Bloodbath in Coto de Caza

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Just in case there are some sellers or potential sellers out there, the following is an example of the fact that the distressed market is the re market today. Many sellers and potential sellers are living in denial and excluding the distressed sales from comps when determining the "worth" of their castle.



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/30-Calle-De-Princesa-92679/home/5057849">30 Calle de Princesa</a> just had it's listing price lowered by $65,000 to $859,000. It is bank owned, with a starting listing price of $924,900 64 days ago, according to Redfin. To state the obvious, it did not sell for two months at $924,900, so the bank is lowering the asking. IMO, this is a nice home, rather large, on a huge lot, with a nice view of the golf course, and lots of room to construct a pool, currently asking $255 per sq ft. Before it went back to the bank, the owners were trying to sell for $1,099,000 in November of 2007. According to Redfin, the owners had purchased the property in March of 2005 for $1,263,000.



Around the corner on the next block, another home,



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/32-Alicante-92679/home/5057833">32 Alicante</a>, was purchased just a few months before 30 Calle de Princesa in January of 2005 for $1,460,000. Alicante is just a bit larger than Princesa and Alicante is on an especially huge lot. And the owners of Alicante "sunk" over $200,000 into a pool and landscaping into their backyard soon after they purchased. Alicante is more exposed to a busy street, Vista del Verde, and Princesa does not have such exposure. How much is all that worth? I dunno. I suppose it is subjective. Personally, I would rather have the $250,000 and put in my own pool and landscaping, and I really do not want to listen to the traffic on Vista del Verde. But, I digress.

Alicante was listed in Nov of 2008 for $1,490,000, taken off the market, relisted at $1,390,000, had the asking price lowered a couple more times and is presently listed at $1,290,000, or $373 per sq ft.

That is a difference of $430,100 or 50%.

One is bank owned.

The other is not.

Which do you think will sell first?
 
Wow. Three bedrooms for under $400,000 in Coto.



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/12-Niblick-Ln-92679/home/5667531">12 Niblick</a>
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1233268360]Many potential sellers are still in the denial stage of the real estate price downturn. I say "potential" seller, because at this price they are not a real seller.



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/24141-Fairway-Ln-92679/home/5057614">24141 Fairway</a> was listed for a year or more and taken off the market for a month or so. It is being brought back for the greatly anticipated spring buying season for the same delusional asking price it had last year.

A property three doors away, <a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/24121-Fairway-Ln-92679/home/5057605">24121 Fairway</a>, is listed at $590,000 or $304 per sq ft and is scheduled for auction today as it does not appear to have any offers at that price. Our featured property at 24141 is listed at $1,025,000 or $449 per sq ft.

I guess a seller can ask whatever they want, but what exactly is the point. It sure isn't to sell the property.

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Sometimes you are just moseying through foreclosures.com and something snatches at your eye. Usually it is an address. But every now and then it is a name.

The listing agent for over a year on 24141 Fairway with the absoultely stupid and ridiculous asking price is Frank Yusay. A Francis Yusay is shown as the "defendent" for a notice of default on a property on Centaurus Way in Coto. Frank Yusay's website says that he is in the "Top 3% of Prudential agents nationwide".
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1235517163][quote author="awgee" date=1233268360]Many potential sellers are still in the denial stage of the real estate price downturn. I say "potential" seller, because at this price they are not a real seller.



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/24141-Fairway-Ln-92679/home/5057614">24141 Fairway</a> was listed for a year or more and taken off the market for a month or so. It is being brought back for the greatly anticipated spring buying season for the same delusional asking price it had last year.

A property three doors away, <a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/24121-Fairway-Ln-92679/home/5057605">24121 Fairway</a>, is listed at $590,000 or $304 per sq ft and is scheduled for auction today as it does not appear to have any offers at that price. Our featured property at 24141 is listed at $1,025,000 or $449 per sq ft.

I guess a seller can ask whatever they want, but what exactly is the point. It sure isn't to sell the property.

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Sometimes you are just moseying through foreclosures.com and something snatches at your eye. Usually it is an address. But every now and then it is a name.

The listing agent for over a year on 24121 Fairway with the absoultely stupid and ridiculous asking price is Frank Yusay. A Francis Yusay is shown as the "defendent" for a notice of default on a property on Centaurus Way in Coto. Frank Yusay's website says that he is in the "Top 3% of Prudential agents nationwide".</blockquote>


I wonder how badly the 97% below him are doing...
 
[quote author="WINEX" date=1235517315] Frank Yusay's website says that he is in the "Top 3% of Prudential agents nationwide".</blockquote>


I wonder how badly the 97% below him are doing...</blockquote>


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Scheduled for today:



Wednesday

2/25/2009 12:00:00 PM Address: 7 LYRA WAY



City: COTO DE CAZA

State: CA

Zip: 92679

County: Orange

APN: 755-141-47

Sale Status: Postponed to 02/25/2009

(Beneficiary's Request)

TS Number: GM150307C

ASAP Number: 2923421

Notice of Sale Amt: $1,323,892.56

Opening Bid Amt: $550,523.20

Sold Amt: 0

Sale Location: At the North front entrance to the County Courthouse, 700 Civic Center Drive West, Santa Ana, CA.



Trustee: Executive Trustee Services, Inc.

Trustee Phone#: (818)260-1600





IMO, $550,523.20 would not be so bad for this one. I am guessing an entrepreneurial sort could flip it for $700,000.

According to Zillow, the last sale was on 12-28-2005 for $1,275,000.

Will you be there, Graphcakes? At $550k, I am tempted.
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1232803173]Foreclosed in March and listed in January?



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/3-Palomino-92679/home/5054658">3 Palomino</a>

Sold for $1,800,000 in 2005 and listed for $1,200,000 in 2009.</blockquote>


Lowered to $1,148,000 today. Ipo, you may have to forget about Irvine and move to Coto.
 
Wow, the lot size is over an acre, although from the photo it looks like much of it is on an incline and unusable.....



Tempting, although I still can't get over the weird vibe I get when I go through the Coto gates (maybe its the Real Housewives), and Coto really is pretty much in the middle of nowhere in my opinion. But maybe if prices drop another 30%........
 
[quote author="Chuck" date=1235614330]Wow, the lot size is over an acre, although from the photo it looks like much of it is on an incline and unusable.....



Tempting, although I still can't get over the weird vibe I get when I go through the Coto gates (maybe its the Real Housewives), and Coto really is pretty much in the middle of nowhere in my opinion. But maybe if prices drop another 30%........</blockquote>


Almost all of that lot is not buildable because the oak tress are protected. It is useable land, but not buildable. Owners build all sorts of stuff on their slopes, mostly horsie stuff.
 
[quote author="freedomCM" date=1235633645]what makes the oak trees protected? is this a coto specific thing?</blockquote>


I do not know about everyplace, but I do know that they are protected in Coto, Westlake, and Thousand Oaks.
 
Today was a good day to bump the Coto thread, because <a href="http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7-Lyra-Way-Trabuco-Canyon-CA-92679/25602127_zpid/">7 LYRA WAY</a> got bid up from $550k to $612k by an investor at the auction today. That is half off the 2005 price of $1.25mil, and less than half of $1.324mil that was owed on the place.
 
[quote author="graphrix" date=1235645644]Today was a good day to bump the Coto thread, because <a href="http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7-Lyra-Way-Trabuco-Canyon-CA-92679/25602127_zpid/">7 LYRA WAY</a> got bid up from $550k to $612k by an investor at the auction today. That is half off the 2005 price of $1.25mil, and less than half of $1.324mil that was owed on the place.</blockquote>


Do you know the investor? I was guessing a few posts above that if someone picked it up today, that they could flip it for $700,000 tomorrow.
 
Early 2003 prices in Coto?



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/26-Salinger-Ct-92679/home/5778798">26 Salinger Ct.</a> sold for $1,631,500 in 2004, now listed for $1,199,000



and

<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/9-Orion-Way-92679/home/5013410">9 Orion</a> sold for $1,550,000 in 2004, now listed for $1,290,000.
 
Too bad this one is not in Irvine, or IR could do one of his great write ups on refinancing, remodeling, and HELOCs.



The property,

<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/23081-Via-Celeste-92679/home/5056879">23081 Via Celeste</a>, is described as "Traditional Beauty" in it's listing, and I have to agree. The location of the pool in the front yard is a bit odd, but does not seem to detract immensely as there is plenty of privacy.

But, the sales history, along with the sales prices is what catches one's eye.



Date Event Price Appreciation Source

Mar 01, 2009 Price Changed $1,250,000 -- SoCalMLS #S559617

Feb 02, 2009 Price Changed $1,399,000 -- SoCalMLS #S559617

Jan 13, 2009 Listed $1,599,000 -- SoCalMLS #S559617

Sep 03, 1993 Sold $425,000 -10.7%/yr Public Records

Dec 28, 1992 Sold $459,000 -5.3%/yr Public Records

Jul 12, 1989 Sold $555,000 +18.4%/yr Public Records

Apr 15, 1988 Sold $450,000 -- Public Records



This home was built in 1986, sold for $425,000 in 1993, and is now a short sale, all according to Redfin. That must have been one heck of an extensive remodel. Redfin also shows the present listing as 48 days. It was listed in 2008 for maybe six months and did not sell.

Will the $1,250,000 short sale bait get any bids?
 
I am not fond of this tract and have not seen the inside of this property, but my guess is that this could be flipped at more than $175 per sq ft quickly, or $700,000.





Friday

3/6/2009 12:00:00 PM Address: 33 CRK VIEW RD



City: COTO DE CAZA

State: CA

Zip: 92679

County: Orange

APN: 778-171-04

Sale Status: Postponed to 03/06/2009 12:00 pm

(Bankruptcy)

TS Number: CA07112456NF

ASAP Number: 980485

Notice of Sale Amt: $390,201.08

Opening Bid Amt: 0

Sold Amt: 0

Sale Location: At the North front entrance to the County Courthouse, 700 Civic Center Drive West, Santa Ana, CA.



Trustee: Quality Loan Service Corporation

Trustee Phone#: (619)685-4800
 
And you thought flipping was DOA. Nope, just gone for amateurs. The pros are having a field day.



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/31991-Via-Gallo-92679/home/5055534">31991 Via Gallo</a> sold on 1/05/09 for $380,000, probably at auction or at the least a short sale. It sure looks a lot different, (better), than it did a couple of months ago. Is this a great country or what?



I have said it before and will say it again. The quickest way for home prices to stabilize is to expedite foreclosures quickly and in volume. Trying to slow down or avoid foreclosures will extend current problems and make them worse. Thank goodness for distressed asset buyers and professional flippers.





Any guesses on how much it goes for, and when?

My guess is two months and $572,000.
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1236086078]And you thought flipping was DOA. Nope, just gone for amateurs. The pros are having a field day.



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/31991-Via-Gallo-92679/home/5055534">31991 Via Gallo</a> sold on 1/05/09 for $380,000, probably at auction or at the least a short sale. It sure looks a lot different, (better), than it did a couple of months ago. Is this a great country or what?



I have said it before and will say it again. The quickest way for home prices to stabilize is to expedite foreclosures quickly and in volume. Trying to slow down or avoid foreclosures will extend current problems and make them worse. Thank goodness for distressed asset buyers and professional flippers.





Any guesses on how much it goes for, and when?

My guess is two months and $572,000.</blockquote>
Looks like they got in and out fast and did a great job. However, they do have one further lesson to learn....price it low enough that you'll created a bidding war. I don't understand why they are being greedy because it'll just result in the property sitting around and collecting dust. They also should have send a few bucks and staged the place too.
 
[quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1236090626][quote author="awgee" date=1236086078]And you thought flipping was DOA. Nope, just gone for amateurs. The pros are having a field day.



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/31991-Via-Gallo-92679/home/5055534">31991 Via Gallo</a> sold on 1/05/09 for $380,000, probably at auction or at the least a short sale. It sure looks a lot different, (better), than it did a couple of months ago. Is this a great country or what?



I have said it before and will say it again. The quickest way for home prices to stabilize is to expedite foreclosures quickly and in volume. Trying to slow down or avoid foreclosures will extend current problems and make them worse. Thank goodness for distressed asset buyers and professional flippers.





Any guesses on how much it goes for, and when?

My guess is two months and $572,000.</blockquote>
Looks like they got in and out fast and did a great job. However, they do have one further lesson to learn....price it low enough that you'll created a bidding war. I don't understand why they are being greedy because it'll just result in the property sitting around and collecting dust. They also should have send a few bucks and staged the place too.</blockquote>


Agree and agree
 
[quote author="awgee" date=1236117639][quote author="usctrojanman29" date=1236090626][quote author="awgee" date=1236086078]And you thought flipping was DOA. Nope, just gone for amateurs. The pros are having a field day.



<a href="http://www.redfin.com/CA/Coto-De-Caza/31991-Via-Gallo-92679/home/5055534">31991 Via Gallo</a> sold on 1/05/09 for $380,000, probably at auction or at the least a short sale. It sure looks a lot different, (better), than it did a couple of months ago. Is this a great country or what?



I have said it before and will say it again. The quickest way for home prices to stabilize is to expedite foreclosures quickly and in volume. Trying to slow down or avoid foreclosures will extend current problems and make them worse. Thank goodness for distressed asset buyers and professional flippers.





Any guesses on how much it goes for, and when?

My guess is two months and $572,000.</blockquote>
Looks like they got in and out fast and did a great job. However, they do have one further lesson to learn....price it low enough that you'll created a bidding war. I don't understand why they are being greedy because it'll just result in the property sitting around and collecting dust. They also should have send a few bucks and staged the place too.</blockquote>


Agree and agree</blockquote>
As my grandfather used to say..."the greedy always lose twice" (rough Polish translation)
 
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