Average Income in Irvine

What do you think the average *real* income in Irvine is?

  • Less than $100k

    Votes: 8 14.5%
  • $100k

    Votes: 15 27.3%
  • $200k

    Votes: 26 47.3%
  • $300k

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • More than $300k

    Votes: 4 7.3%

  • Total voters
    55
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Bragging about children's success is the #1 conversation topic among parents.  When a son in law that could not provide for their daughter they lose face among their friends and relatives. They will never disclose the truth about gifting money to the daughter and son in law but the secret will torment them.
 
Absolutely wrong my friend. It is the other way around when the daughter is a doctor and her parents demand the moon.

so_scared said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
When Asian parents give money to the son to buy a house that is ok. If parents give money to the son-in-law that is a polite way to say to the son in law that their daughter did not marry well.

Starlight East said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
I don't think it is an Asian thing exclusively it could be a white guy who married an Asian girl. Gifting a large sum of down payment for a house purchase is more common in Asian culture.

Why didn't you tell me that 10 years ago? I would have married an Asian girl. And why would you not take the money?

Not true. There is a rule of thumb in certain asian societies that the girl should bring more wealth the more capable the husband is to "equalize" the marriage.

So for example, if you marry a doctor, you are supposed to bring several "keys."

These keys include
1) house
2) office
3) cash box
4) car

In fact, they use match makers to negotiate exactly what should be brought by the wife when the husband is highly credentialed and high potential earner.
 
MovingOnUp said:
so_scared said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
When Asian parents give money to the son to buy a house that is ok. If parents give money to the son-in-law that is a polite way to say to the son in law that their daughter did not marry well.

Starlight East said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
I don't think it is an Asian thing exclusively it could be a white guy who married an Asian girl. Gifting a large sum of down payment for a house purchase is more common in Asian culture.

Why didn't you tell me that 10 years ago? I would have married an Asian girl. And why would you not take the money?

Not true. There is a rule of thumb in certain asian societies that the girl should bring more wealth the more capable the husband is to "equalize" the marriage.

So for example, if you marry a doctor, you are supposed to bring several "keys."

These keys include
1) house
2) office
3) cash box
4) car

In fact, they use match makers to negotiate exactly what should be brought by the wife when the husband is highly credentialed and high potential earner.

What you're talking about is korean. I'm korean and my brother is a doctor, but my family would never expect anyone to really bring 4 keys unless the wife's family was balling out of control...talking minimum 10 million plus net worth. And the wife herself was a music/art major at an elite school and didn't have a job/career. That's when the 4 keys comes into play. Most korean americans don't follow this and if the girl comes from an average family, educated, goes to church, parents aren't dead or divorced, etc etc, it will do.

But more importantly, mike was no doctor nor do i think he was korean.

I don't know Mike from jack but so no comment...the point was that the Asian wife's family doesn't provide these things because the husband is a lackie per so many posters contention here...they provide it to equalize the life time value of what each brings to the marriage financially speaking.

Of course Americanized Asians have differing practices and priorities. But assuming that in-laws are always providing to make up for loser spouse ignores cultural differences which can/are in play.
 
irvinehomeshopper said:
Absolutely wrong my friend. It is the other way around when the daughter is a doctor and her parents demand the moon.

so_scared said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
When Asian parents give money to the son to buy a house that is ok. If parents give money to the son-in-law that is a polite way to say to the son in law that their daughter did not marry well.

Starlight East said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
I don't think it is an Asian thing exclusively it could be a white guy who married an Asian girl. Gifting a large sum of down payment for a house purchase is more common in Asian culture.

Why didn't you tell me that 10 years ago? I would have married an Asian girl. And why would you not take the money?

Not true. There is a rule of thumb in certain asian societies that the girl should bring more wealth the more capable the husband is to "equalize" the marriage.

So for example, if you marry a doctor, you are supposed to bring several "keys."

These keys include
1) house
2) office
3) cash box
4) car

In fact, they use match makers to negotiate exactly what should be brought by the wife when the husband is highly credentialed and high potential earner.

my designation of husband and wife are arbitrary. The point wasn't a sexist one. Having said that, if husband's family is wealthy enough to provide that kind of financial support, husband will most likely marry the prettiest girl vs. the one with MD!  :-*
 
What your talking about is when the relationship is arranged.

If mikes a Korean, a doctor, and his marriage was set up, then he has my apologies. And in instead spirit will put in a 1k bet with you that's not the case. Scurred?
 
traceimage said:
Wait...my Asian husband's parents are too poor to give us any money for anything...did I get ripped off here???
Not if you both love each other.

And since I assume it's lasted longer than 72 days... you're okay.
 
Patrick J. Star said:
irvinehomeshopper said:
Bragging about children's success is the #1 conversation topic among parents.  When a son in law that could not provide for their daughter they lose face among their friends and relatives. They will never disclose the truth about gifting money to the daughter and son in law but the secret will torment them.
So in summary, Mikeirvine was an inadequate loser bragging on an internet board to make up for other deficiencies.  And I should not lump all people from the Mainland into the Mikeirvine category --- and for that I apologize.  Stereotyping is not cool, I don't like it when people do it to me, and I should not do it to anyone else.
While I agree that MikeInIrvine liked to talk about his haves... he didn't make that whining remark until after BK kept railing into him.

Full disclosure for those unfamiliar with the actual events.

And let's be fair, you are consistently telling us and showing us how much better you are out of Irvine... is it any different? I feel a like whining loser whenever I hear about your 3CWG or see that lovely large backyard with the awesome elevation and view. :D
 
He is right when he is finally outside of a foul water fish bowl he finally could see how dirty the water was. Outside the fishbowl everything is Phoking Delicious.
 
irvinehomeowner said:
traceimage said:
Wait...my Asian husband's parents are too poor to give us any money for anything...did I get ripped off here???
Not if you both love each other.

And since I assume it's lasted longer than 72 days... you're okay.

Love, schmove...where are my four keys?

Just kidding.
 
He gave you his best key, the key to his heart.

traceimage said:
irvinehomeowner said:
traceimage said:
Wait...my Asian husband's parents are too poor to give us any money for anything...did I get ripped off here???
Not if you both love each other.

And since I assume it's lasted longer than 72 days... you're okay.

Love, schmove...where are my four keys?

Just kidding.
 
irvinehomeshopper said:
He gave you his best key, the key to his heart.

traceimage said:
irvinehomeowner said:
traceimage said:
Wait...my Asian husband's parents are too poor to give us any money for anything...did I get ripped off here???
Not if you both love each other.

And since I assume it's lasted longer than 72 days... you're okay.

Love, schmove...where are my four keys?

Just kidding.

Awww, that's really sweet...you almost melted my stone-cold iciness. :)
 
People seem to be really opinionated with regards to parental help.  Including another thread which infers that I'm a free-loader after my mom's pocket book.  Which is funny because my mom never has money (children give her money). 

Most of my family is close, and we all help each other.  My brother lived in my house rent free for 6 years.  I'm sure the people on the forum would berate him for doing so...  "I'd rather be homeless than live with my brother" or something like that.    Which makes no sense.  Nor does it make sense, that I let him stay at my house "so that I could control him" as some other comments would infer.    Sometimes, family helps family.  Why is that so hard to comprehend?  Maybe I'm unrealistic, because I'm trying to get most of our family (me, mother, brother) to stay in Irvine so that we can live close to each other for the foreseeable future.  It just happens to be a nice comfortable place to live, that's not to far from friends, work and other things that surround our lives.   

If someone marries into a rich family who cares?  Me, I just got my wife's grad loans, but it doesnt matter.  We are happy as pie (especially with our daughter).  But I don't and won't hate on others.  One of our friends just bought a $1mm home in La Crescenta thanks to wife's parents.  Who cares.  Good for him.  If he starts flaunting it, then I'll call him out.  But if he lives a happy life, and is a good husband and parent, more power to him. 

The idea of how much someone needs to make to afford a house is just too hard to figure out.  I think its a really interesting topic however, because it does point to underlying fundamentals that affects the market clearing prices for real estate.  Such fundamentals are exactly why housing prices are lower today.  Lack of leverage prevents certain buyers from purchasing, thus lowering demand.  I think a good summary of some people's points here is that absent private capital and other funding sources, demand SHOULD be down significantly leading to an adjustment in pricing.  However, some who are looking for 50% drops are ANNOYED that external factors such as family gifts and FCBs are affecting Irvine's pricing.  Instead of sticking to the same model and complaining that you are not explaining all factors and noise, why not add a few more variables into your regression?  Think outside the box.   

Others believe that our economy is continuing to deteriorate and that due to macro economic factors, house prices should continue to fall and that anybody who chooses to purchase now is doomed.  Sob debt issues will hurt the global economy, and the contagion will spread leading to a horrible global recession.    Fine.  People are free to have such opinions.    But given revised (but not perfect) lending standards, why do people assume that everyone that buys today will just become another non-performing borrower that will require additional gov't bailouts?  What is the support that we are heading for such a case?  For that reason, we think that the only people who should buy homes are those who save 50% down (but only on their own), and have monthly incomes that are 20x the monthly mortgage...  great, progressive thinking.  You should run for the white house...


 
akim997 said:
People seem to be really opinionated with regards to parental help.  Including another thread which infers that I'm a free-loader after my mom's pocket book.  Which is funny because my mom never has money (children give her money). 

If someone marries into a rich family who cares?  Me, I just got my wife's grad loans, but it doesnt matter.  We are happy as pie (especially with our daughter).  But I don't and won't hate on others.  One of our friends just bought a $1mm home in La Crescenta thanks to wife's parents.  Who cares.  Good for him.  If he starts flaunting it, then I'll call him out.  But if he lives a happy life, and is a good husband and parent, more power to him. 

And that's exactly our point for making fun of mikeirvine.

Based on my circle of friends and asians, here's my thoughts. Most of my friends come from families that are pretty well off. Half the group of friends are successful and don't take from their parents once they start working because...THEY DON'T HAVE TO.  The bottom half who don't have a career, well their parents usually buy them a place, buy them a nice car and provide an allowance when needed.  But the successful friends never hate on the group of friends who still bum from their parents. Why? Because we could easily ask for the same, but why would we when we can afford it ourselves? If you could afford it yourself, would you ask your mom and dad or even worse, your in-laws for help? So ain't no one hating that we don't have a rich mom or in-law, just hating when you come on a board to flaunt what rich in-laws of all things bought you. That's a clear sign of your own deficiencies. Make sense?
 
That makes sense.  People like that fall into the douchebag category.  I frequent some auto boards and people like that who flaunt the $100K car that "mommy and daddy" bought are easy and frequent targets of ridicule...  and they don't stick around very long...
 
akim997 said:
That makes sense.  People like that fall into the douchebag category.  I frequent some auto boards and people like that who flaunt the $100K car that "mommy and daddy" bought are easy and frequent targets of ridicule...  and they don't stick around very long...
6speedonline, huh?  ;)
 
Man, I wish I have rich parents to fall back on.  I grew up ghettolicious and had to learn to make do with what I had and work hard to rise up.  I am doing pretty well now but it does feel scary sometimes knowing the only parachute I have is the one I make.
 
davenlei said:
Man, I wish I have rich parents to fall back on.  I grew up ghettolicious and had to learn to make do with what I had and work hard to rise up.  I am doing pretty well now but it does feel scary sometimes knowing the only parachute I have is the one I make.
Me too, but I'm not gonna complain because my parents escaped a communist country primary to me give an opportunity to make something of myself.  I'm glad that I'm fortunate enough to have been in a position to have helped them financially over the past 10 years.  I'm an only child, so if I don't help them out nobody will.  Helping them out is my way of saying....thank you for busting your butts for me for all those years.
 
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