Beacon Park

[bones]

actually i dont think bone's information is accurate.  for beachwood, there is one more phase after prospect.  They are located next to cloudbreak.  so if prospect phase has NOT sold out yet, then i dont think cloudbreak is sold out neither.

btw, one of the cloudbreak beachwood home has lot size 9200. 

I'm pretty sure every phase has been released. Remember, things can sell and ppl can back out so phasing isn't correlated to the order in which homes sell at this point.  The info is from the GP website so it's not MY information. I'm just regurgitating it.

P.s.  Final beachwood phase release was jan 24.

 

[eyephone]

Their phase 6-10 has smaller lot and i think it was 4800+ lot size and it very close to irvine blvd Ghost Crossing and i told them good luck.

Fixed.

I will be 0.1 mile closer 

and i have to watch out for all the road rage people... 

Ha - if your talking about that incident that was posted on TI, that was not road rage.

 

[gasman]

I actually really love sagewood home in phase 1-5 because they have 6000+ lot size.  however, they were gone really really fast. 

Their phase 6-10 has smaller lot and i think it was 4800+ lot size and it very close to irvine blvd and i told them good luck.

Yes, those early sagewood lots were a steal...priced way under market, and big lots.  Their side alley setbacks are almost a foot wider on either side also.  There are some decent lots on the later phases (8-10), but very few.  The Allium units have 5800sf lots, which is decent.  Most of the lots on Midori and Denim are 4800sf.

 

[bones]

I actually really love sagewood home in phase 1-5 because they have 6000+ lot size.  however, they were gone really really fast. 

Their phase 6-10 has smaller lot and i think it was 4800+ lot size and it very close to irvine blvd and i told them good luck.

Yes, those early sagewood lots were a steal...priced way under market, and big lots.  Their side alley setbacks are almost a foot wider on either side also.  There are some decent lots on the later phases (8-10), but very few.  The Allium units have 5800sf lots, which is decent.  Most of the lots on Midori and Denim are 4800sf.

Rosemists too. That's why I think there will be a lot more people lined up when BP finally opens. The early bird definitely got the worm at PP. So for those interested in BP, I would prequal for everything you are remotely interested in. Then sort it all out after.

 

[Irvine Dream]

I actually really love sagewood home in phase 1-5 because they have 6000+ lot size.  however, they were gone really really fast. 

Their phase 6-10 has smaller lot and i think it was 4800+ lot size and it very close to irvine blvd and i told them good luck.

Yes, those early sagewood lots were a steal...priced way under market, and big lots.  Their side alley setbacks are almost a foot wider on either side also.  There are some decent lots on the later phases (8-10), but very few.  The Allium units have 5800sf lots, which is decent.  Most of the lots on Midori and Denim are 4800sf.

Rosemists too. That's why I think there will be a lot more people lined up when BP finally opens. The early bird definitely got the worm at PP. So for those interested in BP, I would prequal for everything you are remotely interested in. Then sort it all out after.

But PP initial phases, specifically Rosemist Plan 3, was way underpriced in comparison to similar square feet houses.  But by the time they finished, the Rosemist Plan 3 was more expensive than some of the Harmony Plan 1 and Hawthorne plan Plan3.  The problem at BP, they probably can't start way lower in the initial phase, they have to start close to the final sale prices at PP.  In that case the houses may languish on the market lot longer and getting in on the first phase may not necessarily be that beneficial.

 

[bones]

I actually really love sagewood home in phase 1-5 because they have 6000+ lot size.  however, they were gone really really fast. 

Their phase 6-10 has smaller lot and i think it was 4800+ lot size and it very close to irvine blvd and i told them good luck.

Yes, those early sagewood lots were a steal...priced way under market, and big lots.  Their side alley setbacks are almost a foot wider on either side also.  There are some decent lots on the later phases (8-10), but very few.  The Allium units have 5800sf lots, which is decent.  Most of the lots on Midori and Denim are 4800sf.

Rosemists too. That's why I think there will be a lot more people lined up when BP finally opens. The early bird definitely got the worm at PP. So for those interested in BP, I would prequal for everything you are remotely interested in. Then sort it all out after.

But PP initial phases, specifically Rosemist Plan 3, was way underpriced in comparison to similar square feet houses.  But by the time they finished, the Rosemist Plan 3 was more expensive than some of the Harmony Plan 1 and Hawthorne plan Plan3.  The problem at BP, they probably can't start way lower in the initial phase, they have to start close to the final sale prices at PP.  In that case the houses may languish on the market lot longer and getting in on the first phase may not necessarily be that beneficial.

True. But you don't know that until after pricing is released. So why not prequal just in case. If you are interested, I definitely wouldn't take the wait and see approach. Plus even if pricing is "higher" than expected, you still get a good spot in line to choose a good lot. I don't see any downside in pre-qualing.

 

[jmoney74]

I actually really love sagewood home in phase 1-5 because they have 6000+ lot size.  however, they were gone really really fast. 

Their phase 6-10 has smaller lot and i think it was 4800+ lot size and it very close to irvine blvd and i told them good luck.

Yes, those early sagewood lots were a steal...priced way under market, and big lots.  Their side alley setbacks are almost a foot wider on either side also.  There are some decent lots on the later phases (8-10), but very few.  The Allium units have 5800sf lots, which is decent.  Most of the lots on Midori and Denim are 4800sf.

Rosemists too. That's why I think there will be a lot more people lined up when BP finally opens. The early bird definitely got the worm at PP. So for those interested in BP, I would prequal for everything you are remotely interested in. Then sort it all out after.

But PP initial phases, specifically Rosemist Plan 3, was way underpriced in comparison to similar square feet houses.  But by the time they finished, the Rosemist Plan 3 was more expensive than some of the Harmony Plan 1 and Hawthorne plan Plan3.  The problem at BP, they probably can't start way lower in the initial phase, they have to start close to the final sale prices at PP.  In that case the houses may languish on the market lot longer and getting in on the first phase may not necessarily be that beneficial.

True. But you don't know that until after pricing is released. So why not prequal just in case. If you are interested, I definitely wouldn't take the wait and see approach. Plus even if pricing is "higher" than expected, you still get a good spot in line to choose a good lot. I don't see any downside in pre-qualing.

Yup gotta prequal. Then you can get dibs on phase 1

 

[ChasingRainbows]

What are the environmental concerns at BP? Was this parcel of land part of the base?

 

[lnc]

Beacon Park's location which is on the north-west corner of great park are probably pretty safe since the worst problem area are on the south west corner.

What matter to BP the most is the contamination site 20 which use to be a "Hobby Shop" and the contamination doesn't looks too bad.

Attachment 2.  Webpage with basic information on the former El Toro Marine base

The Navy identified 25 sites on the El Toro base with chemical contamination of soil and water that included arsenic, benzene,  dioxin, TCE, chloroform, vinyl chloride, and other carcinogens, mutagens, neurotoxins, and developmental toxins.

Here's more detail image of Northwest quadrant.  Site 20 is located at where BP is going to be.

SITE 20: Hobby Shop

Soil contamination from used oil and solvents. A 600 gallon waste oil tank is located west of building 626 along with three 50 gallon storage drums for solvents inside the building. Chemicals detected at the site included VOCs, TPH, pesticides, PCBs, and metals above background levels.

According to this article, the southwest quadrant of the base is the most contaminated area.
EL TORO?S MOST TOXIC 200 ACRES

After TCE was banned from use, the chemicals continued to be used at El Toro. The official Navy and EPA reports state that TCE/PCE was discontinued in the mid-1970?s.  Don?t believe it.  Reports from Marine veterans on the base in the 1990?s note that TCE was such a good solvent that it continued to be used despite the official policy of nonuse.  Drums of TCE waste were buried to hide them from the Marine Corps Inspector General during on-site inspections.  This information was reported to the Navy but no  action was taken to locate and remove the rotting steel drums.

The Navy estimated that it would take 40 years to clean-up this environmental catastrophe.

 

[irvinehomeowner]

I would be more worried about the toxicity than the ectoplasicity.

 

[iacrenter]

Luckily for builders most buyers have short memories or don't care about toxins/environmental danger. Look at all these successful villages and their dangers: CV proximity to the 5, SG/PS proximity to the dump, and PP proximity to a former superfund site. BP's location on the former superfund will not hurt its sales.

 

[rkp]

Luckily for builders most buyers have short memories or don't care about toxins/environmental danger. Look at all these successful villages and their dangers: CV proximity to the 5, SG/PS proximity to the dump, and PP proximity to a former superfund site. BP's location on the former superfund will not hurt its sales.

agree...newport coast is next to former coyote canyon landfill and one ford road in newport beach is built on former aerospace plant...no one talks about the past anymore

 

[OC troll]

Luckily for builders most buyers have short memories or don't care about toxins/environmental danger. Look at all these successful villages and their dangers: CV proximity to the 5, SG/PS proximity to the dump, and PP proximity to a former superfund site. BP's location on the former superfund will not hurt its sales.

agree...newport coast is next to former coyote canyon landfill and one ford road in newport beach is built on former aerospace plant...no one talks about the past anymore

Is it worth it to live in Irvine and overlook overlook all this? I drank some of the koolaid

 

[rkp]

agree...newport coast is next to former coyote canyon landfill and one ford road in newport beach is built on former aerospace plant...no one talks about the past anymore

Is it worth it to live in Irvine and overlook overlook all this? I drank some of the koolaid

depends on risk tolerance and personal comfort.  if you are trying to justify the risk, then don't do.  you already see it as a risk.  otherwise, go for it.  others have noted that even areas that people consider clean were built on old farmlands that had decades of pesticides and all sorts of chemicals on them. 

 

[irvinehomeowner]

newport coast is next to former coyote canyon landfill and one ford road in newport beach is built on former aerospace plant...no one talks about the past anymore

But they are close to the beach.. Irvine is close to... uh... 99 Ranch? ATB?

 

[rkp]

newport coast is next to former coyote canyon landfill and one ford road in newport beach is built on former aerospace plant...no one talks about the past anymore

But they are close to the beach.. Irvine is close to... uh... 99 Ranch? ATB?

location will influence pricing but doesn't change my point that things are forgotten quickly.  when great park is fully built out, will people constantly talk about the military base and chemical risk or just see a really nice neighborhood?

 

[yaliu07]

there will be a new k-8 school.  named beacon park school.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/school-652960-park-board.html

 

[irvinehomeowner]

newport coast is next to former coyote canyon landfill and one ford road in newport beach is built on former aerospace plant...no one talks about the past anymore

But they are close to the beach.. Irvine is close to... uh... 99 Ranch? ATB?

location will influence pricing but doesn't change my point that things are forgotten quickly.  when great park is fully built out, will people constantly talk about the military base and chemical risk or just see a really nice neighborhood?

But there will always be ghosts hanging around reminding you.

 

[The Motor Court Company]

at built out, i think the topic will be traffic gridlock in rush hours.

newport coast is next to former coyote canyon landfill and one ford road in newport beach is built on former aerospace plant...no one talks about the past anymore

But they are close to the beach.. Irvine is close to... uh... 99 Ranch? ATB?

location will influence pricing but doesn't change my point that things are forgotten quickly.  when great park is fully built out, will people constantly talk about the military base and chemical risk or just see a really nice neighborhood?

 

[Irvinean]

I completely agree about the traffic congestion. I am pretty worried how the roundabouts are going to work. To be honest I think it is overall going to make it more congested and just keep a very slow/steady flow of traffic (especially during peak times). I am also assuming a majority of people in Beacon Park are going to have to use the 5 fwy to commute to work, which means they will be using Trabucco or Irvine Blvd. to get to Sand Canyon. I think the final result is WAY too many communities racing down Sand Canyon at once to get to the 5 fwy.

This is probably the biggest perk about living in CV, you can just jump in front of the the crowd on your commute to work or anywhere up north for that matter.