nosuchreality
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irvinehomeowner said:morekaos said:
... that's not comparable.
Isn't the metaphor really, I see your blood sugar is high, how's your diabetic diet changes going. "It doesn't do any good Doc, I can't live like that"
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Isn't the metaphor really, I see your blood sugar is high, how's your diabetic diet changes going. "It doesn't do any good Doc, I can't live like that"
That?s just his viewpoint because we get taught our whole life nothing is more precious than life. And it?s taboo to go against that viewpoint. The reality is, we value money more than life.
Once we all agree on that, practical decisions can be made.
Not being through something before is a built in excuse. In the real world people get fired for not navigating a business through a crisis correctly. The government screws it up and there is essentially no consequence.
His viewpoint matters because he was the architect of the strategy. I don't disagree with your point about us valuing money more than life. But that going into politics where there's always hypocrisy.
From a public policy standpoint, we should go with whatever the current data/science drives you.
I am 100% with you when it comes to the lack of accountability in government. I was very critical of president Trump when he botched the window to contain/trace early on when case # was low. The current protests against police brutality are also largely due to lack of accountability. Bailouts for corporations instead of regular people. None of us voted for that. Insider trading from our Senators, nobody's going to jail or lose their seat.
I was surprised by these low numbers when you first posted this - thought parents would be raring for childcare. Last week I found out my kid's private elementary school didn't have enough interest to field a summer camp program. And same story at the Montessori. Less than 25 kids interested for their summer primary program (they had 100 kids pre COVID).
No, I think it is how cold free March, April and May were for families compared to the normal school year and what that means for going fall and regular school.
Once the petri dish starts sending colds home, what does the family do? Self-quarantine? Get each person tested 3 or 4 times a winter? Ignore your cold symptoms and go out normally?
I?ll take this one. This one is easy. There was a documented case (not sure how) about someone in a choir infecting 60 people. The documentation made it science and data. Because there has not been a case of transmission documented at a protest while everyone is shoulder to shoulder yelling at the top of their lungs, there is no science and data.
You can not use common sense to apply covid policy, only science and data
It is unclear at this point if transmission is possible in close quarters while yelling loudly wearing cloth masks
Yeah, fearless leader was so brave standing up to those who questioned his "science" but as soon as someone says "racism" his knees immediately buckled and he crumbled to the floor. In fairness to N, the accusation of racism is kryptonite to many liberals, not just him.
Isn't the metaphor really, I see your blood sugar is high, how's your diabetic diet changes going. "It doesn't do any good Doc, I can't live like that"
qwerty
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Kenkoko said:
That?s just his viewpoint because we get taught our whole life nothing is more precious than life. And it?s taboo to go against that viewpoint. The reality is, we value money more than life.
Once we all agree on that, practical decisions can be made.
Not being through something before is a built in excuse. In the real world people get fired for not navigating a business through a crisis correctly. The government screws it up and there is essentially no consequence.
qwerty said:
His viewpoint matters because he was the architect of the strategy. I don't disagree with your point about us valuing money more than life. But that going into politics where there's always hypocrisy.
From a public policy standpoint, we should go with whatever the current data/science drives you.
I am 100% with you when it comes to the lack of accountability in government. I was very critical of president Trump when he botched the window to contain/trace early on when case # was low. The current protests against police brutality are also largely due to lack of accountability. Bailouts for corporations instead of regular people. None of us voted for that. Insider trading from our Senators, nobody's going to jail or lose their seat.
akkord said:
I was surprised by these low numbers when you first posted this - thought parents would be raring for childcare. Last week I found out my kid's private elementary school didn't have enough interest to field a summer camp program. And same story at the Montessori. Less than 25 kids interested for their summer primary program (they had 100 kids pre COVID).
nosuchreality
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qwerty said:
No, I think it is how cold free March, April and May were for families compared to the normal school year and what that means for going fall and regular school.
Once the petri dish starts sending colds home, what does the family do? Self-quarantine? Get each person tested 3 or 4 times a winter? Ignore your cold symptoms and go out normally?
qwerty
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Kids won?t be getting sick at school anymore. They will be sitting at desk 6 feet apart, eating lunches at their desk etc.
It?s going to be ridiculous. I saw LAUSDs proposed guidelines.
https://laist.com/2020/06/03/coronavirus_beutner_lausd_hybrid_schedules_fall.php
It?s going to be ridiculous. I saw LAUSDs proposed guidelines.
https://laist.com/2020/06/03/coronavirus_beutner_lausd_hybrid_schedules_fall.php
Yea I think it?s comfort level and not $$.
Maybe it shakes out differently at schools outside of Irvine.
Private elementary is thinking hybrid learning in the fall. And the Montessori is thinking small in person class sizes (<10) with a separate distance learning program for families not comfortable with in person. Obviously not firm plans. Will be curious to see what the local public schools do.
Maybe it shakes out differently at schools outside of Irvine.
Private elementary is thinking hybrid learning in the fall. And the Montessori is thinking small in person class sizes (<10) with a separate distance learning program for families not comfortable with in person. Obviously not firm plans. Will be curious to see what the local public schools do.
nosuchreality
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I?ve heard Orange is proposing roll your own. Send your kids if you want and really happy to have you keep your kids on distance learning.
Or in other words, we can?t possibly handle the students and teachers union so please keep half your kids home.
TUSD?s parent survey closes tonight. They?ll hold their decision as long as possible
Or in other words, we can?t possibly handle the students and teachers union so please keep half your kids home.
TUSD?s parent survey closes tonight. They?ll hold their decision as long as possible
For us, a 4 yr old and 2 yr old, distance learning is a no go. With both parents working, a 2 or 4 yr old is not going to have the attention span to be on a zoom meeting with us let alone by themselves. My 4 yr old can barely go 30 min without dropping his pencil multiple times and getting distracted as it is. They will be 3 and 5 by end of Sept, but I have 0 confidence in distance learning at this age. I also have 0 confidence in social distancing if they went back to Montesorri or TK public school or Rising Rainbow.
My wife wants to send the 4 yr old to Rising Rainbow camp, I'm opposed for now, rather wait a couple weeks to see what happens in camp after 2 weeks. We paid for the first week, but I'm ok losing the couple hundred. I told my wife let's see what the schools decide for fall - I think it'll be a hybrid based on a close friends wife who works in IUSD. If that's the case I would send them back to Montesorri vs a hybrid.
My wife wants to send the 4 yr old to Rising Rainbow camp, I'm opposed for now, rather wait a couple weeks to see what happens in camp after 2 weeks. We paid for the first week, but I'm ok losing the couple hundred. I told my wife let's see what the schools decide for fall - I think it'll be a hybrid based on a close friends wife who works in IUSD. If that's the case I would send them back to Montesorri vs a hybrid.
qwerty
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So if protest are not considered risky why the hell did we shut down? Further validation that the initial lockdown was a huge, costly mistake.
IHO/NSR - now that things are open, with the virus still out there, and people dining out/going to casinos, etc, Do you guys still think the economic damage would have been the same without a lockdown? I?m asssuming all of those people protesting clearly don?t fear the virus and probably never did (probably because they have a 99.75% chance of survival), they probably would have still kept going to work and spending some money.
Just curious as we get more information if your view is evolving.
It seems like the economic fallout was about the response itself, not so much the virus.
IHO/NSR - now that things are open, with the virus still out there, and people dining out/going to casinos, etc, Do you guys still think the economic damage would have been the same without a lockdown? I?m asssuming all of those people protesting clearly don?t fear the virus and probably never did (probably because they have a 99.75% chance of survival), they probably would have still kept going to work and spending some money.
Just curious as we get more information if your view is evolving.
It seems like the economic fallout was about the response itself, not so much the virus.
adventurous
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Yep. Our fearless governor was in the first line fighting OC beachgoers and the protests against his pointless rules. I don't recall him condemn any riots for not following the social distance? Did he say a word about that? Nope. Instead, he opens up California on Monday. I assume the COVID was completely defeated?Kings said:it's okay guys, if you're protesting coronavirus doesn't matter
qwerty
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Happiness said:
I?ll take this one. This one is easy. There was a documented case (not sure how) about someone in a choir infecting 60 people. The documentation made it science and data. Because there has not been a case of transmission documented at a protest while everyone is shoulder to shoulder yelling at the top of their lungs, there is no science and data.
You can not use common sense to apply covid policy, only science and data
It is unclear at this point if transmission is possible in close quarters while yelling loudly wearing cloth masks
adventurous said:Yep. Our fearless governor was in the first line fighting OC beachgoers and the protests against his pointless rules. I don't recall him condemn any riots for not following the social distance? Did he say a word about that? Nope. Instead, he opens up California on Monday. I assume the COVID was completely defeated?Kings said:it's okay guys, if you're protesting coronavirus doesn't matter
Yeah, fearless leader was so brave standing up to those who questioned his "science" but as soon as someone says "racism" his knees immediately buckled and he crumbled to the floor. In fairness to N, the accusation of racism is kryptonite to many liberals, not just him.
adventurous
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BLM slogans efficiently destroy peace, order and ... COVID. Even Roberts know it, that's why he joined the liberal chorus on the SCOTUS dubious decision.Happiness said:
