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morekaos said:
FLORIDA VS. CALIFORNIA STATE COVID DATA PROVES LOCKDOWNS DON?T WORK

I?ll tell you: Because then the ?experts? who have told us we had to shut down for the past year to fight COVID would have to acknowledge that most of their COVID safety protocols were cosmetic theater with virtually no tangible impact. And they?d have to suddenly answer to the tens of millions of parents whose children have been out of school for a year and answer to the tens of millions of people who lost their jobs or their businesses, and they?d have to acknowledge that states like California got it completely wrong by following the ?expert? advice.

And that states like Florida got it completely right by not listening to these experts and simply following the data and the science instead of the fear porn.

But that would require acknowledging that the experts got it wrong and so did most of the media that trumpeted those experts? arguments as the gospel truth. And it would also require that Florida governor Ron DeSantis, the media?s number one COVID target for much of the past year, got it right. Not by taking a wild and uncalculated risk, but by simply following the science and data over the past year. We?ve known since spring of last year that elderly people were at extreme risk and that people under the age of fifty were under almost no risk. So why did we insist on an absurd policy of locking down everyone?

Lockdowns never made any sense at all.

They don?t work.

https://www.outkick.com/florida-vs-california-state-covid-data-proves-lockdowns-dont-work/
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Wow... all fluff no stuff.

Who is Clay Travis? Did you read the "article" before you posted it? This is basically an OpEd with almost zero support and lots of conjecture.

Please do better morekaos instead of trying to mislead people like that star dude.
 
It?s a ?opinion? that is quickly becoming ?settled science? no matter who is saying it...

Florida Democrats Wonder: Did Ron DeSantis Actually Get COVID Right?

After a solid year of living with a pandemic, the national press is beginning to ask the question that even Democrats have been quietly pondering in the Sunshine State: Was Gov. Ron DeSantis' pandemic response right for Florida? ... Our death rate is no worse than the national average ? and better than some states with tighter restrictions ... The New York Times explored the positives ? from the booming real-estate market to Florida's low unemployment rate ? of an early reopening: "Much of the state has a boomtown feel," writes Patricia Mazzei, "a sense of making up for months of lost time." The Times notes that Florida's unemployment rate is 5.1%, compared to 9.3% in California, 8.7% in New York and 6.9% in Texas. "That debate about reopening schools? It came and went months ago. Children have been in classrooms since the fall."

If you've been to Florida lately, you already know how apt the "boomtown" observation is. 

I have, and I do...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/03/16/florida-democrats-wonder-did-ron-desantis-get-covid-right-n2586265
 
irvinehomeowner said:
morekaos said:
FLORIDA VS. CALIFORNIA STATE COVID DATA PROVES LOCKDOWNS DON?T WORK

I?ll tell you: Because then the ?experts? who have told us we had to shut down for the past year to fight COVID would have to acknowledge that most of their COVID safety protocols were cosmetic theater with virtually no tangible impact. And they?d have to suddenly answer to the tens of millions of parents whose children have been out of school for a year and answer to the tens of millions of people who lost their jobs or their businesses, and they?d have to acknowledge that states like California got it completely wrong by following the ?expert? advice.

And that states like Florida got it completely right by not listening to these experts and simply following the data and the science instead of the fear porn.

But that would require acknowledging that the experts got it wrong and so did most of the media that trumpeted those experts? arguments as the gospel truth. And it would also require that Florida governor Ron DeSantis, the media?s number one COVID target for much of the past year, got it right. Not by taking a wild and uncalculated risk, but by simply following the science and data over the past year. We?ve known since spring of last year that elderly people were at extreme risk and that people under the age of fifty were under almost no risk. So why did we insist on an absurd policy of locking down everyone?

Lockdowns never made any sense at all.

They don?t work.

https://www.outkick.com/florida-vs-california-state-covid-data-proves-lockdowns-dont-work/
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Wow... all fluff no stuff.

Who is Clay Travis? Did you read the "article" before you posted it? This is basically an OpEd with almost zero support and lots of conjecture.

Please do better morekaos instead of trying to mislead people like that star dude.
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March 19, covid infections per 100,000 population.

South Dakota: 13,302.
Hawaii: 2,034.

Deaths per 100,000
South Dakota: 217.
Hawaii: 32.

Unlike NY/NJ and the northeast urban center, in South Dakota the first wave took months to reach them, while the NY meltdown spurred most of the lockdowns.

Safety measures, health policies make a difference.


 
More Victories for Florida and DeSantis -- School Data Shows Lowered COVID Activity

Florida consistently has had lower rates of Covid-19 in schools than in the community at large, according to a data dashboard created by Brown University, data company Qualtrics and others. In the last two weeks of February, the daily case rate per 100,000 people was 22 among students and 15 among school staff, compared with 27 in the community, according to the data. In earlier periods going back to October, the student and staff rates were almost always less than half the community rate.

School reopenings ended up being safer than many feared, said Andrew Spar, president of the Florida Education Association, a teachers union that unsuccessfully sued Florida to try to stop the executive order.


Can't fight a tidal wave...https://redstate.com/bradslager/2021/03/18/more-victories-for-florida-and-desantis-school-data-shows-lowered-covid-activity-n345852

Cant fight a tidal wave...
https://youtu.be/m-ETkZmPNiM
 
My kids have been in the classroom since September, and over the Fall there were no issues whatsoever. 

In early January, after Christmas break there were a couple of teachers and a handful of students that had it.  My son's teacher had it unknowingly and exposed the class for 3 1/2 days before testing positive and staying home.  Nobody in the class caught it despite the prolonged exposure.  So the teacher wearing a face shield and desks being spaced 3 feet apart (the school's policy before the recent CDC guidance) were enough to prevent an outbreak.

Despite some teachers and students having it at that time, there were no outbreaks at our school and no documented cases of anybody spreading it to others on campus.

The current numbers for OC are now lower than the September low, so it's almost ludicrous to be having this conversation now.  The kids need to be in school.  There is a mental and physical health crisis that is much more serious than COVID at this point.  The rates of depression are off the charts. 

Older people and sick people should already be seeking vaccination, so there's no reason to continue punishing children and their families in order to protect the elderly. 

Hospitals have absolutely no chance of exceeding capacity at this point, as there is no curve left to flatten.
 
I think it?s pretty clear the teachers union are just using ventilation, can?t space everyone out to six feet, etc. as a negotiation tactic. My son is in private school and has been since the summer and no outbreaks at his school. There was an admin and teacher who got it but no outbreaks. The teachers/admin are all vaccinated now

I have to imagine the kids will be back in school full time in August for the start of the 21-22 school year. I?m hoping the schools reopen fir full time in April but it seems hybrid is considered being reopened and my older kid has been doing that since the fall. While I prefer a full time reopening in April it seems highly unlikely. We supplement with tutoring but a lot of kids are not as fortunate.
 
qwerty said:
My son is in private school and has been since the summer and no outbreaks at his school...
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Mine are in private as well... Thank God! 

I can't imagine paying Irvine prices for "world class" schools that exceed 30 students to a class and have to learn through Zoom, and this hybrid learning nonsense, all while giving their kids severe depression and childhood obesity.
 
Mety said:
Why so much hatred toward Irvine?
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Getting people to think about the subpar education their kids are receiving is the opposite of hate - it's actually love - and I'm trying to zap the people on this board, Irvine lovers or not, out of the complacent acceptance of their circumstances.
 
Liar Loan said:
Mety said:
Why so much hatred toward Irvine?
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Getting people to think about the subpar education their kids are receiving is the opposite of hate - it's actually love - and I'm trying to zap the people on this board, Irvine lovers or not, out of the complacent acceptance of their circumstances.
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So you love the *people* by trying to make them think twice about buying/living in Irvine with its whole education drama and whatnot. That still sounds like you hate Irvine, doesn't it? Therefore I'm asking you a question, why so much hatred toward this city?

Or are you saying these things against Irvine because you want the city of Irvine *itself* to change, which may speak of your sincere love for this city?
 
It's like why I hate so much on California.  I have said many times that as a native Californian....I point out all these faults in the vain hope that things would change and improve.  I'm just screaming in the wind but it is what it is...
 
Mety said:
Liar Loan said:
Mety said:
Why so much hatred toward Irvine?
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Getting people to think about the subpar education their kids are receiving is the opposite of hate - it's actually love - and I'm trying to zap the people on this board, Irvine lovers or not, out of the complacent acceptance of their circumstances.
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So you love the *people* by trying to make them think twice about buying/living in Irvine with its whole education drama and whatnot. That still sounds like you hate Irvine, doesn't it? Therefore I'm asking you a question, why so much hatred toward this city?

Or are you saying these things against Irvine because you want the city of Irvine *itself* to change, which may speak of your sincere love for this city?
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I'm Irvine neutral. 

Personally, I wouldn't want to live in modern day Irvine, but I have many connections to the city.  I've attended church there, worked there, met my wife, and taken courses through UCI.  On the other hand, I don't like the over-development of the city or the lack of creative vision.  The OC Great weed patch Park is a perfect example.  After all these years, nobody would say it is a world class facility.  It was supposed to be on par with Balboa Park in San Diego, remember?  Does anybody really think that is going to happen?  You could name several other parks just within the city of Irvine that are better.

 
qwerty said:
I think it?s pretty clear the teachers union are just using ventilation, can?t space everyone out to six feet, etc. as a negotiation tactic. My son is in private school and has been since the summer and no outbreaks at his school. There was an admin and teacher who got it but no outbreaks. The teachers/admin are all vaccinated now

I have to imagine the kids will be back in school full time in August for the start of the 21-22 school year. I?m hoping the schools reopen fir full time in April but it seems hybrid is considered being reopened and my older kid has been doing that since the fall. While I prefer a full time reopening in April it seems highly unlikely. We supplement with tutoring but a lot of kids are not as fortunate.
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It?s already middle March.  Effectively the real school year is over in six weeks.  Ten weeks and the schools are down for the summer.  Really no point in spinning the kids back into class.  Whatever that is, my kid has been in class since September, just minus all the fluff, filler and Wednesdays.
 
morekaos said:
Nah...turns out they were right...

After 6 months without lockdown, Sweden's COVID-19 deaths, infections bottom out
Open schools, little mask usage, few restrictions have flouted much of the world's response.
After months without lockdowns, school closures and other mitigation measures widely imposed across the world, Sweden's coronavirus cases and deaths have fallen to such minimal levels as to revive the debate over its so-called herd immunity strategy.

Some Swedish officials are far from declaring victory, warning there could be a second wave and that too many elderly died in the country during its comparatively lax pandemic restrictions. The country's population-adjusted death rate, meanwhile, is in the top 10 worldwide, but lower than the rates for Italy, Spain and even New York, where heavy lockdowns prevailed.
And the dramatic drop in new cases and deaths in that country point to a rapidly improving situation there in defiance of many earlier predictions.
The Swedish government has engaged in minimal interventions and imposed relatively few restrictions upon its citizenry for the duration of the pandemic. Yet the so-called "Swedish model" has for months drawn alarm and derision from countless world health authorities. Many have insisted that sweeping, open-ended restrictions on social and economic activity ? including lockdowns, strict "social distancing" measures, and mandatory face mask orders ? are the only practical methods by which the coronavirus can be halted.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/after-6-months-no-lockdown-swedish-covid-deaths-bottomed-out
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Should have followed Sweden....less suffering and better results...

Sweden saw lower increase in deaths during 2020 than most of Europe despite shunning Covid-19 lockdown
Sweden has been in the spotlight after holding out against stay-at-home orders
The country's 7.7% excess in deaths was lower than Spain (18%) or Belgium (16%)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9398127/Sweden-saw-lower-increase-deaths-2020-Europe.html
 
irvinehomeowner said:
Such cherry picking.

Why doesn?t morekaos talk about Brazil?

And Florida is ticking back up.

Science and math are not subjective.
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Hawaii, Vermont, Maine.  All require quarantine or proof of negative test for travel.  Hawaii as 2045 cases/100,000 people. Vermont has 2874 and Maine, by far the loosest has 3628/100K

The other end, North Dakota, South Dakota and Utah.  ND at 13,371/100K, SD at 13,124/100K and RI at 12,681. 

In the middle is all the in the middle efforts.

ND and SD 6X plus that of Hawaii.
 
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