Beacon Park

[Perspective]

I believe for the uninformed buyer, BP will present 3 obstacles:

1).  High Mello
2).  (ex)Superfund site
3).  Cemetery disclosure

All 3 can be debated and defended, but to the folks left out of the know, will it be a TKO for their decision to buy?  PP also faced the same hurdles but had the best counter:  lower pricing. 

Will the K-8 school and unique elevations of the community be enough for people to buy?

Hey, those three crowd-out concern about proximity to the prison!

 

[Perspective]

Discount Orchard Hills to Beacon Park? This doesn't sound genuine nor reasonable. You don't just buy a house. You buy the neighborhood. So even if your house has no view in Orchard Hills, you VIEW the neighborhood every moment you leave and re-enter it. That might not be worth much to some people, but it's worth something to many, and a lot to some. Discount? No.

OH is a nice hood. It is cookie cutter like other TIC villages but still looks nice.  It is branded well since TIC told us 10 years ago it was supposed to be like the turtles of north irvine. But I don't like the location (too far out) and the amenities are just ok. You are buying a hood, and worst part is the weird tusd/iusd split. Part of a hood is kids being able to make friends with neighbors and going to different schools makes it harder to develop a strong community feel.

So unless I'm getting a view from my home, I would discount OH a few % to BP.

The school district split is silly, and it sucks that friends might attend different schools. But what exactly do you mean by "too far out"? From what? It's on Culver. Beacon Park is east of Sand Canyon!

BP has better access to Spectrum Center, 5 fwy, metro station and future GP amenities. I prioritize that over the stuff OH is near and suspect many others would as well.

I like what's planned for Beacon Park, but that doesn't mean as a Beacon Park fan I'd describe Orchard Hills as "too far out." Maybe someone interested in Turtle Rock, West Irvine, or even Woodbridge could describe Orchard Hills as "too far out;" but someone interested in Beacon Park? Nah.

 

[Bullsback]

I don't know what sold out or what didn't, but it was interesting how little had sold in the homes that were the 2700 - 3200 sq foot range at the presale events. When as much people are complaining about the prices, that can't bode as a good sign. Or maybe we are all wrong.  It was almost as if these builders had a mandate from Five Points to come in high. 

 

[Bullsback]

Discount Orchard Hills to Beacon Park? This doesn't sound genuine nor reasonable. You don't just buy a house. You buy the neighborhood. So even if your house has no view in Orchard Hills, you VIEW the neighborhood every moment you leave and re-enter it. That might not be worth much to some people, but it's worth something to many, and a lot to some. Discount? No.

OH is a nice hood. It is cookie cutter like other TIC villages but still looks nice.  It is branded well since TIC told us 10 years ago it was supposed to be like the turtles of north irvine. But I don't like the location (too far out) and the amenities are just ok. You are buying a hood, and worst part is the weird tusd/iusd split. Part of a hood is kids being able to make friends with neighbors and going to different schools makes it harder to develop a strong community feel.

So unless I'm getting a view from my home, I would discount OH a few % to BP.

The school district split is silly, and it sucks that friends might attend different schools. But what exactly do you mean by "too far out"? From what? It's on Culver. Beacon Park is east of Sand Canyon!

BP has better access to Spectrum Center, 5 fwy, metro station and future GP amenities. I prioritize that over the stuff OH is near and suspect many others would as well.

I like what's planned for Beacon Park, but that doesn't mean as a Beacon Park fan I'd describe Orchard Hills as "too far out." Maybe someone interested in Turtle Rock, West Irvine, or even Woodbridge could describe Orchard Hills as "too far out;" but someone interested in Beacon Park? Nah.

I compare Beacon with Cypress Village before I'd ever compare it with Orchard Hills, but that is just me. Beacon is a little nicer as it isn't quite so close to the freeway and obviously has a bit more luxurious homes (vs. Cypress which is a little more dense) but I'd still say location wise, etc, they are pretty comparable.  Or you might as well just compare it to Stonegate, which is pretty much right next to it. 

 

[aquabliss]

RE: Beacon Vs. Orchard Hills

As far as orchard views go, there's no denying that the surrounding environment of OH wins in this respect.  The tradeoff though is the space.  I was debating this (amongst myself) for quite some time and in the end I chose the community that would give me and my family the most space and the most privacy.

I have a 7ft side yard on one side of my house and a 9ft side yard on the other.  My adjacent neighbors have the same.  These extra few feet make a huge difference and I couldn't get that in OH even in Trevi. 

I had just moved from a TIC product and the main reason I wanted out was the lack of space and privacy.  I found that in Great Park and admittedly made some sacrifices in terms of common area's, pocket parks, meticulous landscaping, etc.

Looking back I think either choice would have been a good one but I made the right one for me and family and I suspect others would do the same after taking all factors into account. 

Asking whether OH is better than BP is like debating whether a sports car is "better" than an SUV?  For some yes, for others no - both will have unique reasons for wanting one product over the other and both will have completely valid points from their perspective.

 

[eyephone]

Greenwood > Beacon Park

Really? (In what way?)

 

[Perspective]

I'd  think Beacon Park would attract medical professionals considering its proximity to the Sand Canyon corridor where every Irvine doctor, dentist, etc. works. These are the folk who can afford to buy these homes too.

 

[Purple]

Has any of the builders at BP given disclosures on proximity to jail or cemetery or the land's prior use as a military base? I am curious to see how the spin is on these critical concerns.

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

Quality of life=Extra space between houses. Finally one person is listening after all these years.

RE: Beacon Vs. Orchard Hills

As far as orchard views go, there's no denying that the surrounding environment of OH wins in this respect.  The tradeoff though is the space.  I was debating this (amongst myself) for quite some time and in the end I chose the community that would give me and my family the most space and the most privacy.

I have a 7ft side yard on one side of my house and a 9ft side yard on the other.  My adjacent neighbors have the same.  These extra few feet make a huge difference and I couldn't get that in OH even in Trevi. 

I had just moved from a TIC product and the main reason I wanted out was the lack of space and privacy.  I found that in Great Park and admittedly made some sacrifices in terms of common area's, pocket parks, meticulous landscaping, etc.

Looking back I think either choice would have been a good one but I made the right one for me and family and I suspect others would do the same after taking all factors into account. 

Asking whether OH is better than BP is like debating whether a sports car is "better" than an SUV?  For some yes, for others no - both will have unique reasons for wanting one product over the other and both will have completely valid points from their perspective.

 

[Perspective]

Quality of life=Extra space between houses. Finally one person is listening after all these years.

RE: Beacon Vs. Orchard Hills

As far as orchard views go, there's no denying that the surrounding environment of OH wins in this respect.  The tradeoff though is the space.  I was debating this (amongst myself) for quite some time and in the end I chose the community that would give me and my family the most space and the most privacy.

I have a 7ft side yard on one side of my house and a 9ft side yard on the other.  My adjacent neighbors have the same.  These extra few feet make a huge difference and I couldn't get that in OH even in Trevi. 

I had just moved from a TIC product and the main reason I wanted out was the lack of space and privacy.  I found that in Great Park and admittedly made some sacrifices in terms of common area's, pocket parks, meticulous landscaping, etc.

Looking back I think either choice would have been a good one but I made the right one for me and family and I suspect others would do the same after taking all factors into account. 

Asking whether OH is better than BP is like debating whether a sports car is "better" than an SUV?  For some yes, for others no - both will have unique reasons for wanting one product over the other and both will have completely valid points from their perspective.

Hmm, I always thought the quality of my life had to do with more than just the space between houses. Good to know.

 

[Bullsback]

Has any of the builders at BP given disclosures on proximity to jail or cemetery or the land's prior use as a military base? I am curious to see how the spin is on these critical concerns.

Disclosure's don't spin. They will just list the billion things that are in the proximity of the location and need to be disclosed. You will see on their, a jail is X miles away and it is x security or something like that. Nothing more, nothing less. 

 

[AW]

It also depends if they're able to attract other large companies besides Broadcom, proximity to school and work will be worth it to enough people.  Most people hate traffic and it's only getting worse

 

[Bullsback]

Quality of life=Extra space between houses. Finally one person is listening after all these years.

RE: Beacon Vs. Orchard Hills

As far as orchard views go, there's no denying that the surrounding environment of OH wins in this respect.  The tradeoff though is the space.  I was debating this (amongst myself) for quite some time and in the end I chose the community that would give me and my family the most space and the most privacy.

I have a 7ft side yard on one side of my house and a 9ft side yard on the other.  My adjacent neighbors have the same.  These extra few feet make a huge difference and I couldn't get that in OH even in Trevi. 

I had just moved from a TIC product and the main reason I wanted out was the lack of space and privacy.  I found that in Great Park and admittedly made some sacrifices in terms of common area's, pocket parks, meticulous landscaping, etc.

Looking back I think either choice would have been a good one but I made the right one for me and family and I suspect others would do the same after taking all factors into account. 

Asking whether OH is better than BP is like debating whether a sports car is "better" than an SUV?  For some yes, for others no - both will have unique reasons for wanting one product over the other and both will have completely valid points from their perspective.

That spacing argument was a worthwhile proposition when you were talking about PP (price was below that of stonegate / OH) with the price made up with in higher mella roos (but you got the space).  I think the BP premium being charged is too much.  I am only one person but my wallet has said so much and I'm committed to a nice backyard in Stonegate (presuming the price doesn't sky-rocket to BP levels by the time it is officially available for me to buy). 

I would absolutely pay 30-50K more for some more space (4K lot to 5K or 5500 sq foot lot). And I also will say BP was really really nice. I still give it to TIC when it comes to amenties though. They just do more of it (more parks...more space) vs. BP with the 1 park / pool. That said, community looked beautiful and I was ready to write a check until base prices were above TIC projects with double the mella.  But again, I'm one person so I can only speak for myself. 

 

[irvinehomeshopper]

http://www.ocregister.com/lansner/park-677603-beacon-great.html

 

[AW]

So according to them, there are 2 PP houses left, or escrow hasn't close? 
Pic of Elwood, the runaway hit, how fitting.  Wonder how the rest of the sales did this past weekend

 

[DJW1705]

Greenwood > Beacon Park

Really? (In what way?)

Beacon Park is nice, don't get me wrong.  I just think overall that the prices are way too high.  We went to Torrey (Standard Pacific Homes) and to Juniper (Pulte) since those are the size homes we are interested in. 

Overall, here are our opinions:

Beacon Park > Greenwood:
1.  Amount of space.  This includes the entire community as well as the lot sizes.  Greenwood cannot compare at all here.
2.  Smaller HOA fees.  This is due primarily to #1 and the amount of homes they will be able to build, thus reducing the HOAs.
3.  Brand new K-8 school has already broken ground and will be ready for the 2016 school year.  Tustin Legacy hasn't even started on building any of their 3 new schools.

Greenwood > Beacon Park:
1.  Location.  I will take center of Orange County in between the two main highways (405 and 5) plus the 55 in a heartbeat.  Also, Greenwood is closer to the beach.  Beacon Park is too far out there.  That Sand Canyon/Woodbury shopping center sucks.  I will take the District and Marketplace.
2.  Price.  The amount of money they were asking for those Torrey homes was INSANE.  They added close to $500k to homes that, in my opinion, Standard Pacific did a better job on anyway in Greenwood.
3.  Kids playgrounds.  Splash park plus the big playground across the street that is opening in a week or so.

Again these are my opinions, but when I look to buy, I take into account 2 major things: Price and Location.  And for that, Greenwood wins. 

 

[jmoney74]

Has any of the builders at BP given disclosures on proximity to jail or cemetery or the land's prior use as a military base? I am curious to see how the spin is on these critical concerns.

Why do you even need to ask about the Jail.. it's there.. drive over there and see if  it bothers you.

I think the spin about the cemetery is that.. we don't know what the future holds for it.

 

[AW]

I guess we'll see soon enough to see how sales did this past weekend on GW vs BP

 

[jmoney74]

Greenwood > Beacon Park

Really? (In what way?)

Beacon Park is nice, don't get me wrong.  I just think overall that the prices are way too high.  We went to Torrey (Standard Pacific Homes) and to Juniper (Pulte) since those are the size homes we are interested in. 

Overall, here are our opinions:

Beacon Park > Greenwood:
1.  Amount of space.  This includes the entire community as well as the lot sizes.  Greenwood cannot compare at all here.
2.  Smaller HOA fees.  This is due primarily to #1 and the amount of homes they will be able to build, thus reducing the HOAs.
3.  Brand new K-8 school has already broken ground and will be ready for the 2016 school year.  Tustin Legacy hasn't even started on building any of their 3 new schools.

Greenwood > Beacon Park:
1.  Location.  I will take center of Orange County in between the two main highways (405 and 5) plus the 55 in a heartbeat.  Also, Greenwood is closer to the beach.  Beacon Park is too far out there.  That Sand Canyon/Woodbury shopping center sucks.  I will take the District and Marketplace.
2.  Price.  The amount of money they were asking for those Torrey homes was INSANE.  They added close to $500k to homes that, in my opinion, Standard Pacific did a better job on anyway in Greenwood.
3.  Kids playgrounds.  Splash park plus the big playground across the street that is opening in a week or so.

Again these are my opinions, but when I look to buy, I take into account 2 major things: Price and Location.  And for that, Greenwood wins.

Tustin > Irvine?  Enough said.

 

[DJW1705]

Greenwood > Beacon Park

Really? (In what way?)

Beacon Park is nice, don't get me wrong.  I just think overall that the prices are way too high.  We went to Torrey (Standard Pacific Homes) and to Juniper (Pulte) since those are the size homes we are interested in. 

Overall, here are our opinions:

Beacon Park > Greenwood:
1.  Amount of space.  This includes the entire community as well as the lot sizes.  Greenwood cannot compare at all here.
2.  Smaller HOA fees.  This is due primarily to #1 and the amount of homes they will be able to build, thus reducing the HOAs.
3.  Brand new K-8 school has already broken ground and will be ready for the 2016 school year.  Tustin Legacy hasn't even started on building any of their 3 new schools.

Greenwood > Beacon Park:
1.  Location.  I will take center of Orange County in between the two main highways (405 and 5) plus the 55 in a heartbeat.  Also, Greenwood is closer to the beach.  Beacon Park is too far out there.  That Sand Canyon/Woodbury shopping center sucks.  I will take the District and Marketplace.
2.  Price.  The amount of money they were asking for those Torrey homes was INSANE.  They added close to $500k to homes that, in my opinion, Standard Pacific did a better job on anyway in Greenwood.
3.  Kids playgrounds.  Splash park plus the big playground across the street that is opening in a week or so.

Again these are my opinions, but when I look to buy, I take into account 2 major things: Price and Location.  And for that, Greenwood wins.

Tustin > Irvine?  Enough said.

You guys are funny.  You do realize that on the other side of Jamoree is your beloved Irvine, right?  You make it seem like Greenwood is being built in the ghetto or something.