) sleuths who wear a face shield and gloves while driving alone in their cars think they need to force everyone into the same single factor binary analysis of how to behave: "could it prevent the spread of covid? If yes, then everyone must do it." Maybe you are one of them, I don't know.
These people hid behind "science" and argue if everyone would see it their way and follow the rituals they believe in, then covid would go away. They've been fooled into thinking infections can be brought to zero. And when they see covid still infecting, they start pointing fingers. "The unvaccinated are the problem. People in favor of personal liberty are the problem. The unmasked are the problem. We need to vaccinate the children. We need to put masks on 2 year olds. We need to stay 6 feet away from each other. We need to stay in our homes at all times. Yes, it's the disobedient that are causing all of this."
These people can't accept, even with their gods of science guiding them, that Covid is going to be with humanity for the foreseeable future and no amount of mandates, vaccines, lockdowns, or masks will change that.
If you're brave enough to take an honest look around and wonder "what the F happened to our way of life in the last 18 months? Where are we heading? Should I really care this much about covid? Who is benefiting from all of this? Who is being harmed? Am I really comfortable with that?" Just maybe you'll start to be a little less worried about covid and a little more worried about the "controlling system". But I doubt it. You and the millions like you are too afraid to change your mind. You're all too mentally broken to take back the right to enjoy life without constant obsessive fear.
We were all guaranteed the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but people are throwing it away because they think they're safer if no one has it. What a foolish gamble.
Whether you accept or not, we?re already under controlled systems. You need your Driver?s license to drive your vehicle. You need your passport to travel. You are given a number to identify yourself, called a social security. All these are controlled systems and they were intended to be good and bring orders to the society. You can?t steal. You can?t kill. You are controlled by the law to pay the consequences if you break. Certain levels of controlled systems actually are good for us humans.
Now if that simplest science concept leads people to say only vaccinated people can go to the grocery store, then that concept says unvaccinated people can starve to death. Is this really a good intended system we can accept? Everything is at freewill. With all these controlled systems, you still have to make your own decision. You can still kill someone as long as you pay with your own life. Are we starting to see unvaccinated people as someone who kills now?
It matters a great deal for the unvaccinated. It?s basic expected value theory. Hospitalizations are real. Death is real. Neither is in the realm of lottery jackpot.
What if the reason for this is not because a Harvard Law grad can't understand the "simplest concepts in science" (how did that person even get into Harvard? By failing all of their high school level science classes? Weak argument.), but because the "concepts" you have in mind are wrong and/or incomplete?
Real science has brought us amazingly effective vaccines in record time. Everyone in the US has the ability to get vaccinated at any time. These vaccines reduce the chance of severe illness or worse to very low percentages. 18 months ago most agreed serious illness (ICU admissions), overwhelming the health care system, and excess deaths were the reason we had to hit the pause button to preserve life while we figure out a solution.
Well now we have the solution. So why are so many still full of fear? Why are so many making demands on how other people live?
Because people still die... from covid? Death and taxes, no one can escape either. Look closer at the covid death data. Look at infection fatality rate by age and preexisting maladies. Vaccinated and not elderly will be fine. Sucks, but even vaccinated elderly will die from covid, albeit at a much lower rate than unvaccinated. If not from covid, then from a host of other possibilities. That's reality. All of our beloved elderly will die eventually, so go tell them you love them and appreciate what they did for you before it's too late.
Long haul covid? Okay, that sucks, they're working on therapeutics and it's a far better outcome than ICU or death. Again, far less likely in vaccinated than unvaccinated.
Covid case numbers? Everyone can receive and transmit covid regardless of vaccination status. Case outcomes should be the focus, because just like the cold and flu, covid cases are not going away. And if you look at case outcomes, well, unvaccinated is as you would expect and they made that choice, they don't need you or anyone to force them into another choice. Vaccinated outcomes much more positive. Perhaps a miserable flu for a few days or even a week. Sucks, but they'll be fine.
There is no such thing as a risk free life, and we will never be without risk of covid... or car accident, cancer, heart disease, neurological illnesses, drowning, mass shooting, severe weather, and so on. It's irrational to be obsessed with covid risk. If we spent the same amount of time on all the other risks of life as we did on covid, we'd have no time for anything else and would be paralyzed with fear. We're on a rock hurdling through space with a nuclear reactor 1M times the size of our rock about 5 light minutes away from us. Let go of the fear and enjoy the precious time we have.
Science(TM) is all about rituals and control with no regard for anything but the possibility of reducing covid spread to impossibly low numbers. It doesn't take a Harvard Law grad to see through that.
Or it?s not what you have been sold. Either way, I?m still here.
?because I don?t have to. (Maybe never did). This thing is coming for you Eye?you won?t be able to escape it.
https://youtu.be/YDrFw6PtvfY
You are saying people at your church* give you the look like your a democrat because you wear a mask. You brought it up to make fun or it bothers you.
* churches should not give political opinions and judge you for wearing a mask, they should talk about stories from the bible and how it relates today. Such as the plague and disease which is talked about in the bible.
Good for you.
Remember I lost a cousin and her daughter lost her mother and couldn?t even see her before she died.
We?ve lost several friends to this.
Maybe when someone close to you isn?t ?fine? after getting Covid, you?ll be more wary.
I also caught H1N1 back when it was going around, and it was not fun, which is why I would rather not get Covid.
CogNeuroSci
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"Controlling system" is a phrase that gives away your position. Plus, I've read some of your other recent posts.
People with science backgrounds can't even help a Harvard Law School grad to understand the simplest science concepts.
People with science backgrounds can't even help a Harvard Law School grad to understand the simplest science concepts.
someguy
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CogNeuroSci said:
Science(TM) sleuths who wear a face shield and gloves while driving alone in their cars think they need to force everyone into the same single factor binary analysis of how to behave: "could it prevent the spread of covid? If yes, then everyone must do it." Maybe you are one of them, I don't know.
These people hid behind "science" and argue if everyone would see it their way and follow the rituals they believe in, then covid would go away. They've been fooled into thinking infections can be brought to zero. And when they see covid still infecting, they start pointing fingers. "The unvaccinated are the problem. People in favor of personal liberty are the problem. The unmasked are the problem. We need to vaccinate the children. We need to put masks on 2 year olds. We need to stay 6 feet away from each other. We need to stay in our homes at all times. Yes, it's the disobedient that are causing all of this."
These people can't accept, even with their gods of science guiding them, that Covid is going to be with humanity for the foreseeable future and no amount of mandates, vaccines, lockdowns, or masks will change that.
If you're brave enough to take an honest look around and wonder "what the F happened to our way of life in the last 18 months? Where are we heading? Should I really care this much about covid? Who is benefiting from all of this? Who is being harmed? Am I really comfortable with that?" Just maybe you'll start to be a little less worried about covid and a little more worried about the "controlling system". But I doubt it. You and the millions like you are too afraid to change your mind. You're all too mentally broken to take back the right to enjoy life without constant obsessive fear.
We were all guaranteed the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but people are throwing it away because they think they're safer if no one has it. What a foolish gamble.
CogNeuroSci
Active member
You've spent a lot of time patting yourself on the back over something you are convinced you know everything you need to know. Yet I know I have a grasp on some science stuff that is totally, completely relevant that you haven't brought up (i.e., you don't understand) which has led you to your ill-conceived position on the topic.
My short conclusion is you are wrong because of what you don't understand about the science (genetics), which is so so simple. In other words, all that stuff you've written is irrelevant. I'll say it again: We can't even get a Harvard Law grad to understand the simplest concepts in science. And now we're going to get the masses to understand coronavirus, COVID, its transmission, its neverending mutations, the molecular bio behind each vaccine, etc?
I'll add: I've asserted for many years that not everyone should have an opinion on any given topic. Not all opinions are equal. Opinions are earned. Some opinions are better than others. I shut my damn mouth when it comes to giving advice on heart surgery, because I know Jack about the topic.
Last thing: it might seem that I am being arrogant, but I tell you I'm not. The statement about humanities majors and science is not theoretical but rather empirical. It is not a statement of my own ego. It's something that is extremely frustrating (the politicization of COVID).
My short conclusion is you are wrong because of what you don't understand about the science (genetics), which is so so simple. In other words, all that stuff you've written is irrelevant. I'll say it again: We can't even get a Harvard Law grad to understand the simplest concepts in science. And now we're going to get the masses to understand coronavirus, COVID, its transmission, its neverending mutations, the molecular bio behind each vaccine, etc?
I'll add: I've asserted for many years that not everyone should have an opinion on any given topic. Not all opinions are equal. Opinions are earned. Some opinions are better than others. I shut my damn mouth when it comes to giving advice on heart surgery, because I know Jack about the topic.
Last thing: it might seem that I am being arrogant, but I tell you I'm not. The statement about humanities majors and science is not theoretical but rather empirical. It is not a statement of my own ego. It's something that is extremely frustrating (the politicization of COVID).
usctrojancpa
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Looks like Orange County is experiencing a significant increase in cases.
CogNeuroSci said:
Whether you accept or not, we?re already under controlled systems. You need your Driver?s license to drive your vehicle. You need your passport to travel. You are given a number to identify yourself, called a social security. All these are controlled systems and they were intended to be good and bring orders to the society. You can?t steal. You can?t kill. You are controlled by the law to pay the consequences if you break. Certain levels of controlled systems actually are good for us humans.
Now if that simplest science concept leads people to say only vaccinated people can go to the grocery store, then that concept says unvaccinated people can starve to death. Is this really a good intended system we can accept? Everything is at freewill. With all these controlled systems, you still have to make your own decision. You can still kill someone as long as you pay with your own life. Are we starting to see unvaccinated people as someone who kills now?
nosuchreality
Well-known member
morekaos said:
It matters a great deal for the unvaccinated. It?s basic expected value theory. Hospitalizations are real. Death is real. Neither is in the realm of lottery jackpot.
someguy
Active member
CogNeuroSci said:
What if the reason for this is not because a Harvard Law grad can't understand the "simplest concepts in science" (how did that person even get into Harvard? By failing all of their high school level science classes? Weak argument.), but because the "concepts" you have in mind are wrong and/or incomplete?
Real science has brought us amazingly effective vaccines in record time. Everyone in the US has the ability to get vaccinated at any time. These vaccines reduce the chance of severe illness or worse to very low percentages. 18 months ago most agreed serious illness (ICU admissions), overwhelming the health care system, and excess deaths were the reason we had to hit the pause button to preserve life while we figure out a solution.
Well now we have the solution. So why are so many still full of fear? Why are so many making demands on how other people live?
Because people still die... from covid? Death and taxes, no one can escape either. Look closer at the covid death data. Look at infection fatality rate by age and preexisting maladies. Vaccinated and not elderly will be fine. Sucks, but even vaccinated elderly will die from covid, albeit at a much lower rate than unvaccinated. If not from covid, then from a host of other possibilities. That's reality. All of our beloved elderly will die eventually, so go tell them you love them and appreciate what they did for you before it's too late.
Long haul covid? Okay, that sucks, they're working on therapeutics and it's a far better outcome than ICU or death. Again, far less likely in vaccinated than unvaccinated.
Covid case numbers? Everyone can receive and transmit covid regardless of vaccination status. Case outcomes should be the focus, because just like the cold and flu, covid cases are not going away. And if you look at case outcomes, well, unvaccinated is as you would expect and they made that choice, they don't need you or anyone to force them into another choice. Vaccinated outcomes much more positive. Perhaps a miserable flu for a few days or even a week. Sucks, but they'll be fine.
There is no such thing as a risk free life, and we will never be without risk of covid... or car accident, cancer, heart disease, neurological illnesses, drowning, mass shooting, severe weather, and so on. It's irrational to be obsessed with covid risk. If we spent the same amount of time on all the other risks of life as we did on covid, we'd have no time for anything else and would be paralyzed with fear. We're on a rock hurdling through space with a nuclear reactor 1M times the size of our rock about 5 light minutes away from us. Let go of the fear and enjoy the precious time we have.
Science(TM) is all about rituals and control with no regard for anything but the possibility of reducing covid spread to impossibly low numbers. It doesn't take a Harvard Law grad to see through that.
morekaos
Well-known member
eyephone said:morekaos said:Unlike many of you, I have, and my family has had, both H1N1 and now COVID. We are just fine?have a wonderful weekend! >
It is nothing to brag about. Maybe the reason why you are still here is because you got the vaccine and caught the variant.
Or it?s not what you have been sold. Either way, I?m still here.
morekaos
Well-known member
eyephone said:
?because I don?t have to. (Maybe never did). This thing is coming for you Eye?you won?t be able to escape it.
https://youtu.be/YDrFw6PtvfY
Mety said:
You are saying people at your church* give you the look like your a democrat because you wear a mask. You brought it up to make fun or it bothers you.
* churches should not give political opinions and judge you for wearing a mask, they should talk about stories from the bible and how it relates today. Such as the plague and disease which is talked about in the bible.
irvinehomeowner
Well-known member
morekaos said:Unlike many of you, I have, and my family has had, both H1N1 and now COVID. We are just fine?have a wonderful weekend! >
morekaos said:
Good for you.
Remember I lost a cousin and her daughter lost her mother and couldn?t even see her before she died.
We?ve lost several friends to this.
Maybe when someone close to you isn?t ?fine? after getting Covid, you?ll be more wary.
I also caught H1N1 back when it was going around, and it was not fun, which is why I would rather not get Covid.