Columbus Grove: why live there

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[quote author="hs_teacher" date=1223337360]Ipop, I'm not sure who you are directing your comments to, but you really need some basic reading skills. I only said that MR's pay for new streets, sewers, parks, and schools. I never mentioned anything about CG kids going to any specific school - whether old or new.



On the other hand, Asianinvasion stated that they have built a new school by CG. Which I can agree with because that is also what I've heard. As a matter of fact, there are plans to build a new elementary school in Columbus Square as well.



I see MR's as property tax. Are the amenities worth the extra fees - maybe yes, maybe no.</blockquote>


Read the thread, and if you have those basic reading skills you refer to, you should be able to see who I am responding to.



Let me give you a hint, look for this comment "What crack pipe are you smoking, they just built a BRAND NEW elementary school and a BRAND NEW park right ADJACENT to CG" and then re-read my reply.



You can agree with asian all you want but that doesn't make either of you right. THERE IS NO BRAND NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NEXT ADJACENT TO COLUMBUS GROVE. I posted the friggin' district map. Do you both think they built a new elementary school and forgot to include it on the district map? Is IUSD telling those parents to send their kids to Stone Creek Elementary for funzies?!



Yes indeed, there is supposed to be a new elementary school in Columbus Square (edited) down the line. Unforunately for them, right now the get to go with Marjorie Veeh Elementary, 70% latino enrollment with 60+% on free or reduced lunch program, with an API in the 700's. I think Barbara Benson Elem is also a possibility for those in Columbus Square, which is a little whiter, less poor, and has a higher API. It's way over by Newport and Irvine Blvd. though, nowhere near Columbus Square.
 
ipo, it was a little confusing. I thought you were talking asianinv (since you quoted him) but then you mention the "I can't believe they gave you a degree" thing.



But anyways, so even the new schools for CG are gonna be IUSD? That was my first thought on why they couldnt be on the map. So when the new Tustin High gets built, it will be CG goes to Woodbridge, and CS, goes to Tustin High? Do I understand this right?
 
[quote author="24inIrvine" date=1223344723]But anyways, so even the new schools for CG are gonna be IUSD? That was my first thought on why they couldnt be on the map. So when the new Tustin High gets built, it will be CG goes to Woodbridge, and CS, goes to Tustin High? Do I understand this right?</blockquote>
Unless they re-district Columbus Grove, or IUSD changes what schools CG can go to... that's how it currently is.



Even if they built a "BRAND NEW" elementary school... the only place for it is on the other side of Jamboree which is TUSD so it's for Columbus Square only.



The point is that the MelloRoos for CG are quite high compared to the infrastructure benefits they are getting. I don't know exactly how the special assessments are being distributed and to what areas they are getting allocated to but it just seems like CG residents are getting taxed more than they should.
 
Much like everyone else, ipo mixed up Columbus Grove and Columbus Square. CS is getting a new elementary school someday. Some very long day away.



Columbus Grove is IUSD, and there's no space around to build a new elementary school. There is no relationship to the other side of Jamboree.



Again - other than the name Columbus Grove and Columbus Square have nothing to do with each other. Different theme, different layout, different schools, different HOA, I could go on, but even the dimmest person has probably caught on by now. After the sales are done, and CS is on its own, and the "villages of columbus" cease to exist then each neighborhood (CG Tustin, CG Irvine and CS) will be judged on their own merit. Until then, everyone will see ignorant comments of people who don't know the difference between the neighborhoods, probably have never been there, and just like to pile on others to make themselves feel better about their own internal issues.
 
Just for simple thing to remember can someone give a list 1 to 3 for the ranking of each area. (CG Irvine, CG Tustin, CS) I always thought, they were kinda tied to each, but if they are independent, it would be nice to know the which is most desireable and which is least.
 
[quote author="Goofy" date=1223349201]Much like everyone else, ipo mixed up Columbus Grove and Columbus Square. CS is getting a new elementary school someday. Some very long day away.



Columbus Grove is IUSD, and there's no space around to build a new elementary school. There is no relationship to the other side of Jamboree.



Again - other than the name Columbus Grove and Columbus Square have nothing to do with each other. Different theme, different layout, different schools, different HOA, I could go on, but even the dimmest person has probably caught on by now. After the sales are done, and CS is on its own, and the "villages of columbus" cease to exist then each neighborhood (CG Tustin, CG Irvine and CS) will be judged on their own merit. Until then, everyone will see ignorant comments of people who don't know the difference between the neighborhoods, probably have never been there, and just like to pile on others to make themselves feel better about their own internal issues.</blockquote>


Whoops, yes I did. CS is TUSD, always will be. CG is IUSD with Woodbridge schools.
 
Columbus Square is definitely all Tustin. I don't think that Tustin is such a bad place. I just woudn't want to live on an empty deserted military base.

I don't know why people pay so much to live there.



Columbus Grove is mainly in Irvine. I would like to live there. It's close to everything. Does anyone think I can get something decent for $3000/month including property tax and MR's? I'm just thinking of a nice 2bed condo.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223179424]

That's what got me. The MRs in CG are so high but they are not building new elementary or middle schools. And the schools that they are sending them to are not only older but farther away than the ones the neighboring Irvine houses are using.</blockquote>


You can take a look at this map here for the location of the new schools: <a href="http://www.tustinlegacy.com/article.cfm?id=45#">http://www.tustinlegacy.com/article.cfm?id=45#</a> When will they be built is another question.
 
[quote author="shadow750" date=1223598685][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223179424]

That's what got me. The MRs in CG are so high but they are not building new elementary or middle schools. And the schools that they are sending them to are not only older but farther away than the ones the neighboring Irvine houses are using.</blockquote>


You can take a look at this map here for the location of the new schools: <a href="http://www.tustinlegacy.com/article.cfm?id=45#">http://www.tustinlegacy.com/article.cfm?id=45#</a> When will they be built is another question.</blockquote>
As stated before in this thread, none of those planned schools are for Columbus Grove residents unless they redestrict CG to use Tustin Unified. The schools west of Jamoree are all TUSD.



The elementary school on that map on Harvard/Barrana did not happen. Instead it is an education center (Creekside?) that serves "troubled" individuals. I believe this is where the SELF school in Woodbridge off of Creek moved to.



So what are the high Mello Roos at CG paying for? Moffet Drive that was under construction for over 2 years?
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223599660]So what are the high Mello Roos at CG paying for? </blockquote>


Future toxic soil remediation and reserves against future claims arising from cancers and tumors related to proximinity to high voltage lines.
 
[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223601935][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223599660]So what are the high Mello Roos at CG paying for? </blockquote>


Future toxic soil remediation and reserves against future claims arising from cancers and tumors related to proximinity to high voltage lines.</blockquote>
. . . and you got the belly laugh for Thursday. :lol:
 
[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223601935][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223599660]So what are the high Mello Roos at CG paying for? </blockquote>


Future toxic soil remediation and reserves against future claims arising from cancers and tumors related to proximinity to high voltage lines.</blockquote>




Is it possible to keep this discussion out of the gutter? I took a long break from IHB forums because of these unintelligent types of posts. Some people want to have an actual discussion without childish factless retorts that just seem to sink many discussions.



Since starting to read this blog a year ago, and talking to friends and colleagues that actually want to buy a home. The opinion of these forums have gone from "factual, edgy, not what mainstream wants to hear" one year ago, all the way down to "silly and one sided, dominated by a few people that only like one or two neighborhoods".



Can we skip the stupid comments, and maybe actual homeowners from CG would jump on and give their opinion?
 
[quote author="Goofy" date=1223603068][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223601935][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223599660]So what are the high Mello Roos at CG paying for? </blockquote>


Future toxic soil remediation and reserves against future claims arising from cancers and tumors related to proximinity to high voltage lines.</blockquote>




Is it possible to keep this discussion out of the gutter? I took a long break from IHB forums because of these unintelligent types of posts. Some people want to have an actual discussion without childish factless retorts that just seem to sink many discussions.



Since starting to read this blog a year ago, and talking to friends and colleagues that actually want to buy a home. The opinion of these forums have gone from "factual, edgy, not what mainstream wants to hear" one year ago, all the way down to "silly and one sided, dominated by a few people that only like one or two neighborhoods".



Can we skip the stupid comments, and maybe actual homeowners from CG would jump on and give their opinion?</blockquote>


Nope, sorry, can't leave off the stupid comments. Many of us come here for more than just information. We appreciate the daily humor, entertainment, and comraderie, just as much as the relevant factual information. Maybe you should start up your own blog for people with no sense of humor?



And here's some reading material for you Goof - <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7460">Leukemia and power lines</a>. Hum, maybe the comments aren't so stupid after all?...
 
[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223603341][quote author="Goofy" date=1223603068][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223601935][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223599660]So what are the high Mello Roos at CG paying for? </blockquote>


Future toxic soil remediation and reserves against future claims arising from cancers and tumors related to proximinity to high voltage lines.</blockquote>




Is it possible to keep this discussion out of the gutter? I took a long break from IHB forums because of these unintelligent types of posts. Some people want to have an actual discussion without childish factless retorts that just seem to sink many discussions.



Since starting to read this blog a year ago, and talking to friends and colleagues that actually want to buy a home. The opinion of these forums have gone from "factual, edgy, not what mainstream wants to hear" one year ago, all the way down to "silly and one sided, dominated by a few people that only like one or two neighborhoods".



Can we skip the stupid comments, and maybe actual homeowners from CG would jump on and give their opinion?</blockquote>


Nope, sorry, can't leave off the stupid comments. Many of us come here for more than just information. We appreciate the daily humor, entertainment, and comraderie, just as much as the relevant factual information. Maybe you should start up your own blog for people with no sense of humor?



And here's some reading material for you Goof - <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7460">Leukemia and power lines</a>. Hum, maybe the comments aren't so stupid after all?...</blockquote>


Did you read that article all the way through or just copy and paste the headline for effect? The rest of the article goes on the debunk the sensational headline.



Oh, wait... was it a joke? If it was I didn't get, having no sense of humor and all.
 
Crack pipe?



[quote author="JLegend" date=1223206194][quote author="asianinvasian" date=1223195049]

What crack pipe are you smoking, they just built a BRAND NEW elementary school and a BRAND NEW park right ADJACENT to CG.</blockquote>


Probably the same pipe No_Vas uses.</blockquote>


Hey buddy, at least I can tell a park from a school!



Mrs. Vas and I had dinner on Saturday night with a couple we know. Both of them are water engeneers. One has done extensive work on the El Toro base. I told him about the VoC development, and how they'd handled the remdiation (move to another part of the site, bury, publicly state "this isn't hazardous". He got ashen white and told me that he'd sooner move to the base of a old and closed landfill than live in the VoC. BKS is right. It's that unsafe.



The place is a hazard to your family. Do you hate your family so much you'll put them in harms' way so you can pay $500 a month in Mello Roos and have the worst floorplans in the whole city?



About a week ago, I bought several hundred CD's from some guy who bought a VOC in 2005 (fifty cents a piece, in jewel cases). After I loaded them in my car, he was kind enough to let me photograph him and his dog playing in the front yard.



<img src="http://www.noodlebug.demon.co.uk/ar/pix/divedog2.jpg" alt="" />
 
[quote author="Goofy" date=1223603068][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223601935][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223599660]So what are the high Mello Roos at CG paying for? </blockquote>


Future toxic soil remediation and reserves against future claims arising from cancers and tumors related to proximinity to high voltage lines.</blockquote>




Is it possible to keep this discussion out of the gutter? I took a long break from IHB forums because of these unintelligent types of posts. Some people want to have an actual discussion without childish factless retorts that just seem to sink many discussions.



Since starting to read this blog a year ago, and talking to friends and colleagues that actually want to buy a home. The opinion of these forums have gone from "factual, edgy, not what mainstream wants to hear" one year ago, all the way down to "silly and one sided, dominated by a few people that only like one or two neighborhoods".



Can we skip the stupid comments, and maybe actual homeowners from CG would jump on and give their opinion?</blockquote>


nope, wrong forum... i gave up a long time ago to find usefull information here, but i keep swinging buy here for laughs and my own stupid and usless posts... any effort put in a post is a waste of time around here unless you think houses will sell $200k in the OC and that VoC are a shithole (and you MUST love woodbury (pref. live there too as a renter) to be accepted...)
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1223606458]Crack pipe?



[quote author="JLegend" date=1223206194][quote author="asianinvasian" date=1223195049]

What crack pipe are you smoking, they just built a BRAND NEW elementary school and a BRAND NEW park right ADJACENT to CG.</blockquote>


Probably the same pipe No_Vas uses.</blockquote>


Hey buddy, at least I can tell a park from a school!



Mrs. Vas and I had dinner on Saturday night with a couple we know. Both of them are water engeneers. One has done extensive work on the El Toro base. I told him about the VoC development, and how they'd handled the remdiation (move to another part of the site, bury, publicly state "this isn't hazardous". He got ashen white and told me that he'd sooner move to the base of a old and closed landfill than live in the VoC. BKS is right. It's that unsafe.



The place is a hazard to your family. Do you hate your family so much you'll put them in harms' way so you can pay $500 a month in Mello Roos and have the worst floorplans in the whole city?



About a week ago, I bought several hundred CD's from some guy who bought a VOC in 2005 (fifty cents a piece, in jewel cases). After I loaded them in my car, he was kind enough to let me photograph him and his dog playing in the front yard.



<img src="http://www.noodlebug.demon.co.uk/ar/pix/divedog2.jpg" alt="" /></blockquote>


is that dog scuba diving for real ?
 
[quote author="Goofy" date=1223605645]Did you read that article all the way through or just copy and paste the headline for effect? The rest of the article goes on the debunk the sensational headline.



Oh, wait... was it a joke? If it was I didn't get, having no sense of humor and all.</blockquote>


I read it, here's a summary of the study from another site:



"These researchers looked at the records of over 29,000 children between the ages of 0 and 14 years with cancer; including 9,700 with leukemia. They found that <strong>children who lived within 200 meters of high-voltage power lines had a 70% increased incidence of leukemia compared to individuals who lived more than 600 meters away.</strong> They also observed a 23% increased incidence in those living between 200 and 600 meters."



Personally, despite the lack of definitive and conclusive scientific evidence, I elect not to increase my children's risk of cancer by living in Columbus Grove. Enough studies have been done that have shown a material statistical correlation between EMF exposure and childhood leukemia for me. The toxic soil is just icing on the cake.



Enjoy your VoC home though... They are definitely cheaper but the medical bills might wipe out that difference down the line.
 
[quote author="Goofy" date=1223603068][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223601935][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1223599660]So what are the high Mello Roos at CG paying for? </blockquote>


Future toxic soil remediation and reserves against future claims arising from cancers and tumors related to proximinity to high voltage lines.</blockquote>




Is it possible to keep this discussion out of the gutter? I took a long break from IHB forums because of these unintelligent types of posts. Some people want to have an actual discussion without childish factless retorts that just seem to sink many discussions.



Since starting to read this blog a year ago, and talking to friends and colleagues that actually want to buy a home. The opinion of these forums have gone from "factual, edgy, not what mainstream wants to hear" one year ago, all the way down to "silly and one sided, dominated by a few people that only like one or two neighborhoods".



Can we skip the stupid comments, and maybe actual homeowners from CG would jump on and give their opinion?</blockquote>


With all the snarks, condescending, and negative comments here in IHB the senior members with over 1,000 posts don't get there being stupid. They are intelligent and knowledgeable about this housing trade. They have to defend their comments and gain the trust and respect of other members. Contributing new insight post after post is not an easy task.



None of the senior members is endorsing VOC and I hope you get the picture. I have not seen so far one intelligent posters demonstrated good knowledge of housing and technical skill endorsing VOC.



Defenders of VOC are mostly newbies with less than 20 posts not proven themselves that they are the experts in the field of housing. Their opinions lack rational. No senior members here will validate their bad decisions. my suggestion for the Village People is to find someone really intelligent to start a YMCA website.
 
[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1223609195][quote author="Goofy" date=1223605645]Did you read that article all the way through or just copy and paste the headline for effect? The rest of the article goes on the debunk the sensational headline.



Oh, wait... was it a joke? If it was I didn't get, having no sense of humor and all.</blockquote>


I read it, here's a summary of the study from another site:



"These researchers looked at the records of over 29,000 children between the ages of 0 and 14 years with cancer; including 9,700 with leukemia. They found that children who lived within 200 meters of high-voltage power lines had a 70% increased incidence of leukemia compared to individuals who lived more than 600 meters away. They also observed a 23% increased incidence in those living between 200 and 600 meters."



Personally, despite the lack of definitive and conclusive scientific evidence, I elect not to increase my children's risk of cancer by living in Columbus Grove. Enough studies have been done that have shown a material statistical correlation between EMF exposure and childhood leukemia for me. The toxic soil is just icing on the cake.



Enjoy your VoC home though... They are definitely cheaper but the medical bills might wipe out that difference down the line.</blockquote>


"To put these results in perspective, our study shows that about five of the 400 cases of childhood leukemia every year may be linked to power lines - which is about 1% of cases,? says Gerald Draper at Oxford University, who led the study. ?The condition is very rare and people living near power lines should have no cause for concern.?



The <em>head researcher</em> of this study is quoted as saying this in the paragraph following the one you quoted. It's only a 1% increase over the expected rate.



I'm sorry, but although I really like the discussion on IHB most of the time, this kind of sensationalist misquoting really irks me. Personally, yes, I'd rather not live next to high voltage lines either. Any extra percentage of developing leukemia is too much. But I gotta call you out on this one point. Goofy was right in that you probably didn't read that article.



Also, to rehash stuff from another thread (i.e. toxic/contaminated soil), if you look at that "toxic plume," it extends from the El Toro base, not the Tustin Marine base. And it extends through most of Irvine between the 5 and the 405, not just VOC. I would guess that, yes, there are probably soil contaminants from just being on base grounds, but more than likely where those hangars and runways are (or whereever they kept the <strong>weather balloons</strong>. Please flame me if they used to keep other planes or jets in those hangars.



Thanks.
 
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