Columbus Grove: why live there

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[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1221733499][quote author="IrvineRealtor" date=1221728269]Speaking of bung holes... welcome to the party, AZDave.</blockquote>


We know you're lurking AZ... We're got the welcome wagon all ready for you.</blockquote>


Shut up! Do not encourage him! You will turn skek's life upside down if you get him posting here.



BTW, at least you don't have moobs or a murse. I think Ten and I would have to dedicate an entire thread of making fun of you for that one. It proves that at least that part of the 909 carrying over isn't that bad.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1221739790][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1221733499][quote author="IrvineRealtor" date=1221728269]Speaking of bung holes... welcome to the party, AZDave.</blockquote>


We know you're lurking AZ... We're got the welcome wagon all ready for you.</blockquote>


Shut up! Do not encourage him! You will turn skek's life upside down if you get him posting here.



BTW, at least you don't have moobs or a murse. I think Ten and I would have to dedicate an entire thread of making fun of you for that one. It proves that at least that part of the 909 carrying over isn't that bad.</blockquote>


I don't even know what the hell a murse is... Is that like a Day Runner? I used to have one of those until the world became digital.



I think AZ's new nickname should be Bungholio. Suits him nicely.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1221723545][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1221723299][quote author="bkshopr" date=1221721840][quote author="pattie917" date=1221721210]While I was waiting to contribute something of true value for my first post,,, I have lived in Irvine many years,

am a glow in the dark fair skinned white and wouldn't be caught dead carrying a real designer purse in or

around South Coast Plaza. It's a pick pocket's dream. Love the Handbag 101 post. LMAO!</blockquote>


Welcome Pattie,



Cameras are everywhere is South Coast Plaza to minimize thieves. The best prevention is still your hand on the purse. Hope to see more of you. You do not have to contribute valuable writings. Some of the posters in this thread didn't. I like your avatar. It is the Hudson River by Upstate during the fall?</blockquote>


Hey Pattie. I have to agree with the venerable bk. I rarely contribute anything of value and still feel welcomed here.



Speaking of adding no value, I learned last night that the hole in a wine barrel is called a bung hole. Why hadn't anyone told me this yet?! Seems like something Graph should have apprised me of long ago...</blockquote>


I like this trivia. What about a hole in a public toilet partition?</blockquote>


That's a glorious question, I think it's called a "Larry Craig Hole." I like the Irvine Company's solution to this problem: I work in an Irvine Company owned building that has no partitions between the urinals in the mens' room. I recently bought a new home in Portola Springs. Frankly, I never even considered Columbus Grove because of the potential stigma. I used to own a Cal Pac 4 pack in Northpark and my Asian friends always said condesending things to me like "oh, that's in the Tustin school district, right?" For me, any home in Irvine that I would consider has to be in a TIC village in the Irvine school district. What do you call that device that uses a dropping heavy weight to drive pilings into the ground?
 
[quote author="High Gravity" date=1221777488]I used to own a Cal Pac 4 pack in Northpark and my Asian friends always said condesending things to me like "oh, that's in the Tustin school district, right?" For me, any home in Irvine that I would consider has to be in a TIC village in the Irvine school district. What do you call that device that uses a dropping heavy weight to drive pilings into the ground?</blockquote>


You should have said "Why yes it is the Tustin school district and our elementary school is a 933 API. How high did your school score?" Hicks/Pioneer/Beckman is just as good as any IUSD trifecta, maybe better, its a shame that more people don't realize that. Actually, with regards to Hicks and Pioneer, enough people realize it for them to be overcrowded I think...
 
[quote author="ipoplaya" date=1221779210][quote author="High Gravity" date=1221777488]I used to own a Cal Pac 4 pack in Northpark and my Asian friends always said condesending things to me like "oh, that's in the Tustin school district, right?" For me, any home in Irvine that I would consider has to be in a TIC village in the Irvine school district. What do you call that device that uses a dropping heavy weight to drive pilings into the ground?</blockquote>


You should have said "Why yes it is the Tustin school district and our elementary school is a 933 API. How high did your school score?" Hicks/Pioneer/Beckman is just as good as any IUSD trifecta, maybe better, its a shame that more people don't realize that. Actually, with regards to Hicks and Pioneer, enough people realize it for them to be overcrowded I think...</blockquote>


Hicks and Beckman didn't exist at the time I lived in Northpark (2001-2004). Back then, Northpark kids went to ghetto Tustin high.
 
[quote author="High Gravity" date=1221777488][quote author="bkshopr" date=1221723545][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1221723299][quote author="bkshopr" date=1221721840][quote author="pattie917" date=1221721210]While I was waiting to contribute something of true value for my first post,,, I have lived in Irvine many years,

am a glow in the dark fair skinned white and wouldn't be caught dead carrying a real designer purse in or

around South Coast Plaza. It's a pick pocket's dream. Love the Handbag 101 post. LMAO!</blockquote>


I like this trivia. What about a hole in a public toilet partition?</blockquote>


That's a glorious question, I think it's called a "Larry Craig Hole." I like the Irvine Company's solution to this problem: I work in an Irvine Company owned building that has no partitions between the urinals in the mens' room. I recently bought a new home in Portola Springs. Frankly, I never even considered Columbus Grove because of the potential stigma. I used to own a Cal Pac 4 pack in Northpark and my Asian friends always said condesending things to me like "oh, that's in the Tustin school district, right?" For me, any home in Irvine that I would consider has to be in a TIC village in the Irvine school district. What do you call that device that uses a dropping heavy weight to drive pilings into the ground?</blockquote>


It's now a "stigma" to live in Tustin? Come on, I think Columbus Grove is much better than your average Orange County neighborhood. I would be proud to live there.
 
I hate to tell you this but Portola springs has a bunch of stigmas of its own (the dump, too far out, fire dangers, etc.). I don't want to add another childish dog-pile topic to this thread, but unless you're at the top of the hill in Turtle Rock, you're going to have to deal with stigmas. Even Turtle Rock has the stigma of being a cheap alternative to Newport Beach (as heard from my Newport Beach friends) so you might not even be safe there.



Pick a place you love and live there. I used to live in Lake Forest so I know all about living in a beautiful neighborhood that has a huge stigma attached.
 
CG just as nice as WB huh? <a href="http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/74-Loganberry/64647915_zpid">This Portisol plan 2</a> in WB just closed for $770K, $395 per sf. Places in CG are selling for $100 LESS per sf than that...
 
[quote author="Goofy" date=1221786782]I hate to tell you this but Portola springs has a bunch of stigmas of its own (the dump, too far out, fire dangers, etc.). I don't want to add another childish dog-pile topic to this thread, but unless you're at the top of the hill in Turtle Rock, you're going to have to deal with stigmas. Even Turtle Rock has the stigma of being a cheap alternative to Newport Beach (as heard from my Newport Beach friends) so you might not even be safe there.



Pick a place you love and live there. I used to live in Lake Forest so I know all about living in a beautiful neighborhood that has a huge stigma attached.</blockquote>


I really enjoyed living in Northpark, those were the golden years of my life back when I was a bachelor with more time and money than I knew what do do with. Now I am the parent of a toddler so now I have neither time nor money. A job transfer took me to LA for a few years. If not for the job transfer which cased me to sell my Northpark house, I would probably still be living in Northpark. However, I believe that many Asians will not buy there because it is not IUSD, should you ever decide to sell. BTW, having kept up with Irvine RE while in LA from 2004 to 2008, I am well aware of Portola Spring's issues and they were taken into consideration in my decision. In fact, the disclosures I had to sign as part of the purchase contract includes all of the "stigmas" you mentioned and much, much more.
 
[quote author="High Gravity" date=1221789366][quote author="Goofy" date=1221786782]I hate to tell you this but Portola springs has a bunch of stigmas of its own (the dump, too far out, fire dangers, etc.). I don't want to add another childish dog-pile topic to this thread, but unless you're at the top of the hill in Turtle Rock, you're going to have to deal with stigmas. Even Turtle Rock has the stigma of being a cheap alternative to Newport Beach (as heard from my Newport Beach friends) so you might not even be safe there.



Pick a place you love and live there. I used to live in Lake Forest so I know all about living in a beautiful neighborhood that has a huge stigma attached.</blockquote>


I really enjoyed living in Northpark, those were the golden years of my life back when I was a bachelor with more time and money than I knew what do do with. Now I am the parent of a toddler so now I have neither time nor money. A job transfer took me to LA for a few years. If not for the job transfer which cased me to sell my Northpark house, I would probably still be living in Northpark. However, I believe that many Asians will not buy there because it is not IUSD, should you ever decide to sell. BTW, having kept up with Irvine RE while in LA from 2004 to 2008, I am well aware of Portola Spring's issues and they were taken into consideration in my decision. In fact, the disclosures I had to sign as part of the purchase contract includes all of the "stigmas" you mentioned and much, much more.</blockquote>


Hicks Canyon Elementary is 43% asian, 34% white, which are ethnic dynamics which are very similar to the most "asian" of the IUSD schools. The TUSD stigma is not keeping asians from buying in Northpark... On the other side of Culver, which is served by Canyon View in IUSD, it is more asian, but not by a material amount. Canyon View is about 50% asian I think.
 
I agree. Most people in this area are very well aware of how wealthy Tustin Ranch and North Tustin are. I think that people from outside of Orange County tend to migrate towards Irvine. For those of us who are already here, we are aware that Tustin is not a bad place. More importantly, there is this negative stigma that Irvine is a snobby place for boring people such as engineers, accountants, and Asians - whoa, that was pretty self-insulting. Personally, unless I have a full-sized family, I would not want to live in Irvine.
 
[quote author="no_vaseline" date=1221735761][quote author="bkshopr" date=1221713421][quote author="no_vaseline" date=1221656234][quote author="bkshopr" date=1221652571]Architects and engineers design site plans and roads with a top view perspective. Everything is clear from the top view when one could see the entire context like the key map that AsianInvasion posted.



It looks absolutely normal until one experiences the layout from the driver seat. When speed is fast a bend or the swerve could become fatal. Architects often design with aesthetic in mind thinking the meandering roads are prettier. Architects were not trained as traffic and road engineers. Perkowitz Ruth Architects who designed Legacy also designed Riverwalk in Fresno another nightmare with curving streets and mis-alignments.</blockquote>


You should see Riverwalk at Christmas. It's enough to make you want to switch to Judaism.</blockquote>


NoVas,



Are you from Fresno? You posted about the Decayed Downtown that never really recovered ? I am surprised to hear you know about that area. The area by Fig Garden you posted something about it as well. I am impressed. The migrant farmworkers in the area for the last 80 years in my opinion stumbled Fresno from reaching its potential. There are many mixed-use projects on the board. It is never too late to see a struggling city wanting to grow. Cal State Merced started just a little while ago and hope that will strenthen the education institution of our agricultural central valley.</blockquote>


Thank you for your kind words. You are very close. I'm from a small farming town between Fresno and Bakersfield. I did live there for several years.



Fresno has the worst city planning in the whole San Joaquin/Sacramento valley. The developers have come up with one plan for redevelopment after another without success, placating the city council as they plan the next urban sprawl monstrosity on the North side of town. Since the 1980s after Fulton Mall disintegrated in the matter of 7 or 8 years, there has been one redevelopment plan after another.



First, downtown got a Comedy Club and Club One Casino. Then they got the Fresno Grizzleys minor league baseball team. Then they got some mixed use development in a downtown high rise that used to be Guarantee Savings. Whatever. It will fail miserably. With the exception of Fig Garden, the only good neighborhood to live in Fresno is the newest one, and it's on the North side of town. It will be interesting to see what happens now that they have developed out to the river and can't 'sprawl it up' anymore. Where will the 'nice' neighborhoods be now? Fresno has never been an infill town. Nobody wants to move into those ?bad? neighborhoods.



The migrant farm worker didn't stunt Fresno (by comparison to the local surrounding towns). Fresno's problem is industry. Agriculture is a necessary evil when it comes to society (everybody likes to eat) but the jobs it creates are the lowest paying and brutally difficult to do. You may be aware of this study by Columbia University. My hometown voting district came in dead last in education opportunities, per capita income, life expectancy, and health care.



<a href="http://cup.columbia.edu/book/978-0-231-15494-9/the-measure-of-america">http://cup.columbia.edu/book/978-0-231-15494-9/the-measure-of-america</a>



This is a link to my "hometown" newspaper that made me aware of the Columbia University study. I grew up ten miles from town on a small family farm.



<a href="http://www.hanfordsentinel.com/articles/2008/07/29/news/doc488f5919d62b1072221873.txt">http://www.hanfordsentinel.com/articles/2008/07/29/news/doc488f5919d62b1072221873.txt</a>



They have tried for 40 years to get/retain non agriculture jobs. We had an oil refinery that closed. They had a tire plant that closed. They had some light manufacturing, none of which made it. It is a farming area, with it's second biggest industry being "Government Sanctioned Hospitality." Okay, CDC prisons.



The valley is littered with small towns that had vibrant communities in the 1950's and 1960's. I can think of one that as recently as 1978 had a bakery, three grocery stores, two tractor dealerships, five gas stations, a couple of hardware stores, a butcher, three restaurants, a doctor, a couple of cotton gins...........in a town with about 4,500 people. Today it has what is left of one tractor dealership (that will likely be defunct in the next 18 months), a single convenience store, and a ton of empty decaying storefronts waiting to fall down as they decay away. Unfortunately, it's not the only one that fits that description.



I don?t buy the argument what is lacking there is educational opportunities. IMO, the problem is opportunities of all kinds. There really is no ?there? there. All of my friends from high school left shortly after graduation, never to return. I slugged it out for another ten years, drinking the kool aid that education was the solution, driving 3 hours twice a week to do a MBA in the evenings.



It proved totally useless in the area. Advancement is made in that area by going to work somewhere and waiting for somebody to retire so you can replace them. Note the number of college grads in the survey, the lowest of anywhere in the US. This isn't because of lack of educational oppourtinities. Most of those college grads are K-12 schoolteachers.



I attended the graduation of my brother a couple of years ago from Fresno State. The keynote speakers' speach was on retaining the graduates of Fresno State in the local area, rather than lose them to the 'brain drain' of Norcal and Socal. It was thunderous. Everyone in the audience ignored it.



The ?solution? for me was when my wife applied to all the Civil Engineering programs in California, and was accepted to every one. None exist in the Valley. She chose Pomona. We left. I still have business interests in the area, and have mixed feelings on the issue.



So when I say that the Villages of Columbus is a shithole, trust me. I know what one looks like.



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BTW, not to pick nits, but Merced got a UC.</blockquote>


Oops thank you for the correction. UC Merced. Did your wife go to Cal Poly or Pomona College? Excellent post and thoughtful analysis. Most graduates can make more at big cities. Few actually stayed because lifestyle is horrible out there. I think better retails, businesses, and commerce along with a good master plan Fresno will retain some of its educated population. Cruz Bustamonte lives there right?
 
I met a parent from Newport Beach and the way this person talked, you can tell the Newport Beach people look down on Irvine. Eventhough, these people don't live in a nice Newport Beach neighborhood( such as the one that feeds into CDM high school), they live in the Newport Harbor District. I can tell you there are so many annoying problems in Irvine such as there are so many cars parking on the street, the spacing between houses are so close that I can hear my neighbor talking on the cellphone in the quiet morning. And the trains from Tustin are so noisy. When I leave my windows opened, I can hear all kind of noises from the train. At night, street racing also is the worse noise generator. So I think Irvine is over glorified on IHB. However, my family likes the convenience of living in Irvine. We are able to walk to shops and restaurants easily. Irvine is also close to all freeways( it's reverse commute for me). But Irvine is much more polluted than I remember it to be from 1980s.
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1221733732][quote author="flmgrip" date=1221732038][quote author="bkshopr" date=1221720649][quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1221720499][quote author="bkshopr" date=1221720002]

I also hope you know what LV is if you want to buy a home in Irvine.</blockquote>
Lou Verigno?

Lance Varmstrong?

Leonard Vimoy?</blockquote>


Do you really live in Irvine?</blockquote>


f... no, not even close. i thought you figured that out by now...</blockquote>
Huh? I don't? How come bk can bring up this "murse" and "moob" sillyness yet I can't wax sarcastic about what LV means?



EDIT: Wait... misquote confusaramus here... yes I do live in Irvine... flmgrip does not.</blockquote>


The privilege having a McMansion title.
 
[quote author="WestparkRenter" date=1221805271]So I think Irvine is over glorified on IHB.</blockquote>
I thought that was the purpose of IHB [insert smiley face icon thing here].
 
[quote author="WestparkRenter" date=1221805271]I met a parent from Newport Beach and the way this person talked, you can tell the Newport Beach people look down on Irvine. Eventhough, these people don't live in a nice Newport Beach neighborhood( such as the one that feeds into CDM high school), they live in the Newport Harbor District. I can tell you there are so many annoying problems in Irvine such as there are so many cars parking on the street, the spacing between houses are so close that I can hear my neighbor talking on the cellphone in the quiet morning. And the trains from Tustin are so noisy. When I leave my windows opened, I can hear all kind of noises from the train. At night, street racing also is the worse noise generator. So I think Irvine is over glorified on IHB. However, my family likes the convenience of living in Irvine. We are able to walk to shops and restaurants easily. Irvine is also close to all freeways( it's reversed commute for me). But Irvine is much more polluted than I remember it to be from 1980s.</blockquote>


Yes, my cousin unfortunately married a woman who made him work two jobs just so they can move from Irvine to Newport Beach. She openly admits that because she loves the fact that she can proudly tell others her NB zip code. :vampire:

My tennis partner rather rent in NB than buy a condo in Irvine because , of course, it sounds better. Some people....
 
[quote author="High Gravity" date=1221777488][quote author="bkshopr" date=1221723545][quote author="ipoplaya" date=1221723299][quote author="bkshopr" date=1221721840][quote author="pattie917" date=1221721210]While I was waiting to contribute something of true value for my first post,,, I have lived in Irvine many years,

am a glow in the dark fair skinned white and wouldn't be caught dead carrying a real designer purse in or

around South Coast Plaza. It's a pick pocket's dream. Love the Handbag 101 post. LMAO!</blockquote>


Welcome Pattie,



Cameras are everywhere is South Coast Plaza to minimize thieves. The best prevention is still your hand on the purse. Hope to see more of you. You do not have to contribute valuable writings. Some of the posters in this thread didn't. I like your avatar. It is the Hudson River by Upstate during the fall?</blockquote>


Hey Pattie. I have to agree with the venerable bk. I rarely contribute anything of value and still feel welcomed here.



Speaking of adding no value, I learned last night that the hole in a wine barrel is called a bung hole. Why hadn't anyone told me this yet?! Seems like something Graph should have apprised me of long ago...</blockquote>


I like this trivia. What about a hole in a public toilet partition?</blockquote>


That's a glorious question, I think it's called a "Larry Craig Hole." I like the Irvine Company's solution to this problem: I work in an Irvine Company owned building that has no partitions between the urinals in the mens' room. I recently bought a new home in Portola Springs. Frankly, I never even considered Columbus Grove because of the potential stigma. I used to own a Cal Pac 4 pack in Northpark and my Asian friends always said condesending things to me like "oh, that's in the Tustin school district, right?" For me, any home in Irvine that I would consider has to be in a TIC village in the Irvine school district. What do you call that device that uses a dropping heavy weight to drive pilings into the ground?</blockquote>


Good answer to the Gloryhole. Another useless trivia. You are right. Residents of San Simeon get pick on a lot because the kids attend Tustin District schools like Myford, Hicks Canyon, Pioneer and Beckman. Many of the residents sold their homes because of the comments from most people and especially Asians. Most Asians willl find a way to degrade you just so to elevate their standings. Read the book Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan. It is a facimile of Irvine.
 
Man... back when I was a kid, we had to worry about what color clothes we wore.... now you have to be from the right school district?



Orange County is so harsh, yo!
 
[quote author="irvine_home_owner" date=1221808246]Man... back when I was a kid, we had to worry about what color clothes we wore.... now you have to be from the right school district?



Orange County is so harsh, yo!</blockquote>


Word, don't be wearin' a red shirt when yous walkin' through a Crip hood.
 
[quote author="bkshopr" date=1221805180]



Oops thank you for the correction. UC Merced. Did your wife go to Cal Poly or Pomona College? Excellent post and thoughtful analysis. Most graduates can make more at big cities. Few actually stayed because lifestyle is horrible out there. I think better retails, businesses, and commerce along with a good master plan Fresno will retain some of its educated population. Cruz Bustamonte lives there right?</blockquote>


Cal Poly Pomona. Does Pomona College have an engeneering program?



I grew up there, the lifestyle never bothered me, mostly because I didn't know any better. What really bothered me was the lack of oppourtunity (which I was acutely aware of) and the really third world standard healthcare (which I wasn't). I formerly spent 200 days a year with flu like symptoms. Turns out it was alergies that were misdiagnosed.



Cruz is indeed from Fresno. I used to work with his dad. Both men are good people.
 
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