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Compressed-Village said:
So S. Korea have 200,000 of their citizen tested in the most active covid zones. The U.S. 9000 tested. That?s right just 9K tested for the entire country. How come the big disparities.

Could it be that we artificial suppress the numbers? Or we are not test kit ready?

Typically, tests have to be FDA approved.The CDC's first batch of test turned out to be faulty and the FDA expedited their process at the end of Feb. LabCorp and others were supposed to start supplying tests (only if ordered by a Doc) this week. So, testing is probably picking up now, but we weren't as extensive as Korea/Germany.
@Panda- https://people.com/health/hand-sanitizers-still-available/
 
We have a wonderful opportunity here to use a marker and watch the very public story of actual infection.  The public will follow Tom and Rita?s every tweet, ache and symptom. What a wonderful study....how much you wanna bet Eye, that they come through this just fine?  Won?t even make a good made for TV movie.
 
Happiness said:
lnc said:
My take on this is that the mask will not prevent you from getting it but it will prevent you or whoever wearing the mask transmit the virus.

Your statement is true, that is why people who are not sick should not be wearing masks. Again, this is a cultural phenomenon. Asians, especially Mainland Chinese, already had a habit of wearing masks long before the Wuhan Virus. This is because the environment is so bad there. If a Mainland China person feels unsafe, he will instinctive reach for the face mask. We've never gotten into the habit of wearing masks so we do not have a mask reflex, we will stop to think whether it is really necessary or if it will do any good.

Most here live thru the 9/11 events. And after the attacked and whenever aircraft flies overhead I would look up and freak out when it get closer. Well, this coughing things in public is almost equivalent, not quite as alarming but does concern people around.
 
mads said:
Compressed-Village said:
So S. Korea have 200,000 of their citizen tested in the most active covid zones. The U.S. 9000 tested. That?s right just 9K tested for the entire country. How come the big disparities.

Could it be that we artificial suppress the numbers? Or we are not test kit ready?

Typically, tests have to be FDA approved.The CDC's first batch of test turned out to be faulty and the FDA expedited their process at the end of Feb. LabCorp and others were supposed to start supplying tests (only if ordered by a Doc) this week. So, testing is probably picking up now, but we weren't as extensive as Korea/Germany.
@Panda- https://people.com/health/hand-sanitizers-still-available/

So we have two months head start when this virus first reported in China. CDC funding dwindle and massive cut and deem unnecessary under Trump. Then he declare it as a hoax when virus broke out in China and it will go away shortly. Now after 20+ % drop in the market he wake up, and will be more tomorrow, he shutdown travel to Europe all together. Yeah, great move.
 
Didn?t he travel ban China fairly early?

Btw: TP can be found at different stores, they are being limited now. Costco has them if you go early.
 
Here is the time line, it rather long but it will help put some people to sleep.

December 31
Health officials in Wuhan, China, post a notice that says they?re investigating a pneumonia outbreak that is spreading in their city. The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that it ?was informed of a cluster of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause.?

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 8
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) publishes a health advisory regarding the ?pneumonia of unknown etiology? that appears to have originated in Wuhan.

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 17
The CDC dispatches more than 100 staffers to three US airports to screen passengers arriving from Wuhan, a highly unusual step only taken during major health crises.

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 21
Dr. Nancy Messonnier, a senior CDC official handling the response to respiratory diseases, tells reporters, ?We do expect additional cases in the United States and globally.?

TRUMP COMMENTS
January 22
At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Trump says he isn?t worried that the outbreak could turn into a global pandemic, and said he is confident that China is being transparent about the number of cases. ?We have it totally under control,? Trump told CNBC. ?It?s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It?s going to be just fine.?

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 23
CDC advisers tell CNN they are concerned that Chinese health officials haven?t released basic epidemiological data about the virus, making it more difficult to contain the outbreak. Questions remain about how quickly people with the infection become contagious.

TRUMP COMMENTS
January 24
Senior officials from the CDC brief senators about the latest developments about the virus. Later, Trump posts his first tweet about the coronavirus. He praises the Chinese government for its ?transparency? handling the outbreak and says, ?it will all work out well.?

FOREIGN DEVELOPMENTS
January 25
The WHO says there are more than 1,000 confirmed cases worldwide.

FOREIGN DEVELOPMENTS
January 26
Chinese government health officials reveal for the first time that people who are infected with the coronavirus can spread the disease before they are showing any symptoms.

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 29
The White House announces a coronavirus task force, which is led by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and is being coordinated through the National Security Council. Trump attend a meeting of the task force and tweeted that the experts ?are on top of it.?

FOREIGN DEVELOPMENTS
January 30
The World Health Organization declares a public health emergency of international concern. The State Department announces a ?do not travel? warning for China due to the virus.

OFFICIAL US ACTIONS
January 31
The Trump administration declares a public health emergency in the United States because of the coronavirus and blocks foreigners who visited China from entering the country. (In the following weeks, Trump complained that he didn?t get enough credit for this decision, which he claimed was a turning point in preventing a large-scale outbreak in the United States.)

This same day, about 200 Americans are evacuated out of China and flown to a military base in California, where they are quarantined. Messonnier, the top CDC official, says the drastic move was necessary because ?we are facing an unprecedented health threat? from coronavirus.?
 
And here is the timeline for the swine flu...way worse...less panic.

September 1988 - A woman dies of the H1N1 flu virus days after visiting a county fair pig exhibition where there was widespread influenza-like illness among the swine.

December 2005-February 2009 - The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports 12 cases of swine flu among humans.

April 2009 - Swine influenza A (H1N1) virus is detected in a 10-year-old boy. CDC lab testing confirms the same virus in a second California child residing about 130 miles away from the first patient.

April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.

April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.

April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.

April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.

June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.

October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

August 10, 2010 - WHO Director General Dr. Margaret Chan announces that the H1N1 outbreak has moved into the post-pandemic period.

June 26, 2012 - A study published in the Lancet Infectious Diseases journal estimates that the global death toll from the pandemic ranges between 151,700 and 575,400.
 
morekaos said:
And here is the timeline for the swine flu...way worse...less panic.

September 1988 - A woman dies of the H1N1 flu virus days after visiting a county fair pig exhibition where there was widespread influenza-like illness among the swine.

December 2005-February 2009 - The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports 12 cases of swine flu among humans.

April 2009 - Swine influenza A (H1N1) virus is detected in a 10-year-old boy. CDC lab testing confirms the same virus in a second California child residing about 130 miles away from the first patient.

April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.

April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.

April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.

April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.

June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.

October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

August 10, 2010 - WHO Director General Dr. Margaret Chan announces that the H1N1 outbreak has moved into the post-pandemic period.

June 26, 2012 - A study published in the Lancet Infectious Diseases journal estimates that the global death toll from the pandemic ranges between 151,700 and 575,400.

What was the economic environment then compare to now?
 
Market bottomed March of 2009. Recession officially declared over that same month. Stock market rose the whole time.  barely noticed all the death and zombies. Lots of tp, water and hand sanitizer available.
 
Compressed-Village said:
morekaos said:
And here is the timeline for the swine flu...way worse...less panic.

September 1988 - A woman dies of the H1N1 flu virus days after visiting a county fair pig exhibition where there was widespread influenza-like illness among the swine.

December 2005-February 2009 - The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports 12 cases of swine flu among humans.

April 2009 - Swine influenza A (H1N1) virus is detected in a 10-year-old boy. CDC lab testing confirms the same virus in a second California child residing about 130 miles away from the first patient.

April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.

April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.

April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.

April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.

June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.

October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

August 10, 2010 - WHO Director General Dr. Margaret Chan announces that the H1N1 outbreak has moved into the post-pandemic period.

June 26, 2012 - A study published in the Lancet Infectious Diseases journal estimates that the global death toll from the pandemic ranges between 151,700 and 575,400.

What was the economic environment then compare to now?

Give me a break. Do you trust what he says? Like so unreliable.
 
Let's get practical.  Are you ready for your K-12 aged kids to spend the remainder of the school year telecommuting from home.

TUSD emailed their questionaire today.  The UC system is going virtual.
 
The Trump administration is already talking to companies about a bailout disguised as a loan.

How about helping out the American folks before you help out the corporations?
 
nosuchreality said:
Let's get practical.  Are you ready for your K-12 aged kids to spend the remainder of the school year telecommuting from home.

TUSD emailed their questionaire today.  The UC system is going virtual.

Old news. I already posted an article that UCLA is like ending in person classes.
 
morekaos said:
Market bottomed March of 2009. Recession officially declared over that same month. Stock market rose the whole time.  barely noticed all the death and zombies. Lots of tp, water and hand sanitizer available.

Exactly why this time it is worse for the financial strapped masses. Market topped, 11 years bull runs, and debt level at an all time high. When you at the bottom the only way to go is up back in 2009. When you at the top of the top and overleverage like alot of companies been doing, not only it go down, it will go down hard and fast. It will go down more, ready to buy some on the discount and selective buying?
 
Financially strapped? Balance sheets for the s and p are in great shape. Any debt is funded at very low rates. Almost full employment means we can wether a storm.  Trading has been very profitable but buying for the long term is now obvious. As always, be selective but there is an enormous amount of money about to be made.  Mark my words.
 
Compressed-Village said:
morekaos said:
Market bottomed March of 2009. Recession officially declared over that same month. Stock market rose the whole time.  barely noticed all the death and zombies. Lots of tp, water and hand sanitizer available.

Exactly why this time it is worse for the financial strapped masses. Market topped, 11 years bull runs, and debt level at an all time high. When you at the bottom the only way to go is up back in 2009. When you at the top of the top and overleverage like alot of companies been doing, not only it go down, it will go down hard and fast. It will go down more, ready to buy some on the discount and selective buying?

Scenario 1: If mass layoffs, maybe it?s time to buy another house.

 
nosuchreality said:
Let's get practical.  Are you ready for your K-12 aged kids to spend the remainder of the school year telecommuting from home.

TUSD emailed their questionaire today.  The UC system is going virtual.


I will have to be if it a mandatory. Oh, now that we have bail out for stay at home parents to take care of kids, is that right?
 
eyephone said:
Compressed-Village said:
morekaos said:
Market bottomed March of 2009. Recession officially declared over that same month. Stock market rose the whole time.  barely noticed all the death and zombies. Lots of tp, water and hand sanitizer available.

Exactly why this time it is worse for the financial strapped masses. Market topped, 11 years bull runs, and debt level at an all time high. When you at the bottom the only way to go is up back in 2009. When you at the top of the top and overleverage like alot of companies been doing, not only it go down, it will go down hard and fast. It will go down more, ready to buy some on the discount and selective buying?

Scenario 1: If mass layoffs, maybe it%u2019s time to buy another house.

Buy house whenever you can. Responsibly!!! But just like most, when a panic strikes, people freezed from making good decisions. That's why it differentiate between the rich ready to act. And the follower looses. I looses countless of time.
 
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